Have you compared murder rates without regard to weapon used?
Have you compared violent crime rates?
Why the preoccupation with guns?
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Dude. I already acknowledged this. You are twisting the words I used.
I said violent crime. I chose this word deliberately, because it is true. Our violent crime rates are comparable. Thatās a fact.
You are no more likely to be murdered, raped, or robbed here than Australia. That is the gist of my argument that you seem to deliberately ignore, instead focusing only on āgun violenceā, as if it is the only thing worth examining.
Itās a classic bad-faith gun control argument, designed to distract people from understanding violence in any meaningful context.
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The NRA hasnāt even given that man an award yet. I am betting his presidency was the best of times for their organization, and for gun / ammo manufacturers it was the best 8 years of production they have seen.
Homicide rate in Aus per capita is generally far lower than the USA
0.94/100,000 in Aus vs 5/100,000 in the USA
Untrueā¦ Completely untrue. Youāre more likely to be drugged/raped in Australia, more likely to be murdered in the USAā¦ A little more than 5x more likely if going by stats
Regardless I donāt wish to get into a heated debate. So we can agree to disagree
It is not that the USās gun violence is all due to just having guns (see Switzerland). IMO, the largest part of it is our citizens.
x2, tho people might repeat it without noticing
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Trumpās victory was bad news for gun manufactures, analysts have said.
āI think the entire gun industry was planning on, and I think the entire country was thinking, that Hillary was going to win,ā Brian Skinner, the CEO of Kalashnikov USA, said in a recent interview with CNNMoney. āAnd I know there was huge demand, all the manufacturers had huge orders, and then the day after the election, distributors were canceling orders left and right just because they realized Trumpās coming in now.ā
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Untrue, 46% of American households statistically own a gun. With guns being 14/100 citizens, itās literally impossible for household gun ownership rates to be comparable here.
Same goes for many other countries. Say with Canada, New Zealand etc perhaps gun ownership % per household may be comparable.
Buddy you donāt seeem to be following the discussion at all here.
Iām talking about Maine. The state I live in. Iām talking about violent crime rates. Iāve been very clear on this.
You keep shifting the goal post to āgun crime ratesā and shifting the discussion from Maine to the USA, even though I made no such arguments.
It is classic bad-faith gun control rhetoric. Thereās a reason almost all of the arguments put forward rely on the kind of deception and goalpost shifting youāre doing right here. You make it impossible to have a reasonable discussion, but pat yourself on the back if you feel like you won more discussion points, I suppose.
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Sorry, I didnāt pick that up, havenāt slept in a little while (going on about 24 hrs now) If talking STRICTLY about maine, the homicide rate per capita in 2018 was 1.8/100,000 vs 0.94 here. So about 2x that of Aus.
Hard to sleep when anxious all the time
There is no āpoints hereā. I donāt feel as if Iāve won anything. Iām just looking to have a generalised discussionā¦ I donāt appreciate condescending comments.
As Iāve said prior. Statistically more likely to get raped here, but more likely to die in Maine from homicide. And in my prior comment talking about murder rates via firearm per capita, I was referring to Maine vs numerous other countries. Not the USA
Though Maine is doing something right, firearm homicide rate is like 1/10th that of the US average.
I have NO idea how you came to the conclusion that I thought COVID-19 was a hoax, @NickViar.
If somehow what @loppar wrote was some veiled indication that he thought COVID-19 was a hoaxā¦then I read it wrong. I read what he wrote as showing 1) how easily people can have freedoms taken away without shooting one bullet and 2) how if you donāt take away a freedom they value the most, that they ultimately donāt give a shit about the rest.
Soā¦I have no idea where you are coming from.
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Aber bitte mit Sahne! Bienenstich: Lecker!
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I think you were being ribbed because of this sentiment.
At what point should have American gun owners opened fire during our governmentās pandemic response? Who should they have been shooting? When would the principled gun owner, truly committed to freedom, have taken action and what do you believe that should have looked like?
Why is Maineās firearm homicide rate (and generalised homicide rate) that much lower? Is there a socioeconomic disparity within Maine vs other states? Better healthcare (mental health), background checks? Why particuarly Maine
Values. Culture.
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Remove the pandemic part and youāve got a great explainer why āguns against tyrannyā in general is bullshit.
Oh. So you donāt believe that COVID-19 measures are taking away freedom except to an extent with which almost everyone agrees, which means using this time period as an example of how useless firearms are is stupid. Glad we got that straightened out.
I have issues with COVID-19 measures, but I have problems with the Confederate States not having been allowed to leave the United States. I have problems with people being arrested for letting chickens fight. COVID-19 measures donāt take away freedom to any extent with which the vast majority have any problem.
Isnāt that pretty relevant to the situation though?
For all situations.
The initial comment that started this conversation was me asking for arguements against gun control. One arguements was that of civilians needing to own guns to protect against tyranny.
Wait, getting confusedā¦ Must go to sleep (thought you said irrelevant to the situation/conversation at hand)