Continuation on the Reproductive Rights Topic

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

No idea what you’re even talking about. [/quote]

The links Sloth provided. It talked about how showing pornography to children has neural repercussions. In order for those links to be relevant you have to equate sexual health material to pornography.

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work the googles. pornography = “Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity.”
Visual material- Check. Explicit description or display of sexual organs - Check. Explicit description or display of sexual activity - Check. Yep, its porn.[/quote]

So I suppose you’re going to argue for the removal of uterus models from doctor’s offices? And for anatomy books to be banned from schools? We’ve apparently stepped back to the 14th century. Down with knowledge (if it’s deemed inappropriate by the Church). Absolutely the most ridiculous argument on this board to date. I’m not going to continue discussing this. All I’m going to say is that I’m thoroughly thankful that you’re a minority.[/quote]

wow, you are a serious bitch when someone disagrees with you. When did I say I was against removing anything from the doctors office? Thats right, i didnt you self righteous twit. When did I mention the church? Didnt. any other things you want to go on a pissy little tangent about?[/quote]

If you can’t understand how what you said implied that, that’s too bad.

As for me being a bitch, if pointing out your logic fail makes me one, I suppose I’ll accept the title.

As for the rest of your little rant, apparently I touched on a nerve.[/quote]

prithy explain how posting a definition from google is a “logic fail”? Its going to be hard, because you cant.[/quote]

Go back, read it, and think about the implications.

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[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I agree. I’m not in favor of socialism. But I would rather support a system that prevents a growing problem than having to pay much more for the problem once it is too late.

And this is why I don’t understand why people who are more supportive of a capitalist system would not support Planned Parenthood. Anything that can help cut down on unwanted children, general dysfunction and MUCH more need for a safety net is a good thing.

For the record, I don’t like paying for other people either.
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I believe it’s human nature to congregate in groups. The nationstate is just an extension of that. As a group we have the ability to make life that much easier for ourselves, but that also requires a form of sacrifice [taxes] to extend that ability to others without a direct benefit to ourselves.

How far the sacrifice goes is bound to culture and ideology, but it’s also a matter of common sense. It’s common sense I think is lacking in [proposed] legislation from politicians on your end of the Atlantic.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve been saying this for months now. It won’t sink in because they desire it 100% their way, no compromise, never mind that a compromise could reduce abortion in the meantime.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

No idea what you’re even talking about. [/quote]

The links Sloth provided. It talked about how showing pornography to children has neural repercussions. In order for those links to be relevant you have to equate sexual health material to pornography.

[/quote]
work the googles. pornography = “Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity.”
Visual material- Check. Explicit description or display of sexual organs - Check. Explicit description or display of sexual activity - Check. Yep, its porn.[/quote]

So I suppose you’re going to argue for the removal of uterus models from doctor’s offices? And for anatomy books to be banned from schools? We’ve apparently stepped back to the 14th century. Down with knowledge (if it’s deemed inappropriate by the Church). Absolutely the most ridiculous argument on this board to date. I’m not going to continue discussing this. All I’m going to say is that I’m thoroughly thankful that you’re a minority.[/quote]

wow, you are a serious bitch when someone disagrees with you. When did I say I was against removing anything from the doctors office? Thats right, i didnt you self righteous twit. When did I mention the church? Didnt. any other things you want to go on a pissy little tangent about?[/quote]

If you can’t understand how what you said implied that, that’s too bad.

As for me being a bitch, if pointing out your logic fail makes me one, I suppose I’ll accept the title.

As for the rest of your little rant, apparently I touched on a nerve.[/quote]

prithy explain how posting a definition from google is a “logic fail”? Its going to be hard, because you cant.[/quote]

Go back, read it, and think about the implications.[/quote]

so posting a definition from a widely available source that may or may not have further implications is a logic fail? nope, try again.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve been saying this for months now. It won’t sink in because they desire it 100% their way, no compromise, never mind that a compromise could reduce abortion in the meantime.[/quote]

This is becoming a serious problem, and I think it is only going to get worse. Many social conservatives like to hold absolute views like “abortion is wrong” and “schools should teach abstinence only” and will not even listen to any other views, even if it helps their cause even a little. It just makes it easier and easier for liberals to beat us in elections. Take the abortion thing. Many conservatives want to eliminate abortion completely because they think it is wrong. That is great and all, but arguments like rape, incest, and mortal danger to the mother are excellent arguments and will (and have) convince many people to support it. If opponents would spend more time trying to limit the conditions in which people can obtain abortions, they may actually find some success. For instance, it might be possible to convince voters that women should not be able to abort a baby just because she didn’t use any form of birth control. This is assuming proper sex education.

Which brings me to the topic of sex education. This push for abstinence only education makes no sense to me. Nobody is going to stop the majority teenagers from having sex. We may as well educate them on how to go about having sex responsibly and safely. I know when I was a kid, parents had to consent for us to go through sex ed. I don’t know if that is still the case, but it is a good idea. That way parents who are against sex ed for religious reasons or whatever can practice their religion. It is better than any one group trying to force their beliefs on the other.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve been saying this for months now. It won’t sink in because they desire it 100% their way, no compromise, never mind that a compromise could reduce abortion in the meantime.[/quote]

This is becoming a serious problem, and I think it is only going to get worse. Many social conservatives like to hold absolute views like “abortion is wrong” and “schools should teach abstinence only” and will not even listen to any other views, even if it helps their cause even a little. It just makes it easier and easier for liberals to beat us in elections. Take the abortion thing. Many conservatives want to eliminate abortion completely because they think it is wrong. That is great and all, but arguments like rape, incest, and mortal danger to the mother are excellent arguments and will (and have) convince many people to support it. If opponents would spend more time trying to limit the conditions in which people can obtain abortions, they may actually find some success. For instance, it might be possible to convince voters that women should not be able to abort a baby just because she didn’t use any form of birth control. This is assuming proper sex education.

Which brings me to the topic of sex education. This push for abstinence only education makes no sense to me. Nobody is going to stop the majority teenagers from having sex. We may as well educate them on how to go about having sex responsibly and safely. I know when I was a kid, parents had to consent for us to go through sex ed. I don’t know if that is still the case, but it is a good idea. That way parents who are against sex ed for religious reasons or whatever can practice their religion. It is better than any one group trying to force their beliefs on the other.
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The argument of not fighting evil simply because it can’t be completely stopped is a horrible one. We can’t ever completely any evil. That doesn’t mean we should not oppose it. Sex education is not about sex nor education. Sex education is about tricking people into viewing sex as simply an act of pleasure, so that the abortion and birth control industry can make money. Recall that the leftist ALWAYS use euphemisms in promoting their cause. They take nice words and slap it on something evil. This way, they can say if you oppose the evil then you oppose the euphemistic word that disguises the evil. The following is a compilation of leftist euphemisms.

If you are against slaughtering an innocent defenseless child, then you are against “Choice” “reproductive freedom” and “Privacy” in general.

If you oppose gay marriage, then you oppose “Marriage equality”

If you oppose people coming to your child’s class promoting homosexuality, warped sexual acts like sodomy, safe sex, and promiscuity, then you oppose “Sex education”

If you oppose embroytic stem cell research, then you oppose healing people with alzeimers.

If you oppose assisted suicide, then you oppose “Death with Dignity”

If you oppose the government taking your tax money and funding evil organizations such as planned parenthood, then you oppose “Health Care Reform”

If you oppose Marxism, then you oppose “Social Justice”

If you oppose evil, then you oppose “freedom”

If you oppose wars, then you oppose “Patriotism”

If you oppose Zionism, then you oppose “jews”

If you oppose racism, then you oppose “leveling the playing field” and “affirmative action”

If you oppose atheism, then you oppose “intellectualism”

If you oppose torture, then you oppose “safety”

If you oppose welfare, then you oppose “fighting poverty”

If you oppose prostitution (pornography), then you oppose “the freedom of speech”

If you oppose wrong doing, then you oppose “Not judging people”

Recall, all atrocities are committed through this scheme. Hitler “relocated” the Hebrew People.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Wow, I waited till I got married. Can I get a share of PP’s money for teaching myself? I got all the same information from common sense.
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Judging by STD and teen pregnancy rates, what you consider common sense isn’t.[/quote]

I never got an std or a teen girl pregnant.[/quote]

You’re still not getting that this isn’t about you and that you aren’t representation of majority of teenagers in the US.[/quote]

Then, it isn’t about you either, and your personal experience is invalid.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Other things Planned Parenthood told me:

“This IUD will make you infertile if you sleep with someone with certain STDs without protection”

“You might have cancer. Here’s a form to make sure you get that checked out this week”

“You have healthy weight and blood pressure”

“Your hormone and other tests came back normal”

“If you need personal counseling, we have those services”

“We need to follow up on that.”

Such an evil service! [/quote]

“yes, we will kill your baby if you think it might be inconvinient.”

“Hey little 10 year old girl, this is how to take it in the ass”

It is not necessary that everything an organization does is bad for the organization to be bad. They can do some good and still be bad. Hitler got trains to run on time.[/quote]

I’ve stated this before- I don’t care about whether or no planned parenthood continues to provide abortions and I personally think that they should have stopped when it became a partisan issue. It’s a stupid political move on their part.

That being said, I think it’s also ridiculous that Republicans are discrediting all of the women who’ve been helped by planned parenthood, which is millions, and are also willing to put them on the line over the abortion political issue.

Both parties (planned parenthood and the republican party) need to put aside their ultimatums and start talking about compromises. Stop trying to paint the other party as evil. I know for a FACT that anyone who saw the planned parenthood gynecologist I had would have had to BEG for information of the nature you’re referring to and they would have received an EARFUL about having more than one partner. To paint all of the good that’s been done by this organization the same awful color because of a few stories is to do exactly what you’re accusing Planned Parenthood of; needlessly endangering lives.

Instead of tearing the other side a new asshole, let’s be realistic. Not even close to the majority of Planned Parenthood providers are as you’re describing. Planned Parenthood does save lives, many lives. They are the first line of medical help for hundreds of thousands of women. Planned Parenthood gives out sound medical advice regarding sex, including limiting and testing the number of partners you have.

They’ve made a stupid political decision to put these women on the line with the abortion issue, but so has the entire republican party. What can be done about this?

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As I will state again, you absolutely refuse to see the other perspective. I see abortion as willful cold blooded murder of a 100% innocent human being. The fact that that is a small percentage of what they do doesn’t matter. It is an organization that commits murder. MURDER. AS IN THEY MURDER PEOPLE. No amount of good sexual advice could ever possibly justify that. You claiming that the murdering they do is just a small part of the organization and that they contribute to good women’s health advice part is asinine. You seem entirely unable or unwilling to comprehend that for people that see abortion as murder, that doing an abortion is committing murder. It is very simple, so Iâ??m assuming you are willfully ignorant.

It is not a freaking partisan issue, I am extremely non-partisan. It is not a political issue. It is an issue of freaking murder. MURDER. Get it?

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Wow, I waited till I got married. Can I get a share of PP’s money for teaching myself? I got all the same information from common sense.
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Judging by STD and teen pregnancy rates, what you consider common sense isn’t.[/quote]

I never got an std or a teen girl pregnant.[/quote]

The point is that your common sense isn’t all that common.[/quote]

You can’t fix stupid.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve already explain the stupidity of this claim.

If we teach kids how to get away with armed robbery, we could reduce the number of kids going to jail.

So if you are against teaching kids how to commit armed robbery, you obviously want to imprison kids.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve already explain the stupidity of this claim.

If we teach kids how to get away with armed robbery, we could reduce the number of kids going to jail.

So if you are against teaching kids how to commit armed robbery, you obviously want to imprison kids.[/quote]

The stats speak for themselves. You can deny that all you want but that doesn’t change a thing.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Wow, I waited till I got married. Can I get a share of PP’s money for teaching myself? I got all the same information from common sense.
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Judging by STD and teen pregnancy rates, what you consider common sense isn’t.[/quote]

I never got an std or a teen girl pregnant.[/quote]

The point is that your common sense isn’t all that common.[/quote]

You can’t fix stupid.[/quote]

I think you mean immaturity. Most of us are immature idiots in our teenage years.

There’s a guy on this boards, DJHT (he changed his handle) who had a kid at 17… I don’t think he’s stupid.

Kids are immature idiots who make dumb decisions. At least if you arm them with this knowledge, they will likely make a few less.

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Oh and for the people who keep posting the high teen pregnancy rates as evidence for the lack of effectiveness of sex ed - aside from rates being higher in districts that provide abstinence-only programs, a mere 58% of schools consider their sex ed program comprehensive.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve already explain the stupidity of this claim.

If we teach kids how to get away with armed robbery, we could reduce the number of kids going to jail.

So if you are against teaching kids how to commit armed robbery, you obviously want to imprison kids.[/quote]

The stats speak for themselves. You can deny that all you want but that doesn’t change a thing.
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Swing and a miss. You completely missed the point.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
Other than that, I’m still trying to read up on it, but every time I google it, I just get a bunch of right-wing anti-Obamacare propoganda, without anything stating what the requirements are, what it will actually cover, etc.[/quote]

Well know we know what that SexMachine guy does when he’s not posting here.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve already explain the stupidity of this claim.

If we teach kids how to get away with armed robbery, we could reduce the number of kids going to jail.

So if you are against teaching kids how to commit armed robbery, you obviously want to imprison kids.[/quote]

What illegal act are you comparing armed robbery to?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I’ve already explain the stupidity of this claim.

If we teach kids how to get away with armed robbery, we could reduce the number of kids going to jail.

So if you are against teaching kids how to commit armed robbery, you obviously want to imprison kids.[/quote]

The stats speak for themselves. You can deny that all you want but that doesn’t change a thing.
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Swing and a miss. You completely missed the point.[/quote]

What was your point?

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Dov’t you people know who margaret sanger was? planned parenthood is the most evil organization to ever exist. www.abortionno.org

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How does slaughtering an innocent child have anything to due with “reproductive rights”? People should have the right to reproduce, they just shouldn;t have the right to slaughter. If you don’t think abortion is murder, then go to www.abortionno.org

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[quote]fibroblaster wrote:
Dov’t you people know who margaret sanger was? planned parenthood is the most evil organization to ever exist. www.abortionno.org [/quote]

“Sanger has continued to be regarded as a leading figure in the battle for American women’s rights.”