Only, you aren’t being honest. The fact is, you would not prefer getting killed and having your family be defenseless over a curfew. You aren’t the Terminator.
And if you ever thought you once were, at 76 you realize just being pitifully frail is just around the corner.
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No, I would much rather encounter looters than have govt dictate when I’m “allowed” to be outside. Defenseless was never part of the equation.
I understand this can be hard for the European mind to understand.
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Oh yeah, like the Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal.
That was an unmitigated horror.
It really isnt.
Fight a trash panda over shiny trinkets and possibly lose your life, or leave them for the police to deal with.
If I’m sitting here minding my business on a sunday night, like I am now, and somebody decides to loot my house absent any natural disasters or reasons to evacuate, it will look like a Slayer song broke the 4th wall into my living room.
But if everythings wasted, my family is safe somewhere else, and I should be too?
Well, I will be too.
Theres principals and practicality. I’m more apt to lean on practicality now.
Especially after learning that the guy who said “Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!” died from being too full of his own shit. The Ultimate irony if ever there was.
I think leaving is a perfectly fine decision to make, as personal choice.
Why wait for an emergency…impose curfews permanently, it’s for the greater good
and, who determines an emergency?
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But you wouldn’t. You would rather die? No one believes you.
Njord really sounds American, Viking boy. Anyway, your attempts at triggering aside, civil disobedience and revolution aren’t exactly unknown in Europe.
The problem with rights is, expecting everyone to respect yours. Cars come with door locks for a reason.
No…just the government
While we are at it, seal everybody off from the world. We have the technology to deliver necessities now. I think we’ve already discussed remote work and zoom as well.
Absolutely zero reason to allow people to take risks in to their own hands if we can avoid it. Government regulation and enforcement of behavior modification is the only way. They know what’s best for me. For all of us. And should have absolute power. It’s safer that way.
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They should impose locking your car doors too…its the reason why they are there
I too live along the TX gulf coast, @Njord , and while I lean towards what you are saying regarding gov’t imposition and personal freedoms, I have to disagree with you regarding the curfew, specifically.
For example, say TX gulf coast gets absolutely clobbered by a hurricane/flood and the vast majority of peoples’ houses are flooded, streets are rivers, debris everywhere, etc. AND most people (including me) have left their homes and are sheltering elsewhere. Now, with myself and so many of my neighbors away, the looting rats WILL be out in droves, stealing and ransacking homes without question. THIS is why I would definitely support a curfew! Not being home and able to protect my possessions, I would WANT law enforcement patrolling and securing all of the devastated areas and would definitely sleep better knowing that nobody was allowed to roam around during the middle of the night.
If you think about it, even if I was able to get back into my house and clean up, remove debris, etc., with a devastating storm like that, chances are that there would be no power so at night I couldn’t really do anything anyway…It would be not only a hassle but dangerous trying to do those things at night by flashlight. And with a curfew in effect, the cops could pretty easily tell if someone was going through someone’s house by just seeing their flashlights bobbing around. (I would highly doubt most ordinary looters would be equipped with nightvision lol). So, I don’t agree with you on the curfew thing. I do however side with you that the gov’t should NOT be able to force you to leave your home but if you’re dumb enough to stay then don’t expect them to endanger their lives if you have a sudden medical emergency.
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When the president steals your car or stabs you, you might have a case.
For someone who hates extremes, you sure embrace them.
Can the government say you can stay but they’re taking your kids?
Do you lock yours?
Does the government require me to lock mine?
or is that only required after 6pm
He can steal my car, i will just take his (the beast)
100%. At will is the name of the game for me. And they’ve always given notice that “on your own” is exactly the scenario. They don’t abandon anyone. Warnings are given weeks out, timelines are communicated, evacuees are assisted et cetera.
My response here will be a little nitpicky, and focused on the specific scenario of a hurricane.
I am one of the dumbasses who stays. You’d be surprised who rides these storms out. As an aside, if I were directly on the ocean I would not. I can’t understand staying in a home at or below the projected surge height. But, I’ve always been further in. Specifically the Houston area.
During Ike I was living inside the 610 loop, in the area that floods all the time, hurricanes or not. Like jet skis cruising down highways and next the tops of submerged 18 wheelers. But it’s all managed and the deep water stays in channels, and roads designed to become channels in the event of a flood. Neighborhoods do see some flooding but they’re not 30 ft under water.
The damage you see are downed trees, flooding but manageable flooding, no power.
For Ike, my specific block did not have power for a month. Not sure how the grid worked, but it was hit and miss with different blocks coming online over days and weeks.
It was a pretty exciting experience for the first week. That’s how long it took for the 200 year old oak trees to be cleared. Life more or less resumed to normal after that as grocers, gas stations et cetera came online and supply chains were moving again. It was just really hot with no AC. We did plan with bottled water, canned goods et cetera, and the hurricane parties were fun. Neighbors who stayed were BBQing, hanging out, cleaning up et cetera. There were even neighborhood watches/patrols set up. Like armed. I don’t expect everyone to understand this.
Anyways, the whole curfew thing is a bit of a moot point at the worst of the hurricane. There are no patrols. They’ve already said they’re gone. They aren’t going to watch your property for you.
And it’s ridiculous for them to legally mandate you can’t be there, or can only be outside at certain times considering.
Sometimes looting occurs once everything is back online, before complete order is restored. This is where there can be a grey area. Same scenario. Govt might help you, they might not. They absolutely should not be telling you what you can or can’t do, and when, considering. And even in spite of. Government serves us, not the other way around.
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