Continuation on the Reproductive Rights Topic

Comprehensive sex education, which emphasizes the benefits of abstinence while also teaching about contraception and disease-prevention methods, has been proven to reduce rates of teen pregnancy and STD infection.

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/108729102320231144

"The American Psychological Association,[16] the American Medical Association,[17] the National Association of School Psychologists,[18] the American Academy of Pediatrics,[19] the American Public Health Association,[20] the Society for Adolescent Medicine[21] and the American College Health Association,[21] have all stated official support for comprehensive sex education. Comprehensive sex education curricula are intended to reduce sexually transmitted disease and out-of-wedlock or teenage pregnancies.

According to Emerging Answers 2007: Research Findings on Programs to Reduce Teen Pregnancy and Sexually Transmitted Diseases by Douglas Kirby, PhD, ?a large body of evaluation research clearly shows that sex and HIV education programs included in this review do not increase sexual activity ? they do not hasten the onset of sex, increase the frequency of sex, and do not increase the number of sexual partners."

"A report issued by the Department of Health and Human Services has found the “most consistent and clear finding is that sex education does not cause adolescents to initiate sex when they would not otherwise have done so.”[22] The same report also found that:

Family life or sex education in the public schools, which traditionally has consisted largely of providing factual information at the secondary school level, is the most general or pervasive approach to preventing pregnancy among adolescents…Adolescents who begin having sexual intercourse need to understand the importance of using an effective contraceptive every time they have sex. This requires convincing sexually active teens who have never used contraception to do so. In addition, sexually active teens who sometimes use contraceptives need to use them more consistently (every time they have sex) and use them correctly. [22]

Comprehensive sex education curriculums offer medical data that is presented in an age appropriate manner. A wide spectrum of topics is covered in these programs, which include abstinence, contraception, relationships, sexuality, and the prevention of disease (Siecus). The main focus is to educate youth so that they can make an informed decision about their own sexual activity and health. Studies have shown that the comprehensive programs work for youth population across the spectrum. Inexperienced, experienced, male, female, the majority of ethnic groups, and different communities all benefitted from this type of curriculum."

Everything is sourced.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

And it’s okay to equate sexual health material to pornography? Why? Because you say so?

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No idea what you’re even talking about. This is an obfuscation game is it? You were talking about sex education for children in schools. I gave you an example of state-funded and enforced sexual education for children.

That’s right.

Nothing. Who suggested it did? Why are throwing red herrings?

“Their” material? The sex-ed stuff from Germany? Did you read the quotes I posted from it above? Did you read the first few paragraphs of the link? What are you talking about?

[quote]therajraj wrote:

And places where comprehensive sex education is not taught and abstinence-only is instead, teen pregnancy rates are much higher than the national average.

So Why are you blaming comprehensive sex education for this?

'High school students and college-age adults have been complaining to District officials that the free condoms the city has been offering and not of good enough quality and are too small and that getting them from school nurses is “just like asking grandma or auntie.”

So DC officials have decided to stock up on Trojan condoms, including the company’s super-size Magnum variety, and have begun to authorize teachers or counselors, preferably male, to distribute condoms to students if the teachers complete a 30-minute online training course called ‘WrapMC’ - for Master of Condoms.

“If people get what they don’t want, they are just going to trash them,” said T. Squalls, 30 who attends the University of the District of Columbia. “So why not spend a few extra dollars and get what people want”’ - Washington Post

http://www.planetwire.org/files.fcgi/7689_Ab_Only_Ed_Kohler_.pdf

Teaching about contraception was not associated with increased risk of adolescent
sexual activity or STD. Adolescents who received comprehensive sex education had a lower risk of
pregnancy than adolescents who received abstinence-only or no sex education. �??�??�??�?�© 2008 Society for
Adolescent Medicine. All rights reserved.[/quote]

You didn’t look at the sources did you? You don’t care do you? It’s the Guttmacher pro-abortion institute studies and the CDC studies and all the same old suspects. Here’s another study -

A University of Pennsylvania study published in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine found that only one third of sixth- and seventh-graders who completed abstinence-focused programs had sex within the next two years, compared to nearly half of the students who attended other classes, including ones that taught combined abstinence and contraception.

Lila Rose of Live Action exposes the fact that Planned Parenthood doesn’t provide Mammograms. A Congressional investigation followed which led the Komen Foundation to decide to spend their money elsewhere on another organisation that does provide breast cancer services.

It has been discovered that Planned Parenthood, in the name of “education”, exposes children as young as the age of 10 to pornographic illustrations of masturbation, nudity, sexual activity, and a lot more.

107 criminal charges against Planned Parenthood Kansas going ahead

Abby Johnson Former Planned Parenthood Clinic Director - good video from someone who knows what really goes on.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Lila Rose of Live Action exposes the fact that Planned Parenthood doesn’t provide Mammograms. A Congressional investigation followed which led the Komen Foundation to decide to spend their money elsewhere on another organisation that does provide breast cancer services.

It has been discovered that Planned Parenthood, in the name of “education”, exposes children as young as the age of 10 to pornographic illustrations of masturbation, nudity, sexual activity, and a lot more.

107 criminal charges against Planned Parenthood Kansas going ahead

Abby Johnson Former Planned Parenthood Clinic Director - good video from someone who knows what really goes on.[/quote]

The 9 page article I posted actually addresses what’s happening in the beginning of that video. Read it.

Up to page four. Not sure why I’m reading it so far.

‘Sanger was abrasive and impatient and often heedless. She really did court eugenicists; at one point, the American Birth Control League discussed a merger with the American Eugenics Society. But Sanger was a socialist…’

‘Calderone left Planned Parenthood in 1964 to found the Sex Information and Education Council of the United States. She wanted to teach people how to talk about sex, because, as she once said, “People don’t have much of a vocabulary. Or a concept of anything, except fucking.” Alan F. Guttmacher, the chief of obstetrics at Mount Sinai Hospital and a clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Columbia, had become the president of Planned Parenthood in 1962.’

So when Planned Parenthood keeps citing the Guttmacher Institute studies they’re realy citing themselves. That’s what I’ve learned so far. I’ll finish the rest later.

Just finished reading it. Confirmed my opinions on Planned Parenthood. The last paragraph is very revealing:

‘Some of the patients she sees come for annual exams; some come because something’s wrong. Most don’t get any health care anywhere else. “A Muslim woman just came with her sister,” Steinle said. “She walked in; she had never been sexually active. She had a question about her anatomy. She had seen her sister naked once, and she didn’t look the same. I said, ‘Let’s do an exam.’ And she was fine. Everything was fine. ‘You are fine,’ I said, and she sighed with relief, her whole body sighed.” Steinle sank into her chair. “For ten years, she had been carrying this around with her, this fear that she would never be able to be with anyone.” Ten years. It was a long wait.’


Are you kidding me? The reason she is screwed up is - undeniably - because of her religion and culture. Nothing to do with a lack of Planned Parenthood Centers.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

No idea what you’re even talking about. [/quote]

The links Sloth provided. It talked about how showing pornography to children has neural repercussions. In order for those links to be relevant you have to equate sexual health material to pornography.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

“Their” material? The sex-ed stuff from Germany? Did you read the quotes I posted from it above? Did you read the first few paragraphs of the link? What are you talking about?[/quote]

Yes, WTF are you getting at with that link? This discussion is about Planned Parenthood and its comprehensive sex education program.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

You didn’t look at the sources did you? You don’t care do you? It’s the Guttmacher pro-abortion institute studies and the CDC studies and all the same old suspects. Here’s another study -

A University of Pennsylvania study published in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine found that only one third of sixth- and seventh-graders who completed abstinence-focused programs had sex within the next two years, compared to nearly half of the students who attended other classes, including ones that taught combined abstinence and contraception.[/quote]

Why don’t you do some comprehensive research on abstinence-only programs. You’ll find they’re an abysmal failure on the whole even if you found one study to support.

Edit: you don’t have a credible study that supports it.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

You didn’t look at the sources did you? You don’t care do you? It’s the Guttmacher pro-abortion institute studies and the CDC studies and all the same old suspects.
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So I guess all these places have an “agenda” too?

The American Psychological Association,[16] the American Medical Association,[17] the National Association of School Psychologists,[18] the American Academy of Pediatrics,[19] the American Public Health Association,[20] the Society for Adolescent Medicine[21] and the American College Health Association,[21] have all stated official support for comprehensive sex education. Comprehensive sex education curricula are intended to reduce sexually transmitted disease and out-of-wedlock or teenage pregnancies. According to Emerging Answers 2007: Research Findings on Programs to Reduce Teen Pregnancy and Sexually Transmitted Diseases by Douglas Kirby, PhD, â??a large body of evaluation research clearly shows that sex and HIV education programs included in this review do not increase sexual activity â?? they do not hasten the onset of sex, increase the frequency of sex, and do not increase the number of sexual partners."
Proponents of this approach argue that sexual behavior after puberty is a given, and it is therefore crucial to provide information about the risks and how they can be minimized. They hold that abstinence-only sex ed and conservative moralizing will only alienate students and thus weaken the message.

What about the Department of Health?

A report issued by the Department of Health and Human Services has found the “most consistent and clear finding is that sex education does not cause adolescents to initiate sex when they would not otherwise have done so.”[22] The same report also found that:
Family life or sex education in the public schools, which traditionally has consisted largely of providing factual information at the secondary school level, is the most general or pervasive approach to preventing pregnancy among adolescents…Adolescents who begin having sexual intercourse need to understand the importance of using an effective contraceptive every time they have sex. This requires convincing sexually active teens who have never used contraception to do so. In addition, sexually active teens who sometimes use contraceptives need to use them more consistently (every time they have sex) and use them correctly. [22]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

A University of Pennsylvania study published in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine found that only one third of sixth- and seventh-graders who completed abstinence-focused programs had sex within the next two years, compared to nearly half of the students who attended other classes, including ones that taught combined abstinence and contraception.[/quote]

In reply to your study:

Critics pointed out that the abstinence program used in the study was not representative of most abstinence programs; it did not take a moralistic tone, encouraged children to delay sex until ready instead of until married, did not portray extramarital sex as inappropriate, and did not disparage contraceptives. The sample groups were also exclusively African-American and therefore not demographically representative of the entire population.[17]

[quote]therajraj wrote:

The links Sloth provided. It talked about how showing pornography to children has neural repercussions. In order for those links to be relevant you have to equate sexual health material to pornography.

Yes, WTF are you getting at with that link? This discussion is about Planned Parenthood and its comprehensive sex education program.[/quote]

It’s state funded sex education enforced at schools for starters. However I mentioned Planned Parenthood directly in my next post which relates to Sloth’s video post which describes ‘a book for 10-year-olds with graphic images about how to masturbate, put on a condom and have sexual intercourse’ etc.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

So I guess all these places have an “agenda” too?

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Absolutely. That’s the part you don’t get.

Yes them too. Do you follow their food pyramid guide?

“Some claim that the USDA(and HHS) was and is unduly influenced by political pressure exerted by lobbyists for food production associations, in particular dairy and meat.”

Geez, I wonder what other lobbyists influence them? And the general brainwashing of society by the left since the 60’s. An the fraud that is academia today.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

In reply to your study:

Critics pointed out that the abstinence program used in the study was not representative of most abstinence programs;

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Critics? How unusual. Why is it not representative?

So it’s because black kids are not ‘demographically representative of the entire population?’ Nonsense claim. The study is teenage sex/pregnancy. Black kids get pregnant the same way white kids and everyone else does. If the program worked for them there is no reason why it would not also work with other ethnic/cultural groups. It’s not the type of study that needs to be demographically representative.

I can see only one reason why people [read men] would not want to educate children [girls] and deny girls [women] easy acces to birth control: to keep them tied to kids and the stove.

These men don’t want intelligent and independent women, they want docile and unquestioning bodies that warm the bed and cook their food.

[quote]ephrem wrote:
I can see only one reason why people [read men] would not want to educate children [girls] and deny girls [women] easy acces to birth control: to keep them tied to kids and the stove.

These men don’t want intelligent and independent women, they want docile and unquestioning bodies that warm the bed and cook their food.[/quote]

Liberals sexually molest horses. It’s the only reason I can think they’d be like they are.

They want to abolish abortion, make it difficult to get birth control, no sex education and abstinence-only programs.

What other conclusion is there?

[quote]ephrem wrote:
They want to abolish abortion, make it difficult to get birth control, no sex education and abstinence-only programs.

What other conclusion is there?

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The only thing you were right on was the first one. No one is trying to deny birth control to anyone, you are trying to force someone to provide it for them, huge difference. Birth control is available down at the local drug store, or walmart, or gas station, or gas station bathroom. No one has ever mentioned anything about denying anyone anything.

Your last statement, “no sex education and abstinence-only programs” is contradictory, so the idiocy of that kind of explains itself.

Now, if I may do the same to you. You are in favor of government controlled healthcare which essentially puts the government in control of your life because everything impacts health. You are in favor not only of birth control, but also making people who don’t want it buy it, then giving it to 10 year olds after you teach them proper oral and anal sex technique, while aborting as many babies as possible.

Did I get that right?

I think that makes you a pedophile, that is the only real reason I can think of for those beliefs.

Actually, it’s basically the same thing.