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Can’t trust that. Give me more restrictions. I’m only comfortable when I’m being told how to be, and that I am, safe.
What if it’s after the election, Biden wins, and Barack tells you to?
After Biden wins I will still wait a while. I’m no anti-vaxxer (I’ve gotten the flu shot every year for over 30 years)but I will wait until trust has been restored to the CDC and FDA who were once very credible IMO. Not so much today. I’m thinking it will be about 2 years to have enough people take it to see the long term side effects.
This thread really did not fall out of relevance.
the latest talk here is that at least one variant could have a significantly higher mortality rate than around 2 or 3% that we have seen so far.
Good catch. I haven’t been paying attention to the mortality data on the new variant over there.
The data is really messy right now overall (as you might expect from a new virus and data collection and analysis not being standardized yet). The question will be - and I don’t know if there’s solid info on this yet - whether the observed increase in mortality with this new variant is due to it being spread more easily or actually being more deadly.
For instance, if it spreads more easily then observed mortality could be skewed high because we don’t know the total number of people who have it, or misreporting occurred etc. Basically a repeat of where we were months ago with the original virus in terms of incomplete data. As we get a more complete picture observed mortality may come down, which is completely normal for viruses. Or we could have a complete enough picture that we can tell that it is more deadly outright on a normalized basis.
Edit - there’s also a possibility I just thought of, and that is that some of the reported “reinfections” with covid might be due to this variant, just undiscovered because of lack of testing for the genetic strain.
the thing that is getting really worrisome is that the variants are starting to go around widely, and new ones all the time. I wonder if it will be nigh to impossible to drive Covid-19 into extinction in the wild.
At this point very possibly. I am hopeful that we have good vaccination results long term however.
This city in Canada is only so far from the border with the US, Detroit is right along the border. We have border restrictions, and I wonder if they will have to be extended.
My own first vaccination I cancelled because of some sore throat and dry cough, I am wondering if I should make it an extra imperative to get it SOON, I am I think recovered.
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My personal opinion is that it would be wise, because any increased protection from different non-standard variants of covid is welcome. Nobody is sure yet how effective The vaccines will be against the new variants, but I would hazard a reasonably educated guess better than nothing by a fair margin.
(Considering how many genetic variants there are, “non standard” is complete bollocks, but you know what I meant)
EDIT - I don’t have any data that says the new variants are extra deadly or anything, I just mean in the sense that being stuck on your butt for multiple weeks would be much worse.
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This story came to mind because it’s funny. I was once in a lab class and a girl sitting over next to me let out a load moan as a joke/also because she was tired. I looked at her in response and blurted out “my spidey senses are tingling”.
Que uproarious laughter from the class derailing the lesson for a solid five minutes.
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A strange choice of words. What do you mean?
Currently there is no evidence of higher death rate for the India variant(Note: No evidence doesn’t equal not true), but there’s pretty strong evidence that it’s a lot more transmissible
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Racist.
J/K
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I just have a bad feeling about it with regards to the efficacy of our current vaccines.
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I think it was mentioned here or in the What happened thread that we are likely going to need seasonal shots for it, much like influenza. I got that like a good boy in October, and at the time it was being suggested that it would lesson the severity of Covid-19.
I also have heard since then that we didn’t have an influenza wave, it seems strange and I am curious as to the scientific explanation.
With the speed in which it’s spreading and it’s ability to infect vaccinated individuals and make them contagious to others, I think it may render our current vaccines worthless when it comes to creating herd immunity. This is just a feeling from the limited amount of information I have atm.
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I get part of the booster shots and all. The UK scientists have even stated that our current vaccines haven’t been proven to be able to completely prevent people from getting infected, just limiting the severity of symptoms. But goal should still be to eventually eradicate the virus through enough people being immune, or at least reducing it’s contagiousness to the point where vaccinated people who have it can be easily quarantined without spreading it as easily.
What I think we’re seeing is the inability of our top minds to keep up with the mutations this virus can go through and the speed in which it can do so. India is just one country with a large population and poor standards of living which allow the virus to incubate and mutate more easily. There’re also countries like Indonesia and the African continent. A vaccinated individual from Vietnam is part of a new cluster over here although the virus strain and chain of causation are unclear.
To be perfectly honest without intending to scare anyone since I could be, and am likely, completely wrong, I’m smelling another lockdown here in the near future despite vaccines being rolled out at a pretty fast pace so I’m currently making plans in anticipation of it. The government here has already banned all travellers from India and Bangladesh from entry. This is how seriously they’re taking it.
Again, these are all just opinions since I’m not a scientist nor am I educated in anything related to this don’t take this too seriously, guys. I could easily be dead wrong. I’m just answering the question I was asked honestly.
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At least it shows Indians have a sense of humor lol. They’re calling it the “Indian strain” in their local news. All the Sikh jokes I’ve ever heard were gleefully told to me by Sikhs.
The news is scary (apparently there are multiple “Indian variants”) but there’s still evidence that the vaccines prevent severe disease so that good.
I mean there’s been a “coronavirus pandemic” for decades since the common cold is a type of coronavirus but since the disease is so mild, no one cares.
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I agree. My real fear is that governments are going to keep on disrupting normal activities even if new strains evolve to something as mild as the flu.
The most recent report from India claims a new strain is “up to 15x more contagious” than existing ones. The earliest ones were supposed to be up to “5 times more contagious than H1N1”. Even if this causes much milder symptoms, it’s still way more contagious than the flu and will naturally lead to a rising and immense death toll even if the mortality rate is the same as the flu.
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