Continuation on the Reproductive Rights Topic

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
So you can’t even take care of your own basic healthcare needs and you want the productive members of society to ‘write the whole bill’ off? What can you do olee? Obviously you’re getting a very expensive pseudo-education at college - who pays for that olee? What have you learned so far that my fathers’ generation hadn’t learned by the time they left primary school? Is there anything that you can do by yourself without help from productive people olee? Anything?[/quote]

I’m honestly taken aback by the amount of hatred you have for people who are less well-off than yourself, especially CHILDREN who have no control over their circumstance.

We’re not talking about me today, we’re talking about a person who was dependent on others who couldn’t pay their bills. Even back then, I was paying taxes, working as much as the law would allow me, and paying for things that I guarantee you were not expected to pay for yourself at that age. In other words, my entire life, I have worked harder than the average person and I have gone quite far. I’ve never been on food stamps or social security, I had my own place at 17, and I’ve helped many others along the way, including my entire family and over 50+ foster-care kids.

I am currently paying for college with loans, just like the majority of citizens and I pay my own medical bills. But that’s beside the point.

Do you honestly want to hold CHILDREN responsible for the inability of their parents to provide?

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
So you can’t even take care of your own basic healthcare needs and you want the productive members of society to ‘write the whole bill’ off? What can you do olee? Obviously you’re getting a very expensive pseudo-education at college - who pays for that olee? What have you learned so far that my fathers’ generation hadn’t learned by the time they left primary school? Is there anything that you can do by yourself without help from productive people olee? Anything?[/quote]

I’m honestly taken aback by the amount of hatred you have for people who are less well-off than yourself, especially CHILDREN who have no control over their circumstance.

We’re not talking about me today, we’re talking about a person who was dependent on others who couldn’t pay their bills. Even back then, I was paying taxes, working as much as the law would allow me, and paying for things that I guarantee you were not expected to pay for yourself at that age. In other words, my entire life, I have worked harder than the average person and I have gone quite far. I’ve never been on food stamps or social security, I had my own place at 17, and I’ve helped many others along the way, including my entire family and over 50+ foster-care kids.

I am currently paying for college with loans, just like the majority of citizens and I pay my own medical bills. But that’s beside the point.

Do you honestly want to hold CHILDREN responsible for the inability of their parents to provide?

[/quote]
Wow, Sexmachine is either very young or very sheltered, poor little Australian rich boy. . .

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

I didn’t have a regular practitioner after the age of 12 either.

[/quote]

Alright, this is ridiculous. Why would you ask how come someone wouldn’t go to a regular practitioner if you yourself didn’t have one after the age of 12? I call bullshit. Bullshit or stupid.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

I’m honestly taken aback by the amount of hatred you have for people who are less well-off than yourself, especially CHILDREN who have no control over their circumstance.

[/quote]

You really are twisted aren’t you? My background is as working-class as you can get. And I’ve been working since I was 14.

Really? How can you make such a guarantee?

Good for you.

Yes Obama wants to ‘forgive’ those loans. That means productive people pay them.

Is that what I said? You’re twisting things again because that’s the standard tactic of the left. Straight out of Alinsky’s book.

I have a question. Why is obesity the largest health problem of the poor today? Does that strike you as odd?

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

Alright, this is ridiculous. Why would you ask how come someone wouldn’t go to a regular practitioner if you yourself didn’t have one after the age of 12?

[/quote]

Where did I ask that? I asked why you didn’t go to a ‘General Practitioner.’

[quote]
I call bullshit. Bullshit or stupid.[/quote]

I call idiot. I stopped seeing my regular family GP when I was twelve.

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A picture speaks a thousand words:

But not today.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

Alright, this is ridiculous. Why would you ask how come someone wouldn’t go to a regular practitioner if you yourself didn’t have one after the age of 12?

[/quote]

Where did I ask that? I asked why you didn’t go to a ‘General Practitioner.’

[quote]
I call bullshit. Bullshit or stupid.[/quote]

I call idiot. I stopped seeing my regular family GP when I was twelve.[/quote]

You’re completely BSing. Here is what our entire conversation has been in response to:

You wrote:

[quote]
Absolute nonsense. She could have gone to her General Practitioner or any Doctor that she wanted to see. [/quote] regarding a woman who had questions about sex and her anatomy. This implies a huge lack of knowledge on your part regarding what a person without medical insurance would deem a necessary medical expenditure. No one who’s gone without medical coverage would suggest that someone paying out of pocket for everything go to a General Practitioner to ask a question about the appearance of her anatomy, especially one who the article SPECIFICALLY states HAS NEVER GONE TO ANY DOCTOR BEFORE.

In addition, it’s uncanny that all of your ages that for various medical milestones “happen” to be the same as mine. “Oh you’ve been paying for everything since you were 14? Me too!” “You stopped seeing a regular doctor at age 12? Me too!”

Planned Parenthood does fill a need, as much as you are absolutely not going to admit that.

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Well, that didn’t work.

The USA is an outlier what this issue is concerned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teenage_birth_rate_per_1000_women_15?19,_2000-09.svg

No matter how you want to ‘demonise’ comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol, of the first world nations you have the most teenage pregnancies.

You are collectively paying for it in various ways, and if your taxdollars are so important, why not go the sensible and cheaper route of sex-ed and birthcontrol?

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
Well, that didn’t work.

The USA is an outlier what this issue is concerned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teenage_birth_rate_per_1000_women_15?19,_2000-09.svg

No matter how you want to ‘demonise’ comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol, of the first world nations you have the most teenage pregnancies.

You are collectively paying for it in various ways, and if your taxdollars are so important, why not go the sensible and cheaper route of sex-ed and birthcontrol?[/quote]

Here you go: http://www.new3rs.info/index.php?p=about_better

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Graph of teen pregnancy rate by country (for more graphs on abortion and live birth rate, click link above)

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Well, that didn’t work.

The USA is an outlier what this issue is concerned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teenage_birth_rate_per_1000_women_15?19,_2000-09.svg

No matter how you want to ‘demonise’ comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol, of the first world nations you have the most teenage pregnancies.

You are collectively paying for it in various ways, and if your taxdollars are so important, why not go the sensible and cheaper route of sex-ed and birthcontrol?[/quote]

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To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?

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[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
So you can’t even take care of your own basic healthcare needs and you want the productive members of society to ‘write the whole bill’ off? What can you do olee? Obviously you’re getting a very expensive pseudo-education at college - who pays for that olee? What have you learned so far that my fathers’ generation hadn’t learned by the time they left primary school? Is there anything that you can do by yourself without help from productive people olee? Anything?[/quote]

I’m honestly taken aback by the amount of hatred you have for people who are less well-off than yourself, especially CHILDREN who have no control over their circumstance.

We’re not talking about me today, we’re talking about a person who was dependent on others who couldn’t pay their bills. Even back then, I was paying taxes, working as much as the law would allow me, and paying for things that I guarantee you were not expected to pay for yourself at that age. In other words, my entire life, I have worked harder than the average person and I have gone quite far. I’ve never been on food stamps or social security, I had my own place at 17, and I’ve helped many others along the way, including my entire family and over 50+ foster-care kids.

I am currently paying for college with loans, just like the majority of citizens and I pay my own medical bills. But that’s beside the point.

Do you honestly want to hold CHILDREN responsible for the inability of their parents to provide?

[/quote]
Wow, Sexmachine is either very young or very sheltered, poor little Australian rich boy. . . [/quote]

Wrong guy. I’m from a working-class background. Been working since I was 14. Done a bit of everything. Anyway, I don’t look down on rich people. ‘Since when do (you) in America believe that (y)our society is made up of two diametrically opposed classes - one rich, one poor - both in a permanent state of conflict and neither able to get ahead except at the expense of the other? Since when do (you) in America accept this alien and discredited theory of social and class warfare? Since when do (you) in America endorse the politics of envy and division?’

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

Alright, this is ridiculous. Why would you ask how come someone wouldn’t go to a regular practitioner if you yourself didn’t have one after the age of 12?

[/quote]

Where did I ask that? I asked why you didn’t go to a ‘General Practitioner.’

[quote]
I call bullshit. Bullshit or stupid.[/quote]

I call idiot. I stopped seeing my regular family GP when I was twelve.[/quote]

You’re completely BSing. Here is what our entire conversation has been in response to:

You wrote:

[quote]
Absolute nonsense. She could have gone to her General Practitioner or any Doctor that she wanted to see. [/quote] regarding a woman who had questions about sex and her anatomy. This implies a huge lack of knowledge on your part regarding what a person without medical insurance would deem a necessary medical expenditure. No one who’s gone without medical coverage would suggest that someone paying out of pocket for everything go to a General Practitioner to ask a question about the appearance of her anatomy, especially one who the article SPECIFICALLY states HAS NEVER GONE TO ANY DOCTOR BEFORE.

In addition, it’s uncanny that all of your ages that for various medical milestones “happen” to be the same as mine. “Oh you’ve been paying for everything since you were 14? Me too!” “You stopped seeing a regular doctor at age 12? Me too!”

Planned Parenthood does fill a need, as much as you are absolutely not going to admit that.[/quote]

“regarding a woman who had questions about sex and her anatomy. This implies a huge lack of knowledge on your part regarding what a person without medical insurance would deem a necessary medical expenditure.”

Exactly. And if I’d have thought that I had a funny looking dick I wouldn’t have expected a state-funded abortion/promiscuity ‘service’ centre to fund my quest for a Doctor to reassure me.

“No one who’s gone without medical coverage would suggest that someone paying out of pocket for everything go to a General Practitioner to ask a question about the appearance of her anatomy, especially one who the article SPECIFICALLY states HAS NEVER GONE TO ANY DOCTOR BEFORE.”

Exactly. But you claimed it was virtually a life or death matter and that she could never marry if she didn’t know. See how you’re twisting things and changing course?

“In addition, it’s uncanny that all of your ages that for various medical milestones “happen” to be the same as mine.”

Not really. But if your only recourse is to call me a liar then good luck to you.

“Oh you’ve been paying for everything since you were 14? Me too!”

That’s when a lot of kids a paper-run. Not really a rarity.

“You stopped seeing a regular doctor at age 12? Me too!”

Yes, the last time I saw the family GP was when I was 12 and I started work at 14. Incredible story I know.

Anyway, before the class-warfare attack began you were supposed to be defending Planned Parenthood. And the question about why the most prevalent illness amongst the poor in the developed world is obesity.

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How about male contraceptives?

This one seems to work: http://malecontraceptives.org/methods/risug.php

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

Alright, this is ridiculous. Why would you ask how come someone wouldn’t go to a regular practitioner if you yourself didn’t have one after the age of 12?

[/quote]

Where did I ask that? I asked why you didn’t go to a ‘General Practitioner.’

[quote]
I call bullshit. Bullshit or stupid.[/quote]

I call idiot. I stopped seeing my regular family GP when I was twelve.[/quote]

You’re completely BSing. Here is what our entire conversation has been in response to:

You wrote:

[quote]
Absolute nonsense. She could have gone to her General Practitioner or any Doctor that she wanted to see. [/quote] regarding a woman who had questions about sex and her anatomy. This implies a huge lack of knowledge on your part regarding what a person without medical insurance would deem a necessary medical expenditure. No one who’s gone without medical coverage would suggest that someone paying out of pocket for everything go to a General Practitioner to ask a question about the appearance of her anatomy, especially one who the article SPECIFICALLY states HAS NEVER GONE TO ANY DOCTOR BEFORE.

In addition, it’s uncanny that all of your ages that for various medical milestones “happen” to be the same as mine. “Oh you’ve been paying for everything since you were 14? Me too!” “You stopped seeing a regular doctor at age 12? Me too!”

Planned Parenthood does fill a need, as much as you are absolutely not going to admit that.[/quote]

“regarding a woman who had questions about sex and her anatomy. This implies a huge lack of knowledge on your part regarding what a person without medical insurance would deem a necessary medical expenditure.”

Exactly. And if I’d have thought that I had a funny looking dick I wouldn’t have expected a state-funded abortion/promiscuity ‘service’ centre to fund my quest for a Doctor to reassure me.

“No one who’s gone without medical coverage would suggest that someone paying out of pocket for everything go to a General Practitioner to ask a question about the appearance of her anatomy, especially one who the article SPECIFICALLY states HAS NEVER GONE TO ANY DOCTOR BEFORE.”

Exactly.

“In addition, it’s uncanny that all of your ages that for various medical milestones “happen” to be the same as mine.”

Not really. But if your only recourse is to call me a liar then good luck to you.

“Oh you’ve been paying for everything since you were 14? Me too!”

That’s when a lot of kids a paper-run. Not really a rarity.

“You stopped seeing a regular doctor at age 12? Me too!”

Yes, the last time I saw the family GP was when I was 12 and I started work at 14. Incredible story I know.

Anyway, before the class-warfare attack began you were supposed to be defending Planned Parenthood. And the question about why the most prevalent illness amongst the poor in the developed world is obesity.[/quote]

You’re just not getting the whole education, disease prevention, first line of medical contact for hundreds of thousands of women thing. That’s fine. I have more important things to do than repeat the last three pages for another 15+

If anyone is interested about what the benefits of Planned Parenthood are, scroll back.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

Utter nonsense. Like Obama “saving” money in the ‘war on obesity’ by expanding bureaucracy and sending federal “agents” to enforce state-funded food and all sorts of other crap. America is going down the same path as Europe with rapidly escalating domestic spending - on healthcare in particular; a rapidly expanding bureaucratic class and a parasitic class destroying not only the country but the family unit and the very fabric of society. Together they form a permanent electoral majority that is destroying the country. Look at Greece. That’s where America is heading. And Canada.

From a report on Canada in The Economist: “Health spending, which is administered by the provinces, has increased from nearly 35 percent of their budget in 1999 to 46 percent today. In Ontario, the most populous province, it is set to reach 80 percent by 2030, leaving pennies for everything else the government does.”

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

I’m really tired of having this argument over and over again with middle class guys who’ve never gone without insurance a day in their life.

[/quote]

Well, I’m sure you must know all about me, my class and my insurance coverage.

[quote]
Tell me, how was I supposed to go see a regular doctor, given that my family made too much to qualify for medicare, but too little to have decent food to eat on all nights of the week? I worked as much as I was legally allowed to as a teenager while attending high school and I still didn’t have enough spare cash to pay for all of my own food and clothing all of the time. Even with insurance, a regular practitioner would have charged co-pay amounts that seem piddly to you, but are a big deal when you’re feeding a family of 3 on $5 a DAY (that’s a lot of top ramen and goolash, btw).

I would really like to know.[/quote]

Well, how about you doing it the same way you paid to see a Doctor when you had a chest infection and needed anti-biotics or any of the other things that you obviously did see a Doctor for at some stage in your life?[/quote]

You really don’t know about this, do you?

Okay, I will lay it out. Any time I had to go see an actual general doctor for anything, I paid out of pocket. This meant that I never went to a general doctor EVEN ONCE between ages 12-22. If I got sick, I waited it out in bed. I didn’t take any medicine between those ages. Not one antibiotic. Had I been grievously injured or deathly ill, my family would have gone into debt to take care of it. Thankfully that didn’t happen to any of us in those ten years. My mom was sick for several months on end at a few different points and she didn’t go to the doctor.

People who are poor don’t have a regular practitioner. They don’t go to the doctor for anything less than life-threatening symptoms and they pile up credit card debt when they do because they’re paying out of pocket for everything. The hospital might work out a deal, but it’s rare that the wipe the whole bill, and as I mentioned, even $20 is a big deal when you’re paying $5 a day to feed a family of 3.

I had one friend who spent the first 8 years of his adult life paying off his medical bills from when he broke some bones.

It’s sad that there’s such a big disconnect between the income levels out there that you have no clue what life is like for those who don’t make as much as you.

Also, why am I assuming that you make more that my family did and that you were of a higher income class? Because you assume that everyone has a general practitioner who they regularly get antibiotics from when sick. Only someone who’s always had that would make such an assumption.[/quote]

With all the obamacare changes, what differences would there be in what you said above?

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

No idea what you’re even talking about. [/quote]

The links Sloth provided. It talked about how showing pornography to children has neural repercussions. In order for those links to be relevant you have to equate sexual health material to pornography.

[/quote]
work the googles. pornography = “Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity.”
Visual material- Check. Explicit description or display of sexual organs - Check. Explicit description or display of sexual activity - Check. Yep, its porn.[/quote]

So I suppose you’re going to argue for the removal of uterus models from doctor’s offices? And for anatomy books to be banned from schools? We’ve apparently stepped back to the 14th century. Down with knowledge (if it’s deemed inappropriate by the Church). Absolutely the most ridiculous argument on this board to date. I’m not going to continue discussing this. All I’m going to say is that I’m thoroughly thankful that you’re a minority.[/quote]

wow, you are a serious bitch when someone disagrees with you. When did I say I was against removing anything from the doctors office? Thats right, i didnt you self righteous twit. When did I mention the church? Didnt. any other things you want to go on a pissy little tangent about?[/quote]

If you can’t understand how what you said implied that, that’s too bad.

As for me being a bitch, if pointing out your logic fail makes me one, I suppose I’ll accept the title.

As for the rest of your little rant, apparently I touched on a nerve.[/quote]

prithy explain how posting a definition from google is a “logic fail”? Its going to be hard, because you cant.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
To recap:

Comprehensive sex education and acces to birthcontrol result in lower teenage pregnancies and fewer abortions and that leads to fewer taxdollars spent the various programs that support underage mothers.

It’s a win/win situation!

I wonder why this isn’t sinking in with the guys on PWI?[/quote]

I agree. I’m not in favor of socialism. But I would rather support a system that prevents a growing problem than having to pay much more for the problem once it is too late.

And this is why I don’t understand why people who are more supportive of a capitalist system would not support Planned Parenthood. Anything that can help cut down on unwanted children, general dysfunction and MUCH more need for a safety net is a good thing.

For the record, I don’t like paying for other people either.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

I’m really tired of having this argument over and over again with middle class guys who’ve never gone without insurance a day in their life.

[/quote]

Well, I’m sure you must know all about me, my class and my insurance coverage.

[quote]
Tell me, how was I supposed to go see a regular doctor, given that my family made too much to qualify for medicare, but too little to have decent food to eat on all nights of the week? I worked as much as I was legally allowed to as a teenager while attending high school and I still didn’t have enough spare cash to pay for all of my own food and clothing all of the time. Even with insurance, a regular practitioner would have charged co-pay amounts that seem piddly to you, but are a big deal when you’re feeding a family of 3 on $5 a DAY (that’s a lot of top ramen and goolash, btw).

I would really like to know.[/quote]

Well, how about you doing it the same way you paid to see a Doctor when you had a chest infection and needed anti-biotics or any of the other things that you obviously did see a Doctor for at some stage in your life?[/quote]

You really don’t know about this, do you?

Okay, I will lay it out. Any time I had to go see an actual general doctor for anything, I paid out of pocket. This meant that I never went to a general doctor EVEN ONCE between ages 12-22. If I got sick, I waited it out in bed. I didn’t take any medicine between those ages. Not one antibiotic. Had I been grievously injured or deathly ill, my family would have gone into debt to take care of it. Thankfully that didn’t happen to any of us in those ten years. My mom was sick for several months on end at a few different points and she didn’t go to the doctor.

People who are poor don’t have a regular practitioner. They don’t go to the doctor for anything less than life-threatening symptoms and they pile up credit card debt when they do because they’re paying out of pocket for everything. The hospital might work out a deal, but it’s rare that the wipe the whole bill, and as I mentioned, even $20 is a big deal when you’re paying $5 a day to feed a family of 3.

I had one friend who spent the first 8 years of his adult life paying off his medical bills from when he broke some bones.

It’s sad that there’s such a big disconnect between the income levels out there that you have no clue what life is like for those who don’t make as much as you.

Also, why am I assuming that you make more that my family did and that you were of a higher income class? Because you assume that everyone has a general practitioner who they regularly get antibiotics from when sick. Only someone who’s always had that would make such an assumption.[/quote]

With all the obamacare changes, what differences would there be in what you said above?[/quote]

Honestly, it will be easier for people without funding to get surgeries. Other than that, I’m still trying to read up on it, but every time I google it, I just get a bunch of right-wing anti-Obamacare propoganda, without anything stating what the requirements are, what it will actually cover, etc.