Coronavirus - What Happened?

[hardartery]

@everybodygetsone

EVERY employee is essential. If a business didn’t have it’s employees, it would fail.

Having been both an employee and an employer, I can tell you that no part of this statement is true.

[anon50325502]

@H_factor

Apparently more people have died from this in the US than the entire Vietnam war. That was surprising to me, but mainly because I thought the Vietnam war death total was higher than I originally would have said off the top of my head.

I’ve heard this too, I thought Vietnam deaths were like 250k?

[everybodygetsone]

They cook the books on numbers. Anybody that dies now, especially in NYC, is labeled as a casualty of coronavirus. More government bullshit.

[Californiagrown]

Seeing as how you think the govt has done a bad job handling all of this, I assume you won’t be voting trump in November?

[everybodygetsone]

I’ll vote libertarian, however, I support Trump on how he has handled this.

[anon50325502]

@thunderbolt23

And - AND - you don’t see businesses sharing this anti-government attitude. Every business I know of, large and small, is asking for government intervention of some kind to help with this emergency. Are all these businesses de facto socialists or statists ? Of course not.

@Aragorn

I’d wager to say none of them are. We all want the ability to follow our own destiny. That’s different from recognizing that there are certain things the government is explicitly directed to do and that we would really like to have done (namely, provide for the public welfare and keep pandemics at Bay)

Businesses are asking for monetary intervention because the very same government has made it impossible for them to make money. Their choice is a) beg for money or b) close their business.

I guarantee a lot / most of them would rather just carry on with their business than sit on the phone with BBT begging for some crumbs.

[anon50325502]

We’re now starting to find out that in a lot of places a significant if not a majority of deaths are occurring in nursing homes. It’s about 50% of the deaths in MD. It looks like it’s 55% in CT. What are the chances this is true for most states?

[thunderbolt23]

@anon50325502

Their choice is a) beg for money or b) close their business.

They’d be asking for it even if governments hadn’t shuttered businesses as a preventive measure. If they hadn’t, the virus would have spread rapidly - and in that kind of environment, consumers would have slowed down/quit spending regardless of government action. Which would have meant massive lost business, layoffs, etc., requiring a financial bailout.

So, businesses were going to need assistance independent of what actions the government took.

[SkyzykS]

@everybodygetsone

They cook the books on numbers.

Yeah.
So,

@SkyzykS

How does this affect You that it doesn’t affect Everybody Else too?

I’m just going to keep riding you on these things.

[anon50325502]

@thunderbolt23

They’d be asking for it even if governments hadn’t shuttered businesses as a preventive measure.

The government has only shuttered some businesses.

@thunderbolt23

If they hadn’t, the virus would have spread rapidly

You’re operating under the assumption that it didn’t spread rapidly already/anyway. Data is coming out supporting the notion that this is a bad assumption.

@thunderbolt23

and in that kind of environment, consumers would have slowed down/quit spending regardless of government action.

Certainly not to the point of having zero customers as they do now and many of them can’t get government assistance because Nancy et al can’t be bothered to make a trip to DC to get it done.

@thunderbolt23

Which would have meant massive lost business, layoffs, etc., requiring a financial bailout.

Maybe.

@thunderbolt23

So, businesses were going to need assistance independent of what actions the government took.

Maybe.

[Legalsteel]

@Mufasa

This isn’t talked about nearly enough, when a “key?” to the overall pathogenicty of the virus may be found in our youngest citizens.

My microbio and virologist friend had some theories about this actually. Let me ask them and get back to you.

[Legalsteel]

Also, off topic, but anyone in college who wants to make friends that are smart should join their college science fiction group. All the genius weirdos gravitate to it like flies to shit.

[lucasmon]

Is it not pretty much that they are young and healthy with strong immune systems?

What is not talked about enough besides the elderly is that most people are fat and unhealthy with underlying issues.

[Legalsteel]

@lucasmon

Is it not pretty much that they are young and healthy with strong immune systems?

That’s the strange thing about it. Usually diseases like this harm the elderly and the very young. The distribution tends to be more U shaped. The very young being seemingly unaffected by it is not something you’d usually expect to see.

[dchris]

I heard yesterday that they haven’t found a case of children transmitting the disease either. Anyone heard this?

[Legalsteel]

@dchris

Anyone heard this?

I have heard it, but I’m not sure how much credence to lend it at present tbh.

[Legalsteel]

@Mufasa

This isn’t talked about nearly enough, when a “key?” to the overall pathogenicty of the virus may be found in our youngest citizens.

Ok, so I’ll transcribe his response now:

“it was down to them not having a robust immune response which meant they wouldn’t suffer from cytokine storms. It turns out we might be wrong. We’re starting to see cases of Kawasaki syndrome in kids. That’s most likely a cytokine storm related symptom. We just don’t fully know what’s going on yet.”

Me " aren’t the young ones usually appearing robust, also is Kawasaki syndrome a severe ailment"

Him: “Robust immune response is generally seen in people between the ages of 14 and 60, and yes, Kawasaki syndrome is very serious.”

Me “Is it coming up commonly.”

Him: “No, but its enough to have us worried. It’s also enough to show that we still have fuck all of an idea about what the fuck this bug is actually doing.”

So you have an answer from an expert now, Muf.

Edit: I also hear tell of some hospitals prescribing immunosuppressants to treat this thing, so I imagine their thinking is very much in line with his own.

[thunderbolt23]

@anon50325502

You’re operating under the assumption that it didn’t spread rapidly already/anyway. Data is coming out supporting the notion that this is a bad assumption.

It may well be the case that is true - but that’s entirely my point: it’s spreading and that spread is going to impact aggregate consumer demand whether the government shutters a business or not.

@anon50325502

Certainly not to the point of having zero customers as they do now and many of them can’t get government assistance because Nancy et al can’t be bothered to make a trip to DC to get it done.

But that’s not relevant to the original point - which was businesses aren’t market fundamentalists who refuse government help on principle. Even if the government took no action to hinder commerce, a pandemic is going to threaten to shut down businesses by the truckload - and in that event, businesses would not adopting the “free market” stance of “well, this sucks, and the government is offering assistance that my company desperately needs to survive, but I refuse to take it on principle, and so down with the ship I go”.

Not a chance.

[Legalsteel]

@thunderbolt23

free market” stance of “well, this sucks, and the government is offering assistance that my company desperately needs to survive, but I refuse to take it on principle, and so down with the ship I go”.

Apparently the morons at TPUSA are, in fact, doing that. Which makes me feel very bad for their staff.

[lucasmon]

Children are getting Kawasaki after Corona or are just showing up with it? What are the numbers compared to other years? Pretty much only young kids get it.