Consipracy Theory with Jesse Ventura

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
horsepuss stated on a thread entitled “Brave New World Or 1984” the following:

12-15-2009, 08:17 PM
horsepuss
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[quote]This article hits the nail on the head of how I believe this world is run by secret societies and the wealthy.

Loved reading it and intend to pick up those books, Thanks Headhunter[/quote]

You are overly distrustful of our government and hence believe that the US government is capable of blowing up the twin towers and killing its own citizens.

I should have added one more thing to my four prong theory, those who are distrustful conspiracy theorists rarely think they are. Almost like that fat guy you know who has no idea that he’s fat. Yea you know the guy I’m talking about.

Some people don’t fully understand where they fall as they think that their reasoning is legitimate and very logical.

Keep in mind I only looked at ONE of his posts.
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Overly distrustful would mean that you really think that Bush is a shape shifting reptile.

Everything else has already happened once and will happen again.

There is nothing new under the sun and yes, it can happen in America too.

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Yes, of course it “can” but it didn’t.

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Funny thread

Ironic though, that ZEB is the herald of reason.

I have a knack for all kinds of wierd theories, but conspiracies tend to irritate me.
People watch too much damn TV, reality doesn’t work like that.
Alexis Jones is beyond help. If Jesse is like that, he’s an uneducated loon.

That said, I completely understand the deep seated frustrations of many guys who see how unpopular or “unfitting” explanations tend to be disregarded automatically by the establishment.
To fuel one’s determination and anger with this is one of the most important male attributes, one that is noble and dangerous at the same time.

But it still doesn’t make 9.11 an inside job. Not by a longshot.

Perhaps government should run another investigation, one that is as transparent as it gets (perhaps even a bit like a wiki) to silence the “truthers”.
but then, 1) it could never manage to do that as any result will be laughed at by said hobby agents; 2) it gains zero from it; and 3) government is, in essence, opposed to work transparently.

[quote]orion wrote:
Overly distrustful would mean that you really think that Bush is a shape shifting reptile.
Everything else has already happened once and will happen again.

There is nothing new under the sun and yes, it can happen in America too.
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That I dispute very much.

It’s one of the vilest lies, recited in a matter-of-fact, nonchalent motion
nothing new under the sun, history repeates itself

Quite the opposite, I say

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Funny thread

Ironic though, that ZEB is the herald of reason.

I have a knack for all kinds of wierd theories, but conspiracies tend to irritate me.
People watch too much damn TV, reality doesn’t work like that.
Alexis Jones is beyond help. If Jesse is like that, he’s an uneducated loon.

That said, I completely understand the deep seated frustrations of many guys who see how unpopular or “unfitting” explanations tend to be disregarded automatically by the establishment.
To fuel one’s determination and anger with this is one of the most important male attributes, one that is noble and dangerous at the same time.

But it still doesn’t make 9.11 an inside job. Not by a longshot.

Perhaps government should run another investigation, one that is as transparent as it gets (perhaps even a bit like a wiki) to silence the “truthers”.
but then, 1) it could never manage to do that as any result will be laughed at by said hobby agents; 2) it gains zero from it; and 3) government is, in essence, opposed to work transparently.

[quote]orion wrote:
Overly distrustful would mean that you really think that Bush is a shape shifting reptile.
Everything else has already happened once and will happen again.

There is nothing new under the sun and yes, it can happen in America too.
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That I dispute very much.

It’s one of the vilest lies, recited in a matter-of-fact, nonchalent motion
nothing new under the sun, history repeates itself

Quite the opposite, I say[/quote]

Human nature does not change, no matter how many new shiny toys we have.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Funny thread

Ironic though, that ZEB is the herald of reason.[/quote]

I’m always the voice of reason. That you’ve just recognized this means that you’re getting sharper as we move forward :slight_smile:

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[quote]orion wrote:
Human nature does not change, no matter how many new shiny toys we have.
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You can refute this from many angles.

Primo: the shiny toys and it’s socio-chemical implications matter a la phenotypic plasticity. A blue lotus can suddenly bloom yellow in the alps, even when it’s ancestors were never remotely near that region.

Secundo: Shiny toys matter also in so far that they can pretty mch define human nature. Of course, if you can define human nature, then go forth and claim the nobel prize, cause nobody could do that, but I say things or inventions or better, progress defines our character as much as how our supposedly “pure humane behaviour” makes use of it.
They say the japanese warrior soul rests in the nihonto- now that it’s gone, where’s the soul? (cellphones? Karaoke machines?)

Tertio: Forced evolution. while you usually deal with millions of years in that department, humankind is kinda special here. From experiments with higher mammals, we know that severe changes can pop up easily in 10-20 generations, if someone cuts out nature with a firm hand. I’m not even talking about genetic drift, the complexity of human migration and mating rituals that cut out selection as we usually understand it for the most part, etc.

Quarto: Human behaviour, much like evolution, is characterized by a dualistic struggle Individual vs Group.
Most -isms are useless because they half-heartedly try to predict or influence group behaviour when it’s just intellectual masturbation on an individual level. But group behaviour pretty much dictates individual behaviour. And it rarely functions the other way around.
You can loathe the atomic bomb and it’s pretty useless on an individual scale, but in the hands of a group it changes history forever.
Fact is, group behaviour is even trickier then individual behaviour and it’s easily influenced by “shiny things”, which in turn then influence human nature on an individual scale, and quite mercilessly I’d say.

…that alone should suffice.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, you know, when people claim it’s super-suspicious that objects fall straight downwards under the pull of gravity when no longer supported, and make that fact allegedly-important evidence for their theory, judgment does get called into question.[/quote]

No, not at all, we completely agree that when things are no longer supported they would fall straight down, we just don’t buy that the supports of the building magically all failed at the same time due to fire. They obviously all failed at the same time, that we are not questioning at all. (building 7)…[/quote]

It didn’t fail all ‘at once.’

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Funny thread

Ironic though, that ZEB is the herald of reason.[/quote]

I’m always the voice of reason. That you’ve just recognized this means that you’re getting sharper as we move forward :slight_smile:

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You’re interesting in so far that you won’t admit, no matter what, your permanent intellectual self-circumcision that is your religion. And on the other hand try to educate, even enlighten people about false conclusions quite insistently (if there is such a word;)

Honestly: I’d like you a lot more if you came out of the cold-turkey-atheist-closet one day.

That’d make my day, really. No, strike that, that would make me genuinely happy.

p.s. in case we won’t meet again this year, happy sun-rebirth!
May Sol Invictus, Horus, Amaterasu and Ahura Mazda shine mercifully upon you and your family.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Funny thread

Ironic though, that ZEB is the herald of reason.[/quote]

I’m always the voice of reason. That you’ve just recognized this means that you’re getting sharper as we move forward :slight_smile:

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You’re interesting in so far that you won’t admit, no matter what, your permanent intellectual self-circumcision that is your religion. And on the other hand try to educate, even enlighten people about false conclusions quite insistently (if there is such a word;)

Honestly: I’d like you a lot more if you came out of the cold-turkey-atheist-closet one day.

That’d make my day, really. No, strike that, that would make me genuinely happy.

p.s. in case we won’t meet again this year, happy sun-rebirth!
May Sol Invictus, Horus, Amaterasu and Ahura Mazda shine mercifully upon you and your family.[/quote]

Schwarzfahrer, you’ve always been a credit to T Nation, even though we’ve not always agreed. You’re consistent, smart, aggressive and you always try to bring the facts with you. But, my friend, you’re wrong regarding your position on Christianity. This isn’t the thread to discuss it but someday I’d like to convince you of the error of your ways. :wink:

And, a Merry Christmas to you and yours, or if you prefer Happy Holidays.

Zeb

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I wouldn’t bother trying to explain reality to 9/11 “truthers”. You are wasting your time.

Merry Christmas to all.

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Sloth no fair using the truth here! Only suspicion and rumor are allowed!!!

So what does everybody think was being hidden in WTC 7? We’ve got some pretty good guesses so far.

Maybe the document showing where Jimmy Hoffa is living at?

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[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Sloth no fair using the truth here! Only suspicion and rumor are allowed!!!

So what does everybody think was being hidden in WTC 7? We’ve got some pretty good guesses so far.

Maybe the document showing where Jimmy Hoffa is living at?[/quote]

You guys are just being funny now, so much for actuall discussion.

Well my guess is building 7 had the one and only copy of Marilyn Monroe and JFK’s sex tape.

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Elvis has left the building. Not sure where he is now.

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For fun, JFK and Marilyns Sex tape, which is interrupted halfway through with elvis entering the room, and then turning into a tentacle monster alien who tentacle rapes JFK and Marilyn. Thus proving JFK affair, That Elvis is still alive and that he is actually an alien whose species is bound and determined to conquer us by way of tentacle rape. Thus proving aliens exist also.

For realz, I don’t know, perhaps there was a room or two in the building where evidence of thier misdeeds went. Maybe someone eventually said, hey you know if any of this stuff is ever found the major shit is going to hit the fan. And maybe along with other goals which had been planned, like advancing the police state by faking an attack so people would beg to give up thier freedoms for security and control, Maybe they just saw it as an opportunity to clean out some things. I mean anyone who can’t see that as a possibility has thier head in the sand. The best thing is, through all this, the only people who are more protected, are those who are in power. There is not one measure that has been done that makes any of us any safer. Yet, now they can just call me an enemy combatant and wisk me away never to be seen again. Hell I’d doubt if they even labelled me at this point.

V

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The show replays tonight at 9p Global warming. New episode at 10p with Big Brother. Great show…would love to hear your guys opinions.

Did anyone see the global warming one??

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[quote]robmartinez09 wrote:
The show replays tonight at 9p Global warming. New episode at 10p with Big Brother. Great show…would love to hear your guys opinions.

Did anyone see the global warming one??[/quote]

Yes. Maurice Strong (if I remember) is quite the interesting character. Why’d he move to Beijing? Who’s running China?

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More on Maurice Strong:

"In 1947, at the age of only 18, he is listed as a member of the Secretariat of the United Nations in New York. Here, he (supposedly) first met David Rockefeller and learned that the UN’s funds were handled by Rockefeller’s Chase Bank. He also met the other Rockefeller brothers and other influential people as well. Although Strong kept his UN job only two months, he met very influential people through Noah Monod. According to the National Council for Science and the Environment: "He [Maurice] first worked with the United Nations as a junior officer in 1947, when he was just eighteen, and returned in 1970 to lead the Conference on the Human Environment in Geneva, after which he became the executive director of the UN’s environmental program…

"Through his creation and direction of CIDA, Strong controlled the implementation of aid programs on the ground – including who was hired to do the work, and through the newly created IDRC (by his mentor Lester Pearson), Strong controlled the issuance of tax deductible certificates and the distribution of both private foundation money as well as government money.

"From 1971, he served as a trustee for the Rockefeller Foundation and the Aspen Institute. Later also served as an advisor to the Rockefeller Foundation and a member of the Club of Rome. Secretary-general of the U.N. Conference on the Human Environment, the ‘Stockholm Conference’, which took place in 1972. First executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) in Nairobi, Kenya 1973-1975. Co-founder of the WWF in Canada and a trustee until at least the 1970s. Also served as an advisor to the WWF. Supposedly fingered the initial Canadian members of the 1001 Club and is/was a member himself.

May 15, 2005, Pittsburgh Live: “A near-compulsive talker, one item about which Strong is almost taciturn is his relations with China’s elite. Strong does not mention his late cousin Anna Louise Strong. The Marxist journalist was a member of the Comintern and spent two years with Chairman Mao. Her funeral in 1970 was organized personally by Chou En-lai, China’s prime minister. Some claim that Strong arranged the Nixon-Kissinger initial meetings with the Chinese. However, Strong makes full use of Cousin Anna’s memories among Beijing’s elite and has had excellent relationships with the Chinese for 30 years.”

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[quote]HG Thrower wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The Eiffel tower isn’t the World Trade Center, and no one cut through one leg of the WTC.

If you loaded the upper parts of the Eiffel tower with massive amounts of concrete, and then in the middle softened all the girders progressively with heat, though with some of course weakening more than others, then yes, when the tower reached the point of no longer being unable to hold the load, it would all rapidly come down in one pile.[/quote]

Where do you get the information to be able to claim this? I mean are you just using your own logic principles and thoughts on physics & Building engineering or are you actually going of some event that happened prior to 9-11? Or since even?

V[/quote]

V, I suggest you read through this:

I’m a practicing engineer with past experience in structural steel design, and I can vouch for the science. PM doesn’t have some agenda, and isn’t part of some big conspiracy. The conspiracy nuts don’t understand steel construction, and have clearly not performed a real structural analysis on the building design. A building like the WTC is a very complex and precise design, and altering just a few key components (ie. by weaking through heat) can cause a “domino effect” as other components fail to pick up the loads. The reason you haven’t heard of other skyscrapers coming down due to fire is because no other skyscrapers have been hit with large aircraft and ignited with thousands of gallons of jet fuel. Normal fires don’t do that kind of damage, and they can usually be contained and localized by the building’s fire supression systems.[/quote]

Clearly someone got to PM…