[quote]ephrem wrote:
More repressed stupidity:
Abstinence-Only Sex Education Bill In Utah Prohibits Teaching Contraception
See?
Wouldn’t it just make more sense to leave this kind of stuff to parents and their communities?
I have a feeling that’s the way the good ole US of A used to work, but it’s been so long, so very very long, that maybe that is just a wishful dream of a time that never was.
[quote]Cortes wrote:<< Wouldn’t it just make more sense to leave this kind of stuff to parents and their communities?
I have a feeling that’s the way the good ole US of A used to work, but it’s been so long, so very very long, that maybe that is just a wishful dream of a time that never was. [/quote]There used to be families.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:<< Wouldn’t it just make more sense to leave this kind of stuff to parents and their communities?
I have a feeling that’s the way the good ole US of A used to work, but it’s been so long, so very very long, that maybe that is just a wishful dream of a time that never was. [/quote]There used to be families.
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Sloth and I have been saying this for pages now, but this is a perfect summary of the ACTUAL root problem of this entire issue in five simple words.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:<< Wouldn’t it just make more sense to leave this kind of stuff to parents and their communities?
I have a feeling that’s the way the good ole US of A used to work, but it’s been so long, so very very long, that maybe that is just a wishful dream of a time that never was. [/quote]There used to be families.
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Sloth and I have been saying this for pages now, but this is a perfect summary of the ACTUAL root problem of this entire issue in five simple words. [/quote]
Allright, so “there used to be families”, and you feel that’s the problem, right?
How, in your words, would our modern problems be solved if there were “families”, and how would those “families” be structured?
I still don’t see how attacking the programs that are in place as a result of lack of families, will fix the problem of no families.
I wrote this a while back on gay marriage when Cortes was gone. It was in response to a guy who said that gay marriage would not have an appreciable effect on our society. It applies everywhere:
[quote]Gay marriage is the latest component in a national suicide that began in earnest in the 1960’s. It HAS AND IS having an appreciable effect. A devastating suicidal one. This country was built on the social/political/economic foundation of very limited public government through privately and voluntarily practiced Judeo-Christian morality.
Oh yes it was. Our founders clearly told us that. “The reason we can give you so few rules boys n girls is because you’re already so well behaved on the whole” to paraphrase in a nutshell. Even the total hypocritical pagans like Jefferson and Franklin clearly understood this.
The soil out of which new citizens grow is their family or lack thereof. Every single last issue killing this country is a direct consequence of that. The founders assumed that we would continue in the new testament model of one man and one woman for life wherein there are boundaries that engender self sacrifice, self control, decency, modesty and HONESTY in the act of upholding one’s vows because one’s word actually meant something. All of this was predicated upon the assumption that God designed it that way. That was the soil for new citizens they absolutely counted on for their experiment in self government to succeed and it did.
We skyrocketed into the most prosperous, powerful, feared and respected nation in all of human history over the course of a few generations BECAUSE despite our human foibles we were the most moral because we were the most Christian. Look at the soil our citizens are growing in now. Children of the hippies. Hedonistic, self obsessed, narcissistic, materialistic whores whose mission in life is bringing themselves the most pleasure in the most rapid fashion possible.
ALL the economic woes we are now in ARE, make no mistake, the consequence of the sexually moral degeneration of this nation’s citizenry resulting in the destruction of the foundational social unit upon which she was built and out of which her members are spawned. Even Stalin understood this. He told the world that the United Sates would never be defeated as long as she maintained her spirituality and hence MORality.
Wanna know what’s rotting this nation dead from the inside out like an oozing flesh eating virus? Go look in your Sex and the Male Animal forum. We will destroy OURSELVES to the snickering glee of our many enemies without a shot being fired, all in the name of getting laid. Gay marriage is just the latest chapter.[/quote]
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:<< Wouldn’t it just make more sense to leave this kind of stuff to parents and their communities?
I have a feeling that’s the way the good ole US of A used to work, but it’s been so long, so very very long, that maybe that is just a wishful dream of a time that never was. [/quote]There used to be families.
[/quote]
Sloth and I have been saying this for pages now, but this is a perfect summary of the ACTUAL root problem of this entire issue in five simple words. [/quote]
Allright, so “there used to be families”, and you feel that’s the problem, right?
How, in your words, would our modern problems be solved if there were “families”, and how would those “families” be structured?
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No no no, eph. That’s not how it works. However reading what I wrote just above, your question is fair. The solution, if there is one at this point, is not finding some way to cobble together families.
When these modern problems are solved, intact families are a natural result of that state.
One thing leads to another, to another, to another, to another.
That’s why we appear to be focusing upon one thing (propagation of obscenity masquerading as edification) while pointing to another.
This problem is also related to Women’s rights. Before modern contraception methods women generally did not plan on full time careers and they are directly related. What societies currently have equal women in the workforce without the loss of traditional family values?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:<< Wouldn’t it just make more sense to leave this kind of stuff to parents and their communities?
I have a feeling that’s the way the good ole US of A used to work, but it’s been so long, so very very long, that maybe that is just a wishful dream of a time that never was. [/quote]There used to be families.
[/quote]
Sloth and I have been saying this for pages now, but this is a perfect summary of the ACTUAL root problem of this entire issue in five simple words. [/quote]
Allright, so “there used to be families”, and you feel that’s the problem, right?
How, in your words, would our modern problems be solved if there were “families”, and how would those “families” be structured?
[/quote]
No no no, eph. That’s not how it works. However reading what I wrote just above, your question is fair. The solution, if there is one at this point, is not finding some way to cobble together families.
When these modern problems are solved, intact families are a natural result of that state.
One thing leads to another, to another, to another, to another.
That’s why we appear to be focusing upon one thing (propagation of obscenity masquerading as edification) while pointing to another. [/quote]
Modern problems are not [just] caused by [amongst other things] edification of obscenity. In my view it’s the unnecessary puritanical approach to sexuality and the consequences of feminism that lie at the core of these issues.
Sex-ed works, birth-control works [most of the time, but you get what I mean]. What does not work are abstinence-only programs and parents who stick their head in the sand and pretend their kids aren’t having sex.
Ofcourse I realise that pragmatism does not gel with religious beliefs, just look at what Tiribulus posted one or two posts up, but the stats are clear on this; if fewer abortions and fewer teenage pregnancies outside of wedlock [another archaic concept] are wanted, education is the way to go.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
This problem is also related to Women’s rights. Before modern contraception methods women generally did not plan on full time careers and they are directly related. What societies currently have equal women in the workforce without the loss of traditional family values?[/quote]
Scandinavian countries have very generous parental leave options to ensure that people have kids and form families.
We all know how sexually free they are, and they haven’t done bad for themselves, have they?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
This problem is also related to Women’s rights. Before modern contraception methods women generally did not plan on full time careers and they are directly related. What societies currently have equal women in the workforce without the loss of traditional family values?[/quote]
Scandinavian countries have very generous parental leave options to ensure that people have kids and form families.
We all know how sexually free they are, and they haven’t done bad for themselves, have they?[/quote]
I think part of the problem is that both parents are working, which produces to a ton of latch key kids. Even if these countries are “generous” with parental leave options, you still have kids who do not get a whole lot of supervision and nurturing from their actual parents.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
This problem is also related to Women’s rights. Before modern contraception methods women generally did not plan on full time careers and they are directly related. What societies currently have equal women in the workforce without the loss of traditional family values?[/quote]
Scandinavian countries have very generous parental leave options to ensure that people have kids and form families.
We all know how sexually free they are, and they haven’t done bad for themselves, have they?[/quote]
Yes I’ve mentioned this before, America’s teen pregnancy rate is higher then other countries which have the same sexual freedoms and teen sexual activity rates.
Maybe the real problem is too many people fighting to get rid of the few programs we have left.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
This problem is also related to Women’s rights. Before modern contraception methods women generally did not plan on full time careers and they are directly related. What societies currently have equal women in the workforce without the loss of traditional family values?[/quote]
Scandinavian countries have very generous parental leave options to ensure that people have kids and form families.
We all know how sexually free they are, and they haven’t done bad for themselves, have they?[/quote]
Well they do have to bribe folks to even have kids. Small populations, getting old fast, below replacement levels fertility (even with the bribing), importing foreign labor with higher fertility. It’s basically the have fun and replace your people philosophy.
I love who ever posted this video. SO TRUE. Check out this graphic video.
[quote]fibroblaster wrote:
I love who ever posted this video. SO TRUE. Check out this graphic video.
http://abortionno.org [/quote]
Judging from the source its probably propaganda, so no thanks.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]fibroblaster wrote:
I love who ever posted this video. SO TRUE. Check out this graphic video.
http://abortionno.org [/quote]
Judging from the source its probably propaganda, so no thanks.[/quote]
Surely you’ve seen a cardiac, or other type of, surgery, no? On TV, maybe?
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< Scandinavian countries have very generous parental leave options to ensure that people have kids and form families.
We all know how sexually free they are, and they haven’t done bad for themselves, have they?[/quote]I’m not interested in living in some irrelevant insignificant little speck on the map. I’m an American. I want greatness. I want world leadership. I like being feared by my enemies. I like pax americana. I like discovering electricity. I like putting the world on wheels. I like putting man into flight. I like advancing quantum science. I like defeating marauding tyrants. I like putting man on the moon. I like being the launching pad for the digital age. I like being envied and I like being the most prosperous and more charitable than the next five countries combined.
When your piddling little libertine socialist snot spray nations accomplish something beyond institutionalized whoredom lemme know huh?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< Scandinavian countries have very generous parental leave options to ensure that people have kids and form families.
We all know how sexually free they are, and they haven’t done bad for themselves, have they?[/quote]I’m not interested in living in some irrelevant insignificant little speck on the map. I’m an American. I want greatness. I want world leadership. I like being feared by my enemies. I like pax americana. I like discovering electricity. I like putting the world on wheels. I like putting man into flight. I like advancing quantum science. I like defeating marauding tyrants. I like putting man on the moon. I like being the launching pad for the digital age. I like being envied and I like being the most prosperous and more charitable than the next five countries combined.
When your piddling little libertine socialist snot spray nations accomplish something beyond institutionalized whoredom lemme know huh?
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Lol!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:<<< Scandinavian countries have very generous parental leave options to ensure that people have kids and form families.
We all know how sexually free they are, and they haven’t done bad for themselves, have they?[/quote]I’m not interested in living in some irrelevant insignificant little speck on the map. I’m an American. I want greatness. I want world leadership. I like being feared by my enemies. I like pax americana. I like discovering electricity. I like putting the world on wheels. I like putting man into flight. I like advancing quantum science. I like defeating marauding tyrants. I like putting man on the moon. I like being the launching pad for the digital age. I like being envied and I like being the most prosperous and more charitable than the next five countries combined.
When your piddling little libertine socialist snot spray nations accomplish something beyond institutionalized whoredom lemme know huh?
[/quote]
So the problem you guys keep talking about started in the 1960s. Half the stuff you mentioned basically took place AFTER that year, the other half happened earlier but continued to happen AFTER. Conclusion, greatness is unrelated to repressed sexual freedom.