So then my dose will be 75mg? I just started 33mg EOD
Do you think every other day is unsafe? I just started doing EOD rather than twice a week. Honestly all this shit is so stressful everyone has a different opinion on so much stuff. I felt great after 2-3 weeks now i feel like shit. Guess i need to figure out what works for me as everyone says
Technically, your dose would be 87.5mg. To calculate your weekly dose on EOD, just use 2 weeks and divide by 2. So 25mg x 7 doses / 2 weeks = 87.5mg per week. Also note that most people inject E3.5D (and do great on it) and many will give you a hard time for injecting any more frequently than that. Injection frequency is a religious issue around here. If you’re great on 1xweek then do 1xweek. If E3.5D is awesome for you do E3.5D. If EOD or daily is best for you then do that. The best way to determine what you should start with is your SHBG. If it’s low, then more frequent will probably work best for you.
The reason you felt great for 2-3 weeks is that exogenous test builds up in your system. Test cyp has a half life of 8 days. That means part of your first injection 3 weeks ago is still in your system. Every injection will add to that amount until you reach the peak amount where the amount you are injecting is offset by the amount your body is using/excreting. Google “steroid calc” and punch in your numbers if you want to see a chart of your dosing. It takes roughly 6 weeks of injecting a dose to reach peak.
No of course it is not unsafe, just that chance of infection goes up, and it is also less convenient than once per week dosing.
I myself have been forced to extend my cruise for 6 more weeks (shipment of hcg seized, vacation etc) and now i am pinning 125mg all at once, once per week, due to the study i read about hematocrit. Also, i am a low aromatizer. But i am a fast excreter.
And this might not be optimal since enanthaye elimination half life is 4.5 days unlike cyp’s 8 days. So once per week might be good enough for cyp but now i am considering doing 90mg e5d…
In other words, consult with your doctor.
My SHBG was 26, what would you recommend with that level?
Our advice is only meant as a guide, I’ve been giving advice since 2017 and most of the time my advice leads to results, if frequent injections doesn’t work, then there are other health problems not being addressed.
If someone is prone to anxiety, TRT can be a challenge on any protocol.
I could no longer deal with once weekly injections.
For about a year, I would inject 100mg every Wednesday morning. Typically I felt great Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. It would begin waning on Sunday, and then Monday and Tuesday were miserable waiting just to get back to Wednesday morning. Not fun. Twice a week has been a game changer.
If you work clean and follow a strict shooting routine the chance of infection is not a huge concern. If you don’t, it will be a concern whether you inject once a week or three times a week.
Yes twice a week “doubles” your risk of infection but only in the same sense that going outside to your mailbox twice doubles your chances of getting attacked by a dog.
That’s on the low side of mid-range SHBG. If it were me I’d do either daily or EOD, but you might be just fine on E3.5D. My SHBG is 30 and I’m on daily.
Whatever protocol you end up going with you need to stick with it for 6 weeks. If you keep changing it too quickly you will never figure out what is causing your problems and it will be very difficult to ever have success on TRT.
The first thing to try if you’re having awful anxiety, heart racing, shortness of breath is to lower your dose. If your dose is too low you can always work back up slowly. For me, lowering my dose solved my anxiety, heart racing, shortness of breath in a few days.
Dude, if you inject cypionate/enanthate once a week you miss the half life of these compounds and you will have at least 2 days with low t levels. Doesn’t seem cool to me. Simple logic
So i did a little experiment where i let my test bottom out (7 days post 50mg shot). i am feeling terrible, constant panic attacks and feeling like a zombie.
and here we go. 2 hours post my shot i am starting to feel better.
Informative experiment but probably not a great idea. There are other hormones involved than T.
My anxiety increases even before my twice a week shot when it’s on time.
I wouldn’t mess around too much with your schedule. Maybe inject slightly less and just stick with it for at least four weeks.
You have induced estrogen dominance, testosterone is secreted and metabolized more quickly than estrogen, estrogen lingers for longer and must be excreted through the liver.
So your anxiety increases when test levels are the lowest?
I wanted to bust a myth that high test levels cause anxiety. It is something else.
The problem is that i am a low t to dht converter. I could maybe get some andractim gel but it is expensive.
Are you injecting IM or subq?
Previous to 3 weeks ago, I was doing IM injections twice a week (200mg total) and also 750ui hcg. I did this for about 6 months. I would have to take about .7mg/wk of AI to keep my estrogen down. I felt anxious often, no panic attacks but definitely anxious and felt like I was losing control sometimes especially in the morning. I never figured out exactly which of these was causing it but 3 weeks ago I figured I’d give subq a try and I’m really glad I did.
I didn’t change my overall dosages at all, but now I’m injecting subq 3 times a week using a 28 gauge insulin syringe into my abdominal fat. It’s so easy. Takes maybe 25 seconds to load the T and 5 seconds to load the hcg (I load into the same syringe to make it even easier).
My libido fell off for 3 or 4 days and I ended up giving myself a couple booster injections to get my T levels up faster since absorption in fat is much slower than muscle. After about a week all the benefits came back and started feelings so much more ‘even’ and after 3 weeks I really don’t notice any anxiety anymore. What’s even better is that I have cut out AI completely since I’m no longer getting spikes of T, the absorption is much more even and level using subq.
Anyway, my advice is to give subq a try. It might really level things out for you and cut your anxiety way down or eliminate it. It did for me.
Interesting, might try it. Currently injecting 90mg e5d IM (but it is a shallow IM with 5/8 slin pin intoa quad). I feel a lot better when i add a little masteron or proviron in the mix, i dont need ai with masteron, hwever it is not trt anymore and you can say that i am feeling better than i should (currently just using test e, no other drugs).
All i injected subq so far was hcg, never did that with oil. All i use are insulin syringes with 5/8" needles, not sure about the gauge, 25 or 27g. I exclusively go for my quads as of lately.
Do you reckon it would be a problem if i hit 2 spots sbq with the same needle, apart from a little bit more pain as the needle dulls after the first pin?
Say i pin 0.5ml. I penetrate one spot and leave 0.25 ml there. Then i pull out and proceed to the second spot for the remaining 0.25 ml. Provided that i swabbed both spots with alcohol.
I did do that with hcg on few occasions and had no adverse effects.
I did read a few studies on subq testosterone, mostly on transgenders and what caught my attention was that usually for the first 5 days levels were roughly the same, unlike with the IM which produces a spike roughly 24h post shot.
Oh and i just wanted to add this in. I feel for you guys who have/have had test levels below 200. My recent experiment reminded me that my natural t in the high 300s wasnt that bad hahaha.
Man after today’s injection as if someone switched on the lights. I just cant comprehend how shitty i felt for the last few days. Felt like crying, panic attacks, depression. And i dragged my a$$, as if i havent slept for 2 days. It is crazy, how important testosterone actually is for mental health. I wouldnt be able to function like that.
And i started feeling the injection after 2 hours.
Absolutely. I had gotten pretty well on top of my near lifelong anxiety problem. Then I got nailed by inexplicable anxiety for the couple years I was very low T.
On the shots my anxiety predictably comes back as I hit my trough. On twice a week, this may only be 6-24 hours worth, if any.
As far as anxiety with high T levels, that happens too. I have seen multiple complaints about it on this forum, and have experienced it for myself when I inject too much at once.
Incidentally, I get solid “relief” from my trough-induced anxiety within 2-3 hours of my injection (50mg, IM, twice weekly).
So i found this, it relates more to guys who use supraphysiological doses, but maybe dome of it can be used to explain some of our symptoms.
I do experience mood swings, i feel good, then i feel down, then i feel as if i am drunk (sort of derealization experience), then i feel panicky and anxious…
I stopped dostinex so it could be that i am going through dopamine agonist withdrawals, even though i took dostinex for only 2 weeks.
I am also recovering from crashed estrogen so that could be playing a part too
Other than that, i have no idea. Doc gave me prescription for helex (alprazolam), but i refuse to take it. I dont want to go thrpugh withdrawals i heard they are pure terror.
Basically they say that AAS deplete certain neurotransmitters and that there are basically 3 supplements that could help. B6, thyrosine and tryptophan.
Imho, the best cure for these mood swings, especially for anxiety and panic is to stay very busy, so that you do not have time to be with yourself.
edit: link deleted by mods. I would be inclined to believe that these mood swings i am going through are the beginnings of depression. Maybe because i spent 15 weeks on supraphysiological dose and now i am back to normal, maybe that is an explanation.
I can confirm benzo withdrawal is a hellish event, it’s what dropped my Test levels. In fact Clonazepam increases SHBG and testosterone, I’m guessing whatever mechanism increased it, when the medicine was withdrawn, Test levels dropped and stayed permanently low.
I’m on the same boat. The fact that everyone do different things on TRT is stressing me out. I’m doing 180mg of test divided in two doses, some people say is too much, others is not enough, others that I should take an AI, others say never take an AI, take HCG, don’t take HCG, others ED injections, EOD, twice a week, once a week…