[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
LOL I do believe though, that bulking/the bulking attitude has created more fat people who are still fat, rather than muscular physiques like X and such.[/quote]
I think many of us have fallen into this “bulking” trap. I used to eat shittier and drink and justify it with “I’m bulking.” Granted, I was much stronger on some lifts than I am now, but for 20 extra lbs of fat, not that much stronger.
He brings up good points, but “bulking” is still a beneficial way to gain muscle within reason.
Yes mos def and he did say as much. But his message was to find a weight goal, meet it, and then come off the mountain.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Yes mos def and he did say as much. But his message was to find a weight goal, meet it, and then come off the mountain.[/quote]
That depends on how tall the mountain is.
I weighed 150 when I started. I weigh about 250 now. Good luck doing that being as restrictive as many are here.
Your body won’t just casually accept that much muscle gain if you are teaching it to be that conservative. The real problem is people ignoring the fact they are individuals and should adjust how they eat and train according to their own personal goals and results.
The guy looking to make a drastic change like that won’t ever get there if they are constantly “coming down off the mountain” before that mountain gets bigger than a mole hill.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
LOL I do believe though, that bulking/the bulking attitude has created more fat people who are still fat, rather than muscular physiques like X and such.[/quote]
The thing is, you can say the same about any of the people who try to get muscular. Very few will actually build themselves up to proportions that make people stop and stare. Your goal isn’t to look to the people that failed completely. It also isn’t to judge what someone’s work ethic is by how much fat they are carrying alone right now.
Simply put, of course there are people who turned “I’m bulking up to make the most gains possible” into “yaaay, more cake and and Chips Ahoy cookies!!! It’s a good thing I’m “bulking””.
That doesn’t give any support of anything just like the huge number of out of shape looking people in the gym lately don’t mean the gym doesn’t work.
Its more the sentiment posted on many message boards that the only way to get big if you are an untrained beginner is to drink a gallon of milk a day and turn into a fat, spotty, lactose intolerant mess.
Sure, getting fat when bulking is a necessity at a certain point and you will need to eat lots to put on muscle.
But you don’t need to get fat to be able to 1RM bench 225lb (the mistake I made), and other similar not that strong goals. Especially as newbs indiscriminately bulking installs psychologically an association between weight lifting and uncontrolled eating (something I see that is quite common).
If fat people were told ‘look better at your weight now’ I think they would progress better. Equally skinny people should be told to gain a stone/ half a stone and be at a better bodyfat than they are when they start.
In short, imo beginners should learn how to manipulate strength and body composition on a small scale before doing it on a large scale, as opposed to the much larger scale routines, coaches, and the internet sometimes suggests.
I do agree. Psycology has everything to do with it. Some people have mental insecurities when it comes to eating a lot to gain weight, when to stop eating, how much is too much and how their body looks. IMO