I?ll never understand people?s lowered standards for someone with a badge. The cop endangered people, probably illegally, for absolutely no good reason while damaging property and other things. The badge should make us hold them to a higher standard, not a lower one. There should be far higher penalties for cops abusing power, not lower ones.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Wasn’t there a case some years ago where a cop was dragged alongside a car to the point of death because said driver trapped his arm in the window and door frame? Maybe that’s what the cop was concerned about.
Isn’t is standard operating procedure to wind down your window and place both hands on the steering wheel where the cop can clearly see them?
I can’t even watch the video just going off of what people are saying, so I might be totally off.[/quote]
I don’t know about a police officer but a campus security guard was. With that said, he should have handed the citation through the cracked window. A lot of groups that do those women’s safety meetings around here always tell women to only open their windows a crack. I have told my wife the same thing and would be livid if a cop forced her to roll it down all the way. If this was only about the window (I cant watch the video) then the cop should be held accountable for trying to over exert his power.
And to the post about a black female cop, it has been my experience that women cops are far more likely to be power tripping idiots. [/quote]
Since you can’t see the video… There is a female office with him. It is broad daylight on what appears to be a busy street. They are in a marked patrol vehicle. She should have rolled down her window.
[quote]b89 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to go with it is the war on drugs 
When they hire cops today , they need them to do as they are told , not use common sense. Other wise common sense would have told the cop that he could charm this young lady , she was clearly non threatening [/quote]
My common sense would tell me that I don’t want to get my arm rolled up in the window of some lady’s car so I’d prefer it if she rolled her window down so I can give her the citation. [/quote]
It’s fine that you make the request, it’s also fine that see declines. What isn’t fine is an officer escalating a traffic stop like this. He should be assigned to a desk job, receive additional training, and if his conduct does comply with department policy, then the policy needs to be changed. He should also be required to publish a written apology in the local newspaper and read same on all the local news broadcasts.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
Is this an episode of “When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong”??? I expected Dave Chappell to walk into the picture toward the end of the video. She was being detained for a traffic violation. She was not compliant with the commands of the officer while she was being detained. Once the citation was issued she was technically being placed under arrest and he was attempting to allow her to sign the citation and let her go instead of taking her to jail. At this point it is very important to remember that she is UNDER ARREST. She is technically being placed in custody. She continued to be noncompliant and kept it real. He asked her to step out of the vehicle. She kept it real and refused. He reached in to unlock the door to get her out of the car and she tried to roll up the window on him. I see no problem with what the officer did. He should have charged her with resisting arrest or obstruction. Now, ya’ll hate away…[/quote]
He did not tell her that she was under arrest. He had no reason to do anything until he informed her of that. She was technically in custody and entitled to her 5th amendment rights, but she did not have to do anything until she was told she was under arrest(and I don’t recall hearing those words). The fact is, the officer was able to do everything he needed/was legally allowed to do without her doing anything else.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Wasn’t there a case some years ago where a cop was dragged alongside a car to the point of death because said driver trapped his arm in the window and door frame? Maybe that’s what the cop was concerned about.
Isn’t is standard operating procedure to wind down your window and place both hands on the steering wheel where the cop can clearly see them?
I can’t even watch the video just going off of what people are saying, so I might be totally off.[/quote]
I don’t know about a police officer but a campus security guard was. With that said, he should have handed the citation through the cracked window. A lot of groups that do those women’s safety meetings around here always tell women to only open their windows a crack. I have told my wife the same thing and would be livid if a cop forced her to roll it down all the way. If this was only about the window (I cant watch the video) then the cop should be held accountable for trying to over exert his power.
And to the post about a black female cop, it has been my experience that women cops are far more likely to be power tripping idiots. [/quote]
Since you can’t see the video… There is a female office with him. It is broad daylight on what appears to be a busy street. They are in a marked patrol vehicle. She should have rolled down her window.[/quote]
I don’t necessarily agree with you about she should have finished rolling the window down, unless it was tinted. Now if she refused to sign the ticket, then whatever, she asked for it.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]b89 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to go with it is the war on drugs When they hire cops today , they need them to do as they are told , not use common sense. Other wise common sense would have told the cop that he could charm this young lady , she was clearly non threatening [/quote]
My common sense would tell me that I don’t want to get my arm rolled up in the window of some lady’s car so I’d prefer it if she rolled her window down so I can give her the citation. [/quote]
It’s fine that you make the request, it’s also fine that see declines. What isn’t fine is an officer escalating a traffic stop like this. He should be assigned to a desk job, receive additional training, and if his conduct does comply with department policy, then the policy needs to be changed. He should also be required to publish a written apology in the local newspaper and read same on all the local news broadcasts.
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I agree it is unacceptable , problem is he does not get it, he was hired to do as he is told not to think for himself
The clipboard would easily–very easily–have been passed through the cracked window. “He didn’t want to reach his hands in.” Logic, if we are willing to allow the term to be diminished in meaning and nobility by associating it with a solution so excruciatingly obvious, would suggest having her reach her hands out rather than him reach his hands in.
Either way, breaking the driver’s side window in a girl’s face because she didn’t want to roll it down any more to sign papers related to a fucking traffic stop–papers which very, very easily could have been handed through the opening already: stupid, asshole move. Deserves to be suspended without pay and then forced into a ton of additional training.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
She should have rolled down her window.[/quote]
It’s fine that you make the request, it’s also fine that see declines. What isn’t fine is an officer escalating a traffic stop like this. He should be assigned to a desk job, receive additional training, and if his conduct does comply with department policy, then the policy needs to be changed. He should also be required to publish a written apology in the local newspaper and read same on all the local news broadcasts.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
…it is very important to remember that she is UNDER ARREST. She is technically being placed in custody…[/quote]
No, she is being detained and there is a difference here in the land of the free and home of the brave.
If I’m walking back up to my car that has had the parking meter expire while the cop is putting the ticket under the windshield wiper am I temporarily UNDER ARREST?
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They leave the parking tickets under windshields. You don’t have to sign them. You are allowed to sign your ticket for a moving violation instead of being taken to jail to bond out. Yes, she was being placed under arrest.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Wasn’t there a case some years ago where a cop was dragged alongside a car to the point of death because said driver trapped his arm in the window and door frame? Maybe that’s what the cop was concerned about.
Isn’t is standard operating procedure to wind down your window and place both hands on the steering wheel where the cop can clearly see them?
I can’t even watch the video just going off of what people are saying, so I might be totally off.[/quote]
I don’t know about a police officer but a campus security guard was. With that said, he should have handed the citation through the cracked window. A lot of groups that do those women’s safety meetings around here always tell women to only open their windows a crack. I have told my wife the same thing and would be livid if a cop forced her to roll it down all the way. If this was only about the window (I cant watch the video) then the cop should be held accountable for trying to over exert his power.
And to the post about a black female cop, it has been my experience that women cops are far more likely to be power tripping idiots. [/quote]
My girlfriend had a fake cop pull her over before I met her. Now if she ever gets pulled over I told her she needs to only crack the window and call 911 to verify that it is a real officer. Once again, it is more safe for both parties if the window is only cracked. This cop didn’t like his authority challenged so he broke the window and cuffed a woman who told him she was having a miscarriage. All he had to do was slide his little fucking clipboard through the slot in her window and swallow his pride.
It’s frightening that anyone would side with the cop on this one.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
They leave the parking tickets under windshields. You don’t have to sign them. You are allowed to sign your ticket for a moving violation instead of being taken to jail to bond out. Yes, she was being placed under arrest.[/quote]
The courts have not ruled that a traffic stop is an arrest. That would mean a driver would have to be read Miranda before any questioning on any traffic stop. She was not under arrest.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]b89 wrote:
Well technically that already somewhat happened, that’s why he told her she’s being detained. I’m not a LEO so I can’t say what he’s to do. Does he have to physically transfer possession of that clipboard to the woman? I’ve no idea. However, he asked her to roll it down completely so he could hand it to her and then she refused and ultimately rolled her window up. It isn’t unreasonable to worry about your personal safety when transferring something to someone.
I can see an objection to him viewing her actions as a refusal to sign the citation but even after she rolled her window back down she questioned why she’s even pulled over and what she’s receiving a citation for even though it’s explained to her already.
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What technically already somewhat happened?[/quote]
A refusal to sign.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]b89 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to go with it is the war on drugs When they hire cops today , they need them to do as they are told , not use common sense. Other wise common sense would have told the cop that he could charm this young lady , she was clearly non threatening [/quote]
My common sense would tell me that I don’t want to get my arm rolled up in the window of some lady’s car so I’d prefer it if she rolled her window down so I can give her the citation. [/quote]
It’s fine that you make the request, it’s also fine that see declines. What isn’t fine is an officer escalating a traffic stop like this. He should be assigned to a desk job, receive additional training, and if his conduct does comply with department policy, then the policy needs to be changed. He should also be required to publish a written apology in the local newspaper and read same on all the local news broadcasts.
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He didn’t really escalate anything, he made requests. If she handled it differently the outcome may have been more favorable for her. The real question is whether or not he violated the SOPs or whatever it’s called for LEOs.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]b89 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]b89 wrote:
Well technically that already somewhat happened, that’s why he told her she’s being detained. I’m not a LEO so I can’t say what he’s to do. Does he have to physically transfer possession of that clipboard to the woman? I’ve no idea. However, he asked her to roll it down completely so he could hand it to her and then she refused and ultimately rolled her window up. It isn’t unreasonable to worry about your personal safety when transferring something to someone.
I can see an objection to him viewing her actions as a refusal to sign the citation but even after she rolled her window back down she questioned why she’s even pulled over and what she’s receiving a citation for even though it’s explained to her already.
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What technically already somewhat happened?[/quote]
A refusal to sign.
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How was it a refusal to sign? He never handed her the clipboard. And he could have. Easily and without all the drama.
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She never attempted to take possession of the clipboard, requested he drop it through the crack in the window or reached through the crack in the window to grab the clipboard from him. She refused to roll the window down completely and rolled her window up completely after momentarily sticking her hand through the crack. Prior to that she questioned why she needed to roll her window down completely.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
They leave the parking tickets under windshields. You don’t have to sign them. You are allowed to sign your ticket for a moving violation instead of being taken to jail to bond out. Yes, she was being placed under arrest.[/quote]
The courts have not ruled that a traffic stop is an arrest. That would mean a driver would have to be read Miranda before any questioning on any traffic stop. She was not under arrest.[/quote]
I am not talking about the entire traffic stop. I am talking about when the officer walks up to give her the ticket to sign. When he is doing that, yes, she is technically being placed under arrest. Prior to that, no, she is not under arrest, she is simply detained.