I think you’re going to keep dodging my question, so I’ll just let you off the hook and look it up. The answer is “no” you can’t maintain a sex life without sinning according to the Catholic Church.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m asking you, in your opinion is there a way to maintain a regular sex life without acting immorally while avoiding pregnancy?
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Oh, well I thought that was obvious. I am anti-contraception, after all. No, not by contraceptive means.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I think you’re going to keep dodging my question, so I’ll just let you off the hook and look it up. The answer is “no” you can’t maintain a sex life without sinning according to the Catholic Church.
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Dodging? I thought it was understood to be my position. And the second sentence is untrue. You can maintain a sex life. Married, without the use of contraception.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I think you’re going to keep dodging my question, so I’ll just let you off the hook and look it up. The answer is “no” you can’t maintain a sex life without sinning according to the Catholic Church.
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Dodging? I thought it was understood to be my position. And the second sentence is untrue. You can maintain a sex life. Married, without the use of contraception.
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Yeah not while also avoiding pregnancy.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I think you’re going to keep dodging my question, so I’ll just let you off the hook and look it up. The answer is “no” you can’t maintain a sex life without sinning according to the Catholic Church.
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Dodging? I thought it was understood to be my position. And the second sentence is untrue. You can maintain a sex life. Married, without the use of contraception.
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Yeah not while also avoiding pregnancy.
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Not exactly true. Periods of abstinence are permitted, but that requires, well, abstinence. Were you simply curious?
Edit: By the way, how am I dodging if you pointed out that my position on contraception in the first post? You were asking me how to have sex without getting pregnant, and without using contraception. I don’t know, seek professional advice, rofl. What did the questions have to do with me and my position. If the the couple holds the same belief, they won’t use. If they don’t, they will.
Just as a reminder Therajraj, this was the second question you put to me.
I give up. How? lol.
If sex without the intent of reproduction is immoral, should you have sex with your pregnant wife? That would be sex with no possibility of creating a life.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If sex without the intent of reproduction is immoral, should you have sex with your pregnant wife? That would be sex with no possibility of creating a life.[/quote]
Not quite. The couple hasn’t divorced sex from procreation, obviously.
In any event, the controversy was around forcing Catholics to provide contraception coverage. Not Catholics forcing the government to ban contraception. Is this line of questioning simply curiosity?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If sex without the intent of reproduction is immoral, should you have sex with your pregnant wife? That would be sex with no possibility of creating a life.[/quote]
Not quite. The couple hasn’t divorced sex from procreation, obviously. [/quote]
But they have when they are doing it while unnecessary for procreation. No? I’m not seeing the difference. They are doing it for a reason unrelated to procreation.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If sex without the intent of reproduction is immoral, should you have sex with your pregnant wife? That would be sex with no possibility of creating a life.[/quote]
Not quite. The couple hasn’t divorced sex from procreation, obviously. [/quote]
But they have when they are doing it while unnecessary for procreation. No? I’m not seeing the difference.[/quote]
No, no, no. The inability for her to get pregnant is an act of nature. Forget pregnant, how about simply unable to get pregnant (excluding deliberate sterilization, etc.)? Not an act of contraception.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Just as a reminder Therajraj, this was the second question you put to me.
I give up. How? lol. [/quote]
For a second I thought perhaps you had a view that didn’t align with the Catholic Church.
For instance Pat isn’t against all forms of birth control.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If sex without the intent of reproduction is immoral, should you have sex with your pregnant wife? That would be sex with no possibility of creating a life.[/quote]
Not quite. The couple hasn’t divorced sex from procreation, obviously. [/quote]
But they have when they are doing it while unnecessary for procreation. No? I’m not seeing the difference.[/quote]
No, no, no. The inability for her to get pregnant is an act of nature. Forget pregnant, how about simply unable to get pregnant (excluding deliberate sterilization, etc.)? Not an act of contraception. [/quote]
But it still means there is benefit and acceptability to sex without procreation.
You could just as well time intercourse outside of ovulation and not get pregnant. Is that wrong?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I think you’re going to keep dodging my question, so I’ll just let you off the hook and look it up. The answer is “no” you can’t maintain a sex life without sinning according to the Catholic Church.
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Dodging? I thought it was understood to be my position. And the second sentence is untrue. You can maintain a sex life. Married, without the use of contraception.
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Yeah not while also avoiding pregnancy.
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Not exactly true. Periods of abstinence are permitted, but that requires, well, abstinence. Were you simply curious?
Edit: By the way, how am I dodging if you pointed out that my position on contraception in the first post? You were asking me how to have sex without getting pregnant, and without using contraception. I don’t know, seek professional advice, rofl. What did the questions have to do with me and my position. If the the couple holds the same belief, they won’t use. If they don’t, they will. [/quote]
Yeah I was simply curious.
The question has to do because I’m asking your opinion. I thought perhaps there was a scenario where people could have sex without sinning and avoiding pregnancy.
periods of abstinence = no sex.
So that doesn’t qualify as a solution for a regular sex life while avoiding pregnancy.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
periods of abstinence = no sex.
So that doesn’t qualify as a solution for a regular sex life while avoiding pregnancy.[/quote]
It depends on what you mean by regular.
But why are you assuming there has to be a way to do what you want within the confines of a moral system.
You could also ask “how do I go about killing my neighbor within the catholic teachings?”
It is not necessary that there be an answer to your question.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
In any event, the controversy was around forcing Catholics to provide contraception coverage. Not Catholics forcing the government to ban contraception. Is this line of questioning simply curiosity? [/quote]
It was for me. I guess the questions we are trying to understand is this.
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Why the church is against contraception in the first place when there doesn’t seem to be anything morally wrong with it, other Christians don’t have a problem with it, only Catholics.
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Why individuals care what the church has to say about their personal lives. The rules were made by humans after all, and the criticism is that Catholics are just blindly following what the ones higher up in the organization say.
The first is easily answered on Google so it’s really only the 2nd one here.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Just as a reminder Therajraj, this was the second question you put to me.
I give up. How? lol. [/quote]
For a second I thought perhaps you had a view that didn’t align with the Catholic Church.
For instance Pat isn’t against all forms of birth control.
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You sure? You’re not confusing a public policy conversation, are you?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
periods of abstinence = no sex.
So that doesn’t qualify as a solution for a regular sex life while avoiding pregnancy.[/quote]
It depends on what you mean by regular.
But why are you assuming there has to be a way to do what you want within the confines of a moral system.
You could also ask “how do I go about killing my neighbor within the catholic teachings?”
It is not necessary that there be an answer to your question.[/quote]
Of course not, but we’re talking about sex here. Not murdering people.
I’m not asking about something as absurd like how ti kill without going against catholic teachings.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Just as a reminder Therajraj, this was the second question you put to me.
I give up. How? lol. [/quote]
For a second I thought perhaps you had a view that didn’t align with the Catholic Church.
For instance Pat isn’t against all forms of birth control.
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You sure? You’re not confusing a public policy conversation, are you?
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Yep.
When I brought up the angle of Catholics attitudes towards contraception I asked him what his personal opinion was.