Conspiracy 9/11

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
jumper wrote:
Personally I am going to go with terrorist islamofags did it

Based on what? I’m not sure what it is about the “terrorist story” but the case for “terrorists” has progressively gotten weaker every single day since 9/11.

EVERY… EVERY, brand new piece of evidence points directly AWAY from a terrorist plot. Those are the FACTS, like it or not.

There is SO MUCH contrary information, no rational person can possibly look at the literally HUNDREDS of coincidences, blunders, warnings, miscues and physical impossibilities and conclude it was “19 lucky terrorists w/box cutters”.

Al Qaeda does not even exist as an organization, AND IT NEVER HAS…

After 9/11, Bush left our borders WIDE OPEN and we invaded I-R-A-Q…

U.S. Firms Aiding Iraqi Oil Industry - Commerce With Baghdad Grows Quietly as Washington Urges Regime Change
The Washington Post
February 20, 2000
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm

US says Halliburton Deal Includes Operating Iraq Oil Fields
WASHINGTON - The US Army has revealed for the first time that a subsidiary of Halliburton Co. has a contract encompassing the operation of Iraqi oil fields, a senior US lawmaker said.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0507-01.htm

Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad.

Obviously the “rational” story is that 19 bungling Arabs spent millions of dollars and several years training – who BTW tried everything they could to get busted it seems…

Maryland police release hijacker traffic stop video
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/08/inv.hijacker.video/index.html

Another hijacker was stopped for traffic violation
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/01/09/inv.hijacker.traffic.stops/

FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools

FAA Probed, Cleared Sept. 11 Hijacker in Early 2001

Government Had 2.5 Terabytes of Data on Atta
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=24

… and in the end these “teflon hijackers” do the ONE THING that this OIL administration wanted and NEEDED to start a PRE-PLANNED war with IRAQ?

How convenient.

Washington’s $8 Billion Shadow
…9/11 was a personal tragedy for thousands of families and a national tragedy for all of America, but it was very, very good for SAIC.

In the aftermath of the attacks, the Bush administration launched its Global War on Terror, whose chief consequence has been to channel money by the tens of billions into companies promising they could do something–anything–to help…

Unlike traditional wars, which eventually come to an end, the Global War on Terror as defined by the Bush administration can have no end: it is a permanent war–the perfect war for a company that has become an essential component of the permanent government…

Terrorism has become a growth industry – that’s why the US wants more of it.
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LOL!!! This tripe does not dignify a response.

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[quote]pookie wrote:

Universal, uncritical skepticism strikes me as an odd position to adopt.
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I resent that! My skepticism is hardly universal, and it is quite critical!

And I’ve been known to adopt much odder positions than that… a few left me sore for days.

:stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
pookie wrote:

Universal, uncritical skepticism strikes me as an odd position to adopt.

I resent that! My skepticism is hardly universal, and it is quite critical!

And I’ve been known to adopt much odder positions than that… a few left me sore for days.

:P[/quote]

Yeah, yeah. I see you cleverly avoided my lizardmen question. I’m still waiting for the kernel of truth from that one. And don’t tell me “some people have dry skin.”

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

  1. How does that happen and no one is held accountable for the gross negligence? Not a single person.

Read above.

I thought so. I didn’t expect an answer, because there is no logical answer.

My question is loaded with facts.

Actually, if you’d have attempted to go to the links I provided you, and then looked at the cited link within, you’d have a better understanding. What a pathetic response.[/quote]

I agree. Your response was pathetic. I looked at the links and found nothing but excuses.

Personally, I do not buy excuses. In my opinion they suck. I fire people from my call center if they do not answer a certain number of calls. People in the Bush administration a re responsible for gross negligence resulting in deaths, and no one is held accountable.

There is no excuse, rationale, reasoning, logic, or anything else to explain this to make it acceptable. It is unacceptable.

My preference is actions, not excuses. When people under my management fail to do their jobs, I am held accountable. That is the way it works. That is leadership. It is that simple.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Better to learn from the mistakes and not repeat them again. [/quote]

Yeah, you’d think!

On 9/11, I hoped the world will realize that in this day and age you can’t get away with oppressing and alienating people, and that we’ll finally achieve some kind of peace on Earth. The lesson was supposed to be that any evil you unleash will ultimately bite you right in the ass.

Bush did the exact opposite by invading Iraq.

So much for learning from mistakes…

The current approach of waging wars, throwing more money at the problem and confiscating lipsticks and sodas in airports amounts to applying a band-aid to a floody hemorrhage.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
1.How do 2 planes hit the twin towers, and 45 minutes later a plane strike the Pentagon, allegedly the most protected building in the nation, without being intercepted, while being tracked on radar the entire time by the vice president?

Because anticipated attacks were expected to come from overseas or from the external airspace and not from within?

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Dick Cheney was tracking the plane. They knew it was a hijacked plane. Watch the testimony of the people before the senate committee.

Yet fighter jets were allegedly scrambled to shoot down the “plane” that “crashed” in Pennsylvania?

Even though there are documented warnings, this was a suprise?

Actually, in the world of heirarchies, the person in charge is held accountable for the failure of his staff. it is that simple. I am held accountable for the performance, or lack thereof the people I manage. Why is the Bush administration different? People failed to perform their jobs. The Pentagon area is a no fly zone. there are jets on stand by to defend that zone, yet they were not available. That is a tragic failure to perform.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Yeah, yeah. I see you cleverly avoided my lizardmen question. I’m still waiting for the kernel of truth from that one. And don’t tell me “some people have dry skin.”
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All right, fine. Here are some terracotta figurines from the Late Neolithic Sumerian settlement of Al-Ubaid, Kirkuk, Iraq, circa 6000 BC. They clearly show evidence of human contact with a reptilian race, which was probably responsible for teaching the humans agriculture and animal husbandry.

The reptilian race still has secret bases in Kirkuk, cunningly disguised as oil refineries, and it was in order to wrest control of these bases (and the super-duper top secret Illudiom Pew36 Explosive Space Modulator hidden in a secret chamber) from Saddam Hussein that the Americans really invaded Iraq.

The evidence is all there. I don’t see why you people can’t see it!

(Have I earned my tinfoil hat yet, Justthefacts?)

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[quote]pookie wrote:

Because at that point people thought the tower hits might have been accidents?[/quote]

The first hit, probably. The second hit, not on your life.

As soon as I heard that the second tower had been hit in the same manner as the first, the words TERRORIST ATTACK flashed across my mind’s eye in big red letters.

Of course, if anybody in the Pentagon or White House had ever read “The Running Man,” written nearly twenty years earlier by Stephen King, they would have known that taking out a skyscraper with a commercial airliner is not an inconceivable tactic.

As they say in the Marine Corps: an officer may be forgiven for losing, but never for being surprised.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Dick Cheney was tracking the plane. They knew it was a hijacked plane. Watch the testimony of the people before the senate committee.[/quote]

Well, where they? What’s with the “alledgedly?” Aren’t there record showing whether or not those planes took off?

And what’s with the quotes? Wasn’t the plane a plane and didn’t it crash?

As I recall, some of the warning were of an attack being prepared. The warnings didn’t detail the exact modus operandi of the whole thing. Also, it’s more than likely than most of the various people who were making the decisions that day had not been briefed about those warning signs.

Responding to terrorist attacks is a bit more involved than running a call center, where you could probably be replaced with a spreadsheet.

There are a lot of people involved, and when faced with new situations, people sometimes make bad decisions or choose to err on the side of caution. On that day, it wasn’t the right decision; in other times, the Cuban missile crisis for example, holding back might have averted a nuclear war.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

And were they expecting to have to defend it against a civilian airliner? I’m sure a Russian Mig would’ve intercepted pronto. Deciding to shoot down an airliner filled with civilians is something else. There’s probably a lot of ass covering going on and asking up the chain of command… while all that takes place, that airliner is speeding at 500mph towards its target.

I’m not saying that what happened was unavoidable, or that a better outcome was impossible. But I can understand the reactions of many of the people involved that day. I’m sure if the same thing was tried a second time, it would fail spectacularly. Everyone, starting with the passenger, would be aware of that scenario and would react accordingly.

Unfortunately, next time the surprise will probably come from elsewhere.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
The first hit, probably. The second hit, not on your life. [/quote]

Really? One of the french channel news here first described the second hit as a news helicopter flying too close to the second building while filming the first and hitting it. I don’t know that their source was (could be their own ass AFAIK), but not everyone automatically assumed an attack, even after the second hit.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
They clearly show evidence of human contact with a reptilian race, which was probably responsible for teaching the humans agriculture and animal husbandry.[/quote]

Laughable. Everyone knows they taught us how to make spiffy handbags and boots and how to catch flies with our tongues (a skill which has since been forgotten).

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Bush did the exact opposite by invading Iraq.

So much for learning from mistakes…[/quote]

Did the extremists learn that attacking America leads to a lot of dead relatives and general worsening of an already shitty situation in their countries?

See? No one learns.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:

Dick Cheney was tracking the plane. They knew it was a hijacked plane. Watch the testimony of the people before the senate committee.
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Tell me, whose testimony are you relying on?
Mineta’s?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
pookie wrote:
Better to learn from the mistakes and not repeat them again.

Yeah, you’d think!

On 9/11, I hoped the world will realize that in this day and age you can’t get away with oppressing and alienating people, and that we’ll finally achieve some kind of peace on Earth.[/quote]

Wow…telling admission. In your words, on the very day of 9-11, this was what you thought about a terroristic attack purposefully targeted at civilians. An attack which killed thousands. And, an attack that killed many nationalities besides Americans. I don’t think you’re a terrorist, but I do think you’re an extremist.

Before anyone jumps on my case, how would Lixy take it if I said an attack on mecca, targeted at civilians, would demonstrate that you can’t get away with being an alarmingly violent and oppressive religion? And, that we’d finally achieve some peace on earth.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
pookie wrote:
Better to learn from the mistakes and not repeat them again.

Yeah, you’d think!

On 9/11, I hoped the world will realize that in this day and age you can’t get away with oppressing and alienating people, and that we’ll finally achieve some kind of peace on Earth.

Wow…telling admission. In your words, on the very day of 9-11, this was what you thought about a terroristic attack purposefully targeted at civilians. An attack which killed thousands. And, an attack that killed many nationalities besides Americans. I don’t think you’re a terrorist, but I do think you’re an extremist.

Before anyone jumps on my case, how would Lixy take it if I said an attack on mecca, targeted at civilians, would demonstrate that you can’t get away with being an alarmingly violent and oppressive religion? And, that we’d finally achieve some peace on earth.[/quote]

Thank you for catching that.

Lixy, you are transparent.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Wow…telling admission. In your words, on the very day of 9-11, this was what you thought about a terroristic attack purposefully targeted at civilians. An attack which killed thousands. And, an attack that killed many nationalities besides Americans. I don’t think you’re a terrorist, but I do think you’re an extremist.

Before anyone jumps on my case, how would Lixy take it if I said an attack on mecca, targeted at civilians, would demonstrate that you can’t get away with being an alarmingly violent and oppressive religion? And, that we’d finally achieve some peace on earth.[/quote]

I’m not about to jump on your case, Sloth. Instead, let me tell you what my initial reactions to the attack were.

After my rage and sorrow of watching the September eleventh attacks subsided somewhat, and my thirst for revenge came a little bit under control (I actually went to the Tokyo Embassy and told the captain of the Marine guards that I wanted to enlist and fight, only to be told that at 32 years of age, I was too OLD!), I took a long, hard look at what had happened, and came to the conclusion that September eleventh, monstrous atrocity though it was, was to a great extent really big ugly chickens coming home to roost.

I sincerely hope that this makes me neither a terrorist nor an extremist.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
In your words, on the very day of 9-11, this was what you thought about a terroristic attack purposefully targeted at civilians.[/quote]

As an aside, Sloth, all terrorist attacks, by definition, purposely target civilians.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Petedacook wrote:

Dick Cheney was tracking the plane. They knew it was a hijacked plane. Watch the testimony of the people before the senate committee.

Tell me, whose testimony are you relying on?
Mineta’s?[/quote]

Yes, I watched Mineta’s testimony. Dick Cheney was aware the plane was hijacked, and watched it on radar.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sloth wrote:
In your words, on the very day of 9-11, this was what you thought about a terroristic attack purposefully targeted at civilians.

As an aside, Sloth, all terrorist attacks, by definition, purposely target civilians.[/quote]

I realized the redundancy, and still chose to run with it. It’s for emphasis…

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[quote]pookie wrote:
A bunch of excuses.
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Like I said, excuses do not fly. Actions fly.

If you do not believe me, then ask the recently fired US attorneys, or the people that fired them.

It seems the claim is that they were being held accountable, right? Their negligence did not result in a single death, yet they were fired, just like that out of the blue. Deomcrats in congress still do not know exactly why the US attorneys were fired. Is that really acceptable?

In contrast, the gross negligence that allowed a plane to strike the Pentagon 45 MINUTES after the 2nd plane hit the twin towers caused no one to get fired, let go, asked to step down, slapped on the hand, or any other public disciplinary action. It seems that negligence is just accepted.

To that I ask, WTF!?

It is that simple. Accountability. How can you not question this type of shit?