Costco Whey Protein

[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
jbodzin wrote:OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN NOT READ BECAUSE I HAVE SAID THAT I COMPAIRED THE AMINO ACID PROFILE AGAINST OTHER PROTEIN POWDERS PER WEIGHT.

THAT MEANS I COMPARED IT AGAINST A 35g SERVING SIZE.

In that case, you’re not compairing amino acid profiles at all, you’re comparing total AA content or protein content.

I realize saying this like “the Amino Acid profile is also very good” makes you sound more high tech to those that don’t know better, but it’s simply not the case here.

If you’re still confused, please research the meaning of “amino acid profile.”[/quote]

Ok fair enough, what is your definition of AA profile? Perhaps we are using the same term in diffrent ways.

My definintion is based on the label I provided above that says AA Profile and lists the Amino Acids and their quantites.

I think some of you guys are trying your best to rationalize the purchase of an okay (mid grade) protein source. If I was struggling and that’s what I could afford I would buy it.

However, if budget wasn’t a critical deficiency (fortunately it isn’t) and quality and taste were of paramount importance it’s Metabolic Drive all the way.

D

[quote]PGJ wrote:
I’m wondering why people still believe that:

expensive = better

less expensive = lower quality

Example: if I go to Payless Shoes and buy a pair of shoes for $20 that look and fit just like the brand name shoes at Nordstrom’s, and they last for several years, are they lower quality?
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The problem with your shoe argument is that damn near all shoes are made in China and are of pretty low quality to begin with.

A Cheavy Caviler is significantly cheaper than a BMW M5. Which is faster? Which will last longer? Which is put together better? Which will have hookers attack you if you drive it? I guess it depends on your definition of quality.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:
A Cheavy Caviler is significantly cheaper than a BMW M5. Which is faster? Which will last longer? Which is put together better? Which will have hookers attack you if you drive it? I guess it depends on your definition of quality.
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Hey now, I love my “90” Cavalier with almost 190 grand under her belt. When I get to work and park it next to one the accountant’s Jags I’m just as there as he is. Also, clearly you’ve never been to Detroit with the hooker comment :smiley: BTW, that is a great Rush tune dude.

–Tiribulus->

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
if budget wasn’t a critical deficiency (fortunately it isn’t) and quality and taste were of paramount importance
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if budget isn’t a consideration then you should be spending your money on real food like steak, chicken, fish, pork chops, etc…

protein powder is for convenience only, it is not a superior souce of protein to real food…

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
I think some of you guys are trying your best to rationalize the purchase of an okay (mid grade) protein source. If I was struggling and that’s what I could afford I would buy it.

However, if budget wasn’t a critical deficiency (fortunately it isn’t) and quality and taste were of paramount importance it’s Metabolic Drive all the way.

D [/quote]

That’s exactly what hasn’t been proven: that Metabolic Drive is a higher quality. If you’re buying it because it tastes better, that’s fine, but I don’t think the people in this thread who buy the cheapo brand care about the taste anyways.

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
I think some of you guys are trying your best to rationalize the purchase of an okay (mid grade) protein source. If I was struggling and that’s what I could afford I would buy it.

However, if budget wasn’t a critical deficiency (fortunately it isn’t) and quality and taste were of paramount importance it’s Metabolic Drive all the way.

D [/quote]

What does “OK (mid grade)” mean? Is taste the only thing that determines quality? If so, just go get some Slim-Fast shakes. They taste great. Why SPECIFICALLY is Metabolic Drive any better than the Costco or Sam’s Club protein?

It’s not so much trying to justify less expensive supplements, it’s that some of you guys feel and act superior because you pay top dollar. Isn’t that the way it is with most expensive things (cars, watches, clothes, country club, jewelry)? I think you guys are trying to rationalize your expensive supps by criticizing those who buy cheap.

I’ve asked several times for someone to explain specifically what makes a “quality” supp. So far all I’ve gotten is “it tastes better”.

Honestly guys… get over it. It’s obvious that we cannot convince you to buy more expensive protein since our views are not as economically superior as yours.

However, in the event that you do consider our thoughts, instead of just spouting off…

Oh and btw… your arguement that we are looking for reasons to justify paying a higher price works the same as you searching for every possible way to support your shit protein.

Let’s simplify it here…

When you have a leak in your house… do you call a general tradesman or do you call a plumber?

Who would you expect to do a better job?

When you need a knee replacement do you go to an Orthopaedic or do you go to a General Surgeon?

Do you go to a family practice physician for cancer or an onconologist.

The catch here, fellas, is specialty. I trust a brand whos entire business is around supplying a reputable protein product. Sam’s club could give a rats ass whether your protein is legitimate or not, the same reason they sell potato chips, lard, etc in the same store.

Also, superior ingredients, Metabolic Drive has no HFCS, they use Micellar Casein (a generous amount too), their carbohydrates are limited and thought out.

Look at Metabolic Drive Complete… how many companies care about the amount of healthy and useful fiber they put into their supplements?

A company like Sam’s club that outsources their protein is simply asking peopel for protein ingredients, putting it in a jar, and slapping a label on it.

A company like Biotest, or other reputable companies, get their supplies from many different resources to ensure they are getting the best ingredients.

I’ve never seen a group of men bastardize a concept as much as you have. You’ve completely spun the taste concept into your favor as if we are idiots. Taste IS a factor, if you are legitimately looking at taste.

I can make anything taste good and you are right in that regard that taste should not be an indicator. But given the ingredients AND the ability to make it taste good indicates a well thoughtout HIGH Quality product.

Take for example Vodka. It tastes like royal ass to most people. Now given that we have the same freaking ingredients, take potato vodka, there is a significance between Grey Goose and Smirnoff.

NOW… There is one fault in my logic and I will point this out before you guys use that as the escape route from my other points, as you seem to find the one fault and harp on it instead of recognizing the other points.

Both vodkas will do the job of getting you drunk. Correct. But, a higher quality vodka will have less hang over effect which can be the equivalent of the other SHIT you get with a bad protein powder.

If you have gas and bowel problems from a bad protein powder, some of which can go unnoticed, you will not be able to consume or digest the protein as well as without that problem.

There is a significance to the bioavailability of what goes down your tube, not just how much money you have spent at the end of the day.

Two apples may look the same but one comes with pesticides, you’ll still get all the other nutrients, it tastes good, one may cost less (organic vs. non-organic) but there are other, issues.

I’m tired of ranting now, I don’t expect even the most well sought out arguement to convince you guys to change your mind. I was just getting tired of your self-righteousness.

[quote]TriGWU wrote:
Honestly guys… get over it. It’s obvious that we cannot convince you to buy more expensive protein since our views are not as economically superior as yours.

However, in the event that you do consider our thoughts, instead of just spouting off…

Oh and btw… your arguement that we are looking for reasons to justify paying a higher price works the same as you searching for every possible way to support your shit protein.

Let’s simplify it here…

When you have a leak in your house… do you call a general tradesman or do you call a plumber?

Who would you expect to do a better job?

When you need a knee replacement do you go to an Orthopaedic or do you go to a General Surgeon?

Do you go to a family practice physician for cancer or an onconologist.

The catch here, fellas, is specialty. I trust a brand whos entire business is around supplying a reputable protein product. Sam’s club could give a rats ass whether your protein is legitimate or not, the same reason they sell potato chips, lard, etc in the same store.

Also, superior ingredients, Metabolic Drive has no HFCS, they use Micellar Casein (a generous amount too), their carbohydrates are limited and thought out.

Look at Metabolic Drive Complete… how many companies care about the amount of healthy and useful fiber they put into their supplements?

A company like Sam’s club that outsources their protein is simply asking peopel for protein ingredients, putting it in a jar, and slapping a label on it.

A company like Biotest, or other reputable companies, get their supplies from many different resources to ensure they are getting the best ingredients.

I’ve never seen a group of men bastardize a concept as much as you have. You’ve completely spun the taste concept into your favor as if we are idiots. Taste IS a factor, if you are legitimately looking at taste.

I can make anything taste good and you are right in that regard that taste should not be an indicator. But given the ingredients AND the ability to make it taste good indicates a well thoughtout HIGH Quality product.

Take for example Vodka. It tastes like royal ass to most people. Now given that we have the same freaking ingredients, take potato vodka, there is a significance between Grey Goose and Smirnoff.

NOW… There is one fault in my logic and I will point this out before you guys use that as the escape route from my other points, as you seem to find the one fault and harp on it instead of recognizing the other points.

Both vodkas will do the job of getting you drunk. Correct. But, a higher quality vodka will have less hang over effect which can be the equivalent of the other SHIT you get with a bad protein powder.

If you have gas and bowel problems from a bad protein powder, some of which can go unnoticed, you will not be able to consume or digest the protein as well as without that problem.

There is a significance to the bioavailability of what goes down your tube, not just how much money you have spent at the end of the day.

Two apples may look the same but one comes with pesticides, you’ll still get all the other nutrients, it tastes good, one may cost less (organic vs. non-organic) but there are other, issues.

I’m tired of ranting now, I don’t expect even the most well sought out arguement to convince you guys to change your mind. I was just getting tired of your self-righteousness.

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Look, doctors have certifications (proof) that they are specialists. They can show you SPECIFICALLY how they are more qualified than other medical practitioners. I’m sure even plumbers have to go to school and be certified. The supplement industry has no such regulation. You have to trust the company and their claims.

Who’s being self-righteous? Give me proof the a $50 jug of protein is better than a $20 jug. The “it’s more expensive so it MUST be better” argument is simple minded.

WOW! this is gittin kinda ugly huh? I have no doubt that all of Biotest’s supps are of the highest possible quality and am sure that you couldn’t buy better versions anywhere at any price. I base that somewhat subjectively on the “attitude” of this site. I just cannot believe from what I’ve seen here that it would be otherwise. They are also competively priced for this quality. None of that has anything, however, to do with the efficacy of anybody else’s products. For some for whom money is a real issue, and my family teeters on that threshold, other products are of sufficient usability so that the difference in cost is not justified.

How do you PROVE catagorically that one product is working and another is not without the most contolled labratory study in the history of the world? Assuming the store brands contain what the labels claim, and outfit’s like the big warehouse chains have alot to lose if they don’t, I’m not understanding the problem here. One product being undeniably first rate does not make any other product good or bad and grown up people have to consider all of their responsibilities when making purchasing decisions.

–Tiribulus->

[quote]PGJ wrote:
Give me proof the a $50 jug of protein is better than a $20 jug. The “it’s more expensive so it MUST be better” argument is simple minded.

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LOOK AT THE INGREDIENTS!

Whey Protein Concentrate and Soy Protein Conentrate

vs

Whey Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate, Micellar Caseine

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

I’m going to leave it at that since you seem to avoid everything else I said in the last novel I wrote you.

Not all PROTEIN is the same PROTEIN.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
WOW! this is gittin kinda ugly huh? I have no doubt that all of Biotest’s supps are of the highest possible quality and am sure that you couldn’t buy better versions anywhere at any price. I base that somewhat subjectively on the “attitude” of this site. I just cannot believe from what I’ve seen here that it would be otherwise. They are also competively priced for this quality. None of that has anything, however, to do with the efficacy of anybody else’s products. For some for whom money is a real issue, and my family teeters on that threshold, other products are of sufficient usability so that the difference in cost is not justified.

How do you PROVE catagorically that one product is working and another is not without the most contolled labratory study in the history of the world? Assuming the store brands contain what the labels claim, and outfit’s like the big warehouse chains have alot to lose if they don’t, I’m not understanding the problem here. One product being undeniably first rate does not make any other product good or bad and grown up people have to consider all of their responsibilities when making purchasing decisions.

–Tiribulus->[/quote]

I understand your arguement much better that PGJ’s arguement.

You atleast address the fact that one is a better quality product than the other. Funding is a separate issue, although I would argue that bang-for-the-buck ratio is still better on the higher quality protein, unless you really really can’t pinch the extra $15 bucks from somewhere else. That is all a personal priority call though and the right choice is the one the individual decides is best.

You’re only going to get anecdotal evidence on your own study but gastric distress can be pretty obvious or subtle. If your stomach is constantly distended that usually means you are building up some decent gas. I believe it was Barr that suggested you should then space out your protein more.

I’m not saying the other product is bad. I’m saying that Metabolic Drive is better. The other product can still be a good product, but then people take that and simplify the arguement.

After you get people to agree it is a “good” product on a Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, Excellent scale, people then debate the costs. Bullshit. You cannot compare the costs of a Good product vs. an Excellent product as if the are equals.

If you want to compare proteins for the better value look at all $5 dollar products.

Believe me I understand and respect the $ responsibility aspect, but that is an unfair pawn to throw into the equation when you are debating proteins.

Decide whether your priority is protein or family and then the debate would not be an issue. If its family then don’t debate about higher protein quality because its not your priority, you should be with a $5 protein jug. If your priority is protein than it shouldn’t be a question to purchase the better protein.

Debating that the $5 protein is better because it lets you prioritize money somewhere else puts me in a position to debate your family priorities which is non of my business.

We’re not out here to take money away from your family.

[quote]TriGWU wrote:
We’re not out here to take money away from your family.[/quote]

Speak for yourself…

[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I understand your arguement much better that PGJ’s arguement.

You at least address the fact that one is a better quality product than the other…

We’re not out here to take money away from your family.
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I’m not even saying whether one is better than the other though I suspect it is. To clarify we’re not comparing $5 dollar protein to top dollar protein were comparing $20 to $30 for the same amount. What some guys are doing, I assume, is saying if I can get 85 or 90% of the performance for 30% less money I’m ahead of the game and for many people that savings, especially over time, is significant.

It may be the choice between that and no supplements at all. I know what it’s like to have to re-use tin foil and only flush the toilet when “needed” because money is THAT tight. Been there.

I don’t know how I got into all this, but the bottom is this. For anyone who uses and appreciates this site I hope they would support it by getting their supplements here which are well worth the cost if they can afford it. For those who can’t, there are usable alternatives that won’t land you in a hospital or bring your gains to a grinding halt, again, assuming the accuracy of the labels.

I have had no bloating or any such issues with the quite significant amounts I’ve consumed so far, but since finding this site will pay the extra for Grow! when I run out. I’m sure it’s excellent, isn’t THAT much more expensive and because I can.

I don’t feel obligated, they’re the ones hosting this public site, but it’s been very helpful and I would like to support it while also receiving a useful product. BTW, who’s the “WE” that not’s not trying to take my family’s money? I’m missing something here.

–Tiribulus->

[quote]TriGWU wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Give me proof the a $50 jug of protein is better than a $20 jug. The “it’s more expensive so it MUST be better” argument is simple minded.

LOOK AT THE INGREDIENTS!

Whey Protein Concentrate and Soy Protein Conentrate

vs

Whey Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate, Micellar Caseine

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

I’m going to leave it at that since you seem to avoid everything else I said in the last novel I wrote you.

Not all PROTEIN is the same PROTEIN.

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OK, is there a direct correlation between isolates and muscle growth that does not exist with concentrates? WTF does all that scientific stuff mean to individual results?

It’s like the “organic” crap people pay extra money for. Organic fruit, veggies, granola, cereal, whatever. It’s a marketing ploy.

I’m in the middle of 6-Sigma training. If you don’t know what that is it’s a business system of identifying what customers want and expect. It’s all about the cost of quality and defects measured in parts per million. If you have a product to sell it is important to know exactly what your customers are looking for. To me, I’d like a protein powder that will help build muscle first, second it needs to be cheap, third it should taste good.

What does an expensive powder do that a cheaper doesn’t? I’m not talking about fancy ingredients, I’m talking about actual results. There is no way to actually prove that one is better than the other. I’m sure everyone knows a guy who uses a certain brand and swears by it and all that, but that doesn’t mean a thing to the general population.

This is getting really dumb. Buy the crap you like. Who cares how much it costs? It’s like the argument a while ago about expensive watches. If taste is your thing, find one that tastes good. If price is your primary concern, find the cheap stuff. Just be aware of marketing practices. Just because the packaging says that the product is “the best”, doesn’t meant that it is actually the highest quality product available. Marketing cost is built into the price.

protein powder (irregardless of cost) has beneficial uses, but it’s also highly over-rated…

all you people that think protein powder is some sort of miracle product need to pull your heads out of your asses…

this whole argument seems stupid to me, inexpensive whey, expensive whey, it’s like comparing a car that has a top speed of 100 mph with a car that has a top speed of 90, the difference is negligible…

you’re not going to see a 10% strength increase because you use a protein powder that costs ten dollars more than another brand…

[quote]DPH wrote:
protein powder (irregardless of cost) has beneficial uses, but it’s also highly over-rated…

all you people that think protein powder is some sort of miracle product need to pull your heads out of your asses…

this whole argument seems stupid to me, inexpensive whey, expensive whey, it’s like comparing a car that has a top speed of 100 mph with a car that has a top speed of 90, the difference is negligible…

you’re not going to see a 10% strength increase because you use a protein powder that costs ten dollars more than another brand…[/quote]

Right. Most real athletes don’t use protein powder anyways. You can see equal gains from eating whole food.

[quote]Leon Kennedy wrote:
Right. Most real athletes don’t use protein powder anyways. You can see equal gains from eating whole food.
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OH SHIT!!! , now you’ve done it. You went n implied that people here aren’t “real” athletes.

–Tiribulus->

[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
I think some of you guys are trying your best to rationalize the purchase of an okay (mid grade) protein source. If I was struggling and that’s what I could afford I would buy it.

However, if budget wasn’t a critical deficiency (fortunately it isn’t) and quality and taste were of paramount importance it’s Metabolic Drive all the way.

D

That’s exactly what hasn’t been proven: that Metabolic Drive is a higher quality. If you’re buying it because it tastes better, that’s fine, but I don’t think the people in this thread who buy the cheapo brand care about the taste anyways.[/quote]

Here’s my two cents about protein powder taste: it can’t taste bad.

I’m not willing to pay an extra seven bucks a pound for great taste. If I want great taste, I’ll go to Baja Fresh.

All I need out of a protein is that it not gag me when I drink it four or five times a day.