Counter-Bulk With DNP

A while back, JoeyD20 and I discussed the topic of going on a quick (7-10 day) cycle of DNP as a means of countering the additional body-fat gained while on a regular non-ketogenic bulking diet. Basically, what most people here would consider the opposite of a “clean” diet in terms of the obvious macronutrient breakdown, thus leading to that unpleasant addition of 5-10lb of chub.

Having been on cycle for 9 weeks now, and intending to remain on cycle for an additional while in order to total 13 weeks, I decided to moderately decrease my caloric consumption to the equivalent of maintenance, which in my case is roughly 3,400 calories per day. For the duration of my cycle, however, my daily intake consisted of what would be described as “conservative” by some, meaning about 4,300; only 900 more than for maintenance.

The reasoning behind this is I have never been one to feel well eating such large amounts (hell, 3400 feels like more than enough already) as well as the fact that not because one consumes 2000 excess calories per day while on cycle means they’ll be constantly putting on 4.6lb of muscle per week. Quite the contrary.

I began Day 1 with a moderate 400mg per day, with an equal amount continued for days 2-4. On the 5th day, once I could feel my body temperature considerably higher to the point of discomfort, I cut down my carbohydrate consumption and replaced most of those calories with a 50/50 split of protein/fat. This, as some of you might know, alleviated me from a great deal of pain.

See, carbohydrate-heavy meals while on DNP directly lead to a drastic increase in body-heat while said carbs are being broken down and absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract. Because I knew things would go a bit smoother, I increased my dosage to 600mg for days 5-7 and then dropped back down to 400mg for my last (8th) day.

The results:

Roughly 6lb of fat lost as of a few hours ago, but will realistically be a bit above 7lb seeing as this is literally the end of Day 8. The estimated extra pound is for the duration it will take for the DNP to clear my body.

My AAS intake was roughly 750mg/week during all of this, and it certainly helped in not losing a bit of muscle mass, although a bit of strength was temporarily lost during the 600mg days. I will utilize the remaining weeks of my cycle to tighten up my diet and focus back on training.

I didn’t change things much while on DNP. What might shock some people is that I did not increase my water intake by much more than what I normally consume. I was curious to see what my body would feel like if I didn’t flush it with water, seeing as my first time around with DNP, I was taking in roughly 2 gallons of water per day. All that ever did was make me sweat and urinate like an animal. Surprisingly, taking in a bit less than 1 gallon per day was enough to keep me feeling healthy while not overly bloated due to the water excess.

Yes, I still felt uncomfortably hot in many instances.

Yes, my body fluids turned a yellow color.

Yes, my aerobic capacity has noticeably improved over the last week.

Some might wonder why on Earth I chose to cycle this DNP with roughly 4 weeks of cycle left, to which I answer: Because I can. Sure, there were smarter ways to go about this, but all of those “smarter” paths have been taken already and most people that have used DNP know about them. I wanted to shine light on a different approach to it, and my conclusion is that, so far, all is well!

Great info. Thanks for sharing.

It’s all about experimentation. We wouldn’t know 2% of what we do about these drugs if it wasn’t for someone experimenting with them.

Cycle is going well. I’ve gone up maybe 24lb so far, of which I’d estimate 16 of those I will be holding onto permanently. The rest are the remaining bit of water retention and fat I put on. I don’t worry much over 8 pounds, as it doesn’t take me very much time or effort to drop that much fat.

As far as what I’ve been on, it started with Bushy’s 3-weeker from a while back and I continued on with roughly 900mg/week of Test E to this point. So far, I’ve put on about 2 1/2 inches on my chest and back and, while I haven’t measured them, I would guess another inch or so on arms and the same for legs.

Of course, the true end-result won’t be visible until I cut back down to ~10%BF.

Contrl… thanks for the precious info,
can i ask you which %bf do you have?
I just want to understand the “power” of DNP…I want to try it and i would like to know if it is better to use it at higher bf or near the “targeted bf” :slight_smile:

i need to lose about 10-12lbs of pure fat… and i’m looking for all the weapons i can get :slight_smile:

Interesting choice with the DNP, sounds like it worked out well.

What are your goals for the final few weeks of your cycle, considering, if I understand correctly, that you’ll be eating maintenance calories?

My body-fat percentage hovered at about 10% prior to beginning this cycle. I didn’t concern myself much with what it was once I began bulking, but I’d say that at its peak (prior to the DNP), I was between 13%-15%, probably closer to the latter.

I’m now probably closer to the 13% mark, while my goals for the remainder of the cycle are to maintain the gains I acquired over the last 10 weeks while dropping back down to the original 10%. Nothing too drastic, just a gradual decrease of a couple of percentage points. This shouldn’t pose much of a problem, as my natural set-point is roughly 10%.

Nice going, Contrl. Now I know what’s up for next time. Unfortunately, even after looking high and low for a DNP source, I wasn’t able to get one. As a result, I couldn’t implement our little plan.

It’s great to hear that you hopped onto it though and that it worked. Hopefully, I’ll be able to try it out next time. I’m approaching the last week of my cycle and I just gotta bulk till the end I guess.

I am on my 4th run of DNP right now. One thing I’ve noticed is that your body becomes used to it the more times you use it. My first time I was running 250mg and felt hot. As of today I am on 1000mg. I still get hot very fast when I am in a warm environment, but otherwise I feel normal. The one thing I’m doing this time is staying very clean, and not going pretty low on the carbs. It will be interesting to see what happens. Some say you actually burn more fat when you consume a lot of carbs on DNP.

Well, your body begins to burn off those carbs as soon as you consume them, as they are sooner digested than the fats or protein in any given meal. I would contest that you would burn off residual fat at the same rate regardless of diet, but I’m sure the psychosomatic effect would make one feel that carb-heavy meals burn more fat.

I have some problem. No one of my usuall source want to deal with DNP… damn!

i want it! :stuck_out_tongue:

Interesting read. Have you found any other ariciles that would be a beneficial read on this compound?
Definately something I want to incorporate in the future as well. Im sure it can be found. Just havent had too much of a look for it yet.

No plans to take this - but what’s the legality of DNP? Seems like it would be not that hard to get from reputable suppliers because of its industrial/research uses.

EDIT - Better question, how is it regulated?

Honestly when I first read about DNP I was thinking one must be both suicidal and insane to try that - on par in my mind with insulin use (man I think that’s dangerously dumb!).

But the last few threads about it have left me in some form of awe. Losing 6-8 pounds of fat in a week is amazing!

Any long term effects known of? It cant possibly be that good for the body…

Personally, I would say DNP is better for you than the stimulant type fat burners that totally burn out your adrenal system.

What do you guys think of using DNP while not on AAS?

Can’t say I’m ready for any of this big boy stuff yet, but I do appreciate you guys giving your experiences with some of the more taboo subjects.

Nice write-up.

I have a DUH-question and a not-so-DUH question for Contrl.

Is the crystalline DNP much more expensive than the regular powdered version?

and

did you have to take any precautions in handling the caps bearing in mind the contents are explosive grade and potentially cause blindness if came in contact with eyes?

or did you just pop them in like JUJUBES?

I could not emphasize enough how much I would discourage anyone using DNP while not on AAS.

Think of it, if it almost entirely inhibits ATP production, you can only imagine how much catabolism it would cause.

I personally have used DNP while not on AAS, and in restrospect I honestly don’t even know why, as I had enough on hand to cover that issue. My curiosity led me to want to see what the effects would be without AAS, and I definitely lost a few pounds of LBM.

This is maybe my 5th go at DNP, but unlike Thomas Gabriel I don’t think I’ve ever taken it past 800mg/day and wouldn’t suggest anybody go above 400mg or 600mg a day for their first go-around. As he mentioned, one seems to get used to the side-effects with every cycle of it. This was definitely more tolerable than the first two times.

[quote]boroughbred wrote:
Nice write-up.

I have a DUH-question and a not-so-DUH question for Contrl.

Is the crystalline DNP much more expensive than the regular powdered version?

and

did you have to take any precautions in handling the caps bearing in mind the contents are explosive grade and potentially cause blindness if came in contact with eyes?

or did you just pop them in like JUJUBES?

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Well, DNP’s natural property is crystalline in nature, so to refer to it as a “powder” is pure semantics, much like grinding up sea salt (naturally crystalline) into a fine powder.

I did not take precautionary methods while handling it, as DNP itself is not an explosive substance in the least bit. That seems to be a misunderstanding: 2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP) is itself sometimes used as an agent in the making of explosives, but is not itself an explosive agent. Only when purposefully handling DNP with ammonia can you derive any of its explosive salts.

I’ve also never read any legitimate document claiming it can potentially cause blindness when in direct contact with the eyes, but rather that long-term exposure and/or usage of DNP has been linked to cataracts, yet even those studies seem ambiguous.

[quote]Contrl wrote:
I could not emphasize enough how much I would discourage anyone using DNP while not on AAS.
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Yup, I tried that too. It was the single worst thing I’ve ever done for my physique.