Coronavirus - What Happened?

[Californiagrown]

@SkyzykS

seeing a dude melt his eyelids together

Nope nope nope!

[SkyzykS]

Apparently. A dude was trying to weld overhead using 1/16th Dia. Flux core wire with the settings WAY too high which turn it into more of a volcano than a welding process.

So a bunch of molten slag and metal goes splattering into his welding hood, runs down his face, and a glob of it cratered into his eyelids on his one eye and caramelized the skin, melting his upper eyelid to the lower.

[loppar]

In Tanzania most of the local welders were constantly blind drunk on waragi (local moonshine) and had small craters on their hands and feet where the molten slag would drip.

I was very fortunate to have seen only one workplace death during my year there. Such a low number is apparently highly unusual.

[H_factor]

I’m being sincere with this but it doesn’t sound like you understand much about statistics or models. Especially the difficulty of modeling something that people don’t know much about and that is highly dependent on human behaviors.

It’s not about believing everything or everything being 100% accurate. Why would you throw out the recommendations for those reasons anyways? That doesn’t make much sense. Well no mask and no social distancing until hey get a man rep that’s 100% accurate for me. This is exactly why these things will end up needing mandated.

I don’t think any user here believes everything they read about the coronavirus. That would be stupid. You know what else is stupid? Believing nothing.

[SkyzykS]

@loppar

In Tanzania most of the local welders were constantly blind drunk on waragi (local moonshine) and had small craters on their hands and feet where the molten slag would drip.

Not a whole lot changes from one continent to another.

My one buddy used to come to work every day so high on Xanax that he would choke on his own spit every few minutes.

[Aragorn]

@everybodygetsone

What amazes me about all of this, is that the lot of you (save for a few), blindly follow EVERYTHING the government tells you.

Not at all. If you had bothered to be on this board for more than a fleeting second you’d realize that.

We’re just not selfish fucking assholes.

@everybodygetsone

“Fauci suggests 200K more deaths by October!”

We’re at 137,000+ today. We’ve got 10 weeks to make 200k, and it might happen. Not exactly what I would pick on if I was a conspiracy theory nut.

@everybodygetsone

when Fauci, the CDC, the WHO, release news models, predictions, and suggestions almost by the DAY…does that not, I don’t know, concern you?

No. Because I can read and understand the goddamned science. Perks of being, you know, a FUCKING SCIENTIST.

@everybodygetsone

World renowned health organizations with billions upon billions of dollars cannot even remotely settle on one model?

That would stupid. But you don’t know that because you have no goddamned clue about how science actually works.

[Aragorn]

@dcb

The reason that there is variability in the different models is that the groups of people who are creating them are using slightly different data sets, weighting specific data sets differently, etc. Aragorn has a post upthread about models and their shortcomings

Excellent post. I think it’s early on in this thread, but if not it’s in the “Expert adjacent” covid thread.

Unfortunately I’m not going to seriously engage that guy and waste my time with things he won’t read or understand.

@dcb

One of the biggest reasons they change often is that states have often changed their reopening status, mask guidelines/mandates, etc. We know that these actions affect behavior, rate of new infections, etc, so the model predictions change

Ditto. Models are built with the parameters AT THAT TIME, not with future policy (because, guess what? It hasn’t been developed or passed yet). Not to mention data is usually scarce at the beginning, and becomes more robust and understandable as the situation progresses.

@dcb

every time a state, county, big city changes its strategy, the models change accordingly based on the best information we have available now.
If you take a look at the link you’ll notice that 16 different groups have come up with different models and most are remarkably similar. So right now I’m not bogged down thinking about whether or not any specific model is 100% correct

Ditto. Only a moron thinks a model has to be 100% correct to be useful.

@dcb

the way the press reports on them. Rarely have I seen the press explain models and how to absorb what they predict. Usually it’s a sensational report

Yes. One of my biggest gripes about the damage to the credibility of science is the way the press reports it without context and with the most sensational headlines possible.

Outstanding post top to bottom.

@thefourthruffian

FWIW, apparently the Texas Tech guy was no dumbass to use HCQ ASAP with us:

I think some of my posts have been taking as being anti-HCQ, but I’m really not. Most of those posts are in response to headlines or comments made about the drug being a miracle worker.

@loppar

In Tanzania most of the local welders were constantly blind drunk on waragi

Which is not half bad if you get a decent maker. I’ll still take my whiskey, but when in Rome…

[dt79]

@dcb

The irony here is that while you bitch and moan about big government, one necessary precondition for an effective small government is a populace that takes responsibility for itself. You want a small government that’s not in your business? That’s great! Me too. Which is why I’ve always supported conservative candidates in every election, up until the last one.

It’s what I tell people where I live everyday.

[dt79]

@loppar

@everybodygetsone

I reject Covid and Fauci.

The virus is apparently upset.

Also, I do hope your planning on rejecting all other medical treatments, ever. The hospitals are filled with mask wearing globalist doctors.

Inside Man

“Det. Bill Mitchell : This is bullshit, man. I mean, we’re the only ones left trying to catch the bad guys and they’re gonna come after us like that? Tell you what, every one of your accusers, man, I say we go after 'em all, Keith - Michael Corleone style - ‘Michael Corleone, do you renounce Satan? Yes, I renounce him. Ptshusshh! Ptshusshh!’”

Couldn’t find the clip lol.

[Aragorn]

Just in case there was any doubt, infants can get the virus.

85 children under age 2 tested positive for coronavirus in 1 Texas county, as...

Too small a sample size but looks like hospitalization rate is ~1/10 in the group.

[punnyguy]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Relevant?:

Among the samples collected without a face mask, we found that the majority of participants with influenza virus and coronavirus infection did not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols, whereas for rhinovirus we detected virus in aerosols in 19 of 34 (56%) participants (compared to 4 of 10 (40%) for coronavirus and 8 of 23 (35%) for influenza). For those who did shed virus in respiratory droplets and aerosols, viral load in both tended to be low (Fig. 1). Given the high collection efficiency of the G-II (ref. 19) and given that each exhaled breath collection was conducted for 30 min, this might imply that prolonged close contact would be required for transmission to occur, even if transmission was primarily via aerosols, as has been described for rhinovirus colds2

For emphasis:

For those who did shed virus in respiratory droplets and aerosols, viral load in both tended to be low (Fig. 1)

add: had to get this from Fox news, I’m sure CNN and MSNBC will have this shortly…

further add: this is probably more relevant, since we all know that any chance of “murdering” someone is too high -

each exhaled breath collection was conducted for 30 min, this might imply that prolonged close contact would be required for transmission to occur

[chris_ottawa]

@Aragorn

looks like hospitalization rate is ~1/10 in the group.

How do you figure that? They didn’t give any actual numbers all it said is:

Fewer than 10 of the infants have been hospitalized

I don’t think anyone with half a brain ever argued that infants can’t get the virus, it’s just that kids are much less likely to be symptomatic and have very mild symptoms if any in most cases.

[chris_ottawa]

In other news, Toronto mayor John Tory wants bar and restaurant patrons to wear masks. How exactly is that supposed to work? Masks with a built in feeding tube?

[SkyzykS]

@punnyguy

further add: this is probably more relevant, since we all know that any chance of “murdering” someone is too high -

Interesting. If the amounts measured in these tests was very low but people are still getting/transmitting it, how low is the threshold to contract it?

I’m sure there is some variability person to person, but we’re exposed to pathogens all the time that just never take. They get all boogered up in mucous or our bodies otherwise dispose of them. It’s only when there is enough exposure that something takes off.

Either its very very low or we are woefully deluded about the sheer volumes of fluids that we exchange with strangers and through casual contact.

[lucasmon]

Suppositories.

[SkyzykS]

I saw a lady on the internet trying to do that with a cucumber. She was trying and trying. Shoving and yelling and going crazy trying to make it work.

It didn’t. Eventually she got tired and just gave up. It must have been exhausting.

[chris_ottawa]

@lucasmon

Suppositories.

The “new normal”?

With drinks it would technically be an enema.

[lucasmon]

@chris_ottawa

With drinks it would technically be an enema.

Not if it is frozen.

[dcb]

@lucasmon

Suppositories.

I pity the wait staff.

[punnyguy]

@SkyzykS

Interesting. If the amounts measured in these tests was very low but people are still getting/transmitting it, how low is the threshold to contract it?

I’m just puzzled by the obsession with the whole mask thing (outdoors, all the time, etc.;
not in crowded, bunched up situations obviously).

Wearing a mask has always been #4 on the list of how not to contract/spread a virus. (probably getting moved up now, of course…lol) But most would never know that from the “intensity” of the discussion.