Consipracy Theory with Jesse Ventura

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
horsepuss stated on a thread entitled “Brave New World Or 1984” the following:

12-15-2009, 08:17 PM
horsepuss
Level 2

[quote]This article hits the nail on the head of how I believe this world is run by secret societies and the wealthy.

Loved reading it and intend to pick up those books, Thanks Headhunter[/quote]

You are overly distrustful of our government and hence believe that the US government is capable of blowing up the twin towers and killing its own citizens.

I should have added one more thing to my four prong theory, those who are distrustful conspiracy theorists rarely think they are. Almost like that fat guy you know who has no idea that he’s fat. Yea you know the guy I’m talking about.

Some people don’t fully understand where they fall as they think that their reasoning is legitimate and very logical.

Keep in mind I only looked at ONE of his posts.

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I believe in secret society’s, There is no question about that.But why do secret society’s mean the government.Couldnt there be a group behind the GVNMT, just a thought.

Read all my posts, you got lucky and clicked on a recent one.

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http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/b/f/bfd2f_ORIG-core_column_stubs_at_ground_zero_2604_20071205_80.jpg

What about the section of the pentagon that got hit being under construction and empty.

“Some 24-thousand people work in the Pentagon. Initial reports soon after the terrorist attack said a hijacked American Airlines jet ploughed into the military complex that was under construction”.- The Pentagon

I think this picture speaks for itself, That beam didnt break off that way it was cut.See the melted steel dripping down.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
What about the section of the pentagon that got hit being under construction and empty.

“Some 24-thousand people work in the Pentagon. Initial reports soon after the terrorist attack said a hijacked American Airlines jet ploughed into the military complex that was under construction”.- The Pentagon

I think this picture speaks for itself, That beam didnt break off that way it was cut.See the melted steel dripping down.[/quote]

Picture taken from which site (i’m curious to know)?

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[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
What about the section of the pentagon that got hit being under construction and empty.

“Some 24-thousand people work in the Pentagon. Initial reports soon after the terrorist attack said a hijacked American Airlines jet ploughed into the military complex that was under construction”.- The Pentagon

I think this picture speaks for itself, That beam didnt break off that way it was cut.See the melted steel dripping down.[/quote]

Picture taken from which site (i’m curious to know)?[/quote]

I actually just googled “wtc ground zero” IMAGES but I went back and it is a conspiracy website, i have seens pics like this before that is why I searched it.

search it in images and it is on the first page.

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There was a pretty good show on Nat Geo regarding pretty much all of the claims made by conspiracy theorists. Here are a few clips: National Geographic TV Shows, Specials & Documentaries

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Video of WTC 7 and the pic is WTC building 3 the hotel, it got ripped apart when building 2 fell on it yet it is still standing, why? Maybe cuz it wasnt on fire right.

Which brings the question, Why was WTC 7 on fire in the first place

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Im watching Dijon’s video and at 2:31 seconds the guy sticks some det cord into a hole that has been sprayed bright orange, the same color that is on the upright beam to the right of the firefighter in the pic I posted.

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Regardless of what side you all are on. And it does seem to have degenerated into a factious argument. Questioning is not a bad thing. Sometimes it takes a radical to reach the moderate road. Ive watched alex jones videos and other of the sort, zeitgeist… but be open to all and do your own research after. Specifically with the Zeitgeist movie, i researched dieties and the federal reserve. Question, but also research.

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read this

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I’m talking about buildings 1 & 2 and the conversation always goes to the rest of the compound? This never ceases to amaze me.

The rest of the building on the site were done with a traditional construction method. The towers were a new style with a central support and and exterior skeleton. Which made their building costs lower due to them not using so much thick steel.

The rest of the buildings surrounding used a traditional surrounding skeleton (like when you played with legos as a kid). This partially explains why other buildings were still standing (see OKC). As for why they were on fire I can’t answer as I haven’t researched it (I haven’t done much looking into buildings 3 & 7).

Maybe some of the others can speak to this.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:

[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
What about the section of the pentagon that got hit being under construction and empty.

“Some 24-thousand people work in the Pentagon. Initial reports soon after the terrorist attack said a hijacked American Airlines jet ploughed into the military complex that was under construction”.- The Pentagon

I think this picture speaks for itself, That beam didnt break off that way it was cut.See the melted steel dripping down.[/quote]

Picture taken from which site (i’m curious to know)?[/quote]

I actually just googled “wtc ground zero” IMAGES but I went back and it is a conspiracy website, i have seens pics like this before that is why I searched it.

search it in images and it is on the first page.

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And that guys website the pic was from a blog for the “Conservative Revolutionary American Party”. Tried doing a little research and the only thing for them is a one man blog. I with he would have credited where he borrowed the pic from.

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Building 7 is the only building worth talking about. You will never get anyone who believes the official story to think that 747’s hitting buildings would not cause them to collapse. Hell I still think they could have come down on thier own.

Maybe there were demolitions placed just in case, maybe there wasn’t. Building 7 was pulled, that is the one farthest away from the collapse of the towers. And it sustained minimal damage. It housed several HIGLY important government agencies. CIA, FBI, etc… that building was more important to the government than the twin towers were.

V

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:

I believe in secret society’s, There is no question about that.But why do secret society’s mean the government.Couldnt there be a group behind the GVNMT, just a thought.

Read all my posts, you got lucky and clicked on a recent one.[/quote]

And I believe that you fall into one of my categories “conspiracy theorists who distrust the government”. Your most recent post further clarifies my contention. You think there is nothing wrong with thinking that there are secret societies controlling the government (nods head).

Okay.

Thank you.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
And, Zeb’s point was that 9/11 conspiracy theorists are either young, have a low IQ, have an extreme over-the-edge distrust of government, or have a profit motive, or good questions.

Not that you must combine them all at the same time :slight_smile: [/quote]

fixed.

On a totally unrelated note, I wonder if the citizens in Germany that ren around warning that some crazy party is trying to take over. Surely they were labeled Conspiracy Nuts and granted most also were executed. [/quote]

I know (reasonably confident) that you are smart enough to realize that there are exceptions to the rule. For example, if I say that every conspiracy theory ever launched is wrong, I’d be wrong. Obviously, there were people sitting around in Germany claiming that a guy named Adolf was going to try to take over the world. That however does not mean that the people sitting around claiming that Bush blew up the towers are correct. Or, are you saying that ALL conspiracy theorists are correct?

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You actually got out of my post, exactly what i was hoping a reader would get. No not all Conspiracy theories are correct. Conversely they’re not all incorrect either. We will just never know.

As of now i can easily reach for some historical examples. The Government allowed our citizens to use the Lucitenia while it was a secret supply ship. They needed an “incident” to sway public opinion. Well it worked.

Except the German Embassy bought ads in the papers of the time to warn US the way our government didn;t warn us. How odd. Letting your citizens walk into harms way to change public opinion to favor your agendas. Hmmmmm. Nope. Never would happen in a million years.

That’s one example. It honestly makes me think. Really hard.

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I’m sitting here wondering what did the young, the ignorant, the conspiracy theorists and those motivated by profit do BEFORE the Internet?

I am very serious. I wonder how much of this nonsense feeds on itself. In other words if there were no Internet someone would have a crazy notion but no one to share it with. His brother in law would think he’s crazy so he just shuts his mouth and moves on with his life. But with the introduction of the Internet we have these four groups merging into almost one voice, making a racket. And not unlike the pink elephant that is standing in your driveway, it can’t be ignored. Too bad, really too bad, but we take the good with the bad when it comes to modern advances in technology.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
And, Zeb’s point was that 9/11 conspiracy theorists are either young, have a low IQ, have an extreme over-the-edge distrust of government, or have a profit motive, or good questions.

Not that you must combine them all at the same time :slight_smile: [/quote]

fixed.

On a totally unrelated note, I wonder if the citizens in Germany that ren around warning that some crazy party is trying to take over. Surely they were labeled Conspiracy Nuts and granted most also were executed. [/quote]

I know (reasonably confident) that you are smart enough to realize that there are exceptions to the rule. For example, if I say that every conspiracy theory ever launched is wrong, I’d be wrong. Obviously, there were people sitting around in Germany claiming that a guy named Adolf was going to try to take over the world. That however does not mean that the people sitting around claiming that Bush blew up the towers are correct. Or, are you saying that ALL conspiracy theorists are correct?

[/quote]

You actually got out of my post, exactly what i was hoping a reader would get. No not all Conspiracy theories are correct. Conversely they’re not all incorrect either. We will just never know.

As of now i can easily reach for some historical examples. The Government allowed our citizens to use the Lucitenia while it was a secret supply ship. They needed an “incident” to sway public opinion. Well it worked.

Except the German Embassy bought ads in the papers of the time to warn US the way our government didn;t warn us. How odd. Letting your citizens walk into harms way to change public opinion to favor your agendas. Hmmmmm. Nope. Never would happen in a million years.

That’s one example. It honestly makes me think. Really hard. [/quote]

But we’re back to where we began are we not? Sometimes governments to bad things and people suspect them of doing bad things. But usually the US will not blow up buildings with 3000 citizens in them.

Why am I having this conversation? (eye roll)

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:

I believe in secret society’s, There is no question about that.But why do secret society’s mean the government.Couldnt there be a group behind the GVNMT, just a thought.

Read all my posts, you got lucky and clicked on a recent one.[/quote]

And I believe that you fall into one of my categories “conspiracy theorists who distrust the government”. Your most recent post further clarifies my contention. You think there is nothing wrong with thinking that there are secret societies controlling the government (nods head).

Okay.

Thank you.
[/quote]

Distrust the GVNMT 100%, No.Distrust the GVNMT alittle, Certainly.

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Just out of my own incessant curiosity (and to further my own theories on why people believe nutty things) how many of you believe the following:

  1. The government covering up information regarding UFO’s landing in Roswell (or anywhere else for that matter)?

  2. The moon landing being faked.

  3. Elvis still being alive (this is one to separate government conspiracy theorists from the average everyday conspiracy theorist).

Also, if you would like to add any of your favorite conspiracy theories not covered here, I’d be most happy to read them.

Thank you in advance for your honest answers.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
And, Zeb’s point was that 9/11 conspiracy theorists are either young, have a low IQ, have an extreme over-the-edge distrust of government, or have a profit motive, or good questions.

Not that you must combine them all at the same time :slight_smile: [/quote]

fixed.

On a totally unrelated note, I wonder if the citizens in Germany that ren around warning that some crazy party is trying to take over. Surely they were labeled Conspiracy Nuts and granted most also were executed. [/quote]

I know (reasonably confident) that you are smart enough to realize that there are exceptions to the rule. For example, if I say that every conspiracy theory ever launched is wrong, I’d be wrong. Obviously, there were people sitting around in Germany claiming that a guy named Adolf was going to try to take over the world. That however does not mean that the people sitting around claiming that Bush blew up the towers are correct. Or, are you saying that ALL conspiracy theorists are correct?

[/quote]

You actually got out of my post, exactly what i was hoping a reader would get. No not all Conspiracy theories are correct. Conversely they’re not all incorrect either. We will just never know.

As of now i can easily reach for some historical examples. The Government allowed our citizens to use the Lucitenia while it was a secret supply ship. They needed an “incident” to sway public opinion. Well it worked.

Except the German Embassy bought ads in the papers of the time to warn US the way our government didn;t warn us. How odd. Letting your citizens walk into harms way to change public opinion to favor your agendas. Hmmmmm. Nope. Never would happen in a million years.

That’s one example. It honestly makes me think. Really hard. [/quote]

But we’re back to where we began are we not? Sometimes governments to bad things and people suspect them of doing bad things. But usually the US will not blow up buildings with 3000 citizens in them.

Why am I having this conversation? (eye roll)
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So you acknowledge yourself governments will do bad things. Just not bad enough to kill 3k people. I see. But 10’s of millions of people Killed By Stalin is believable. But not 3K. Oh wait, It’s because this is the USA.

The Spanish American War. How did the USA start it? And now we all know it was a mistake and a bad pretext for war. Evidence surfaced after a long time. So in this case again, we see shady business in order to sway the public opinion of a democratic society to BEG the government to go to war and kick their asses. lol. Works every time.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’m sitting here wondering what did the young, the ignorant, the anti-conspiracy theorists and those motivated by them do BEFORE the Internet?

I am very serious. I wonder how much of this nonsense feeds on itself. In other words if there were no Internet someone would have a crazy notion but no one to share it with. His brother in law would think he’s crazy so he just shuts his mouth and moves on with his life. But with the introduction of the Internet we have these four groups merging into almost one voice, making a racket. And not unlike the pink elephant that is standing in your driveway, it can’t be ignored. Too bad, really too bad, but we take the good with the bad when it comes to modern advances in technology.

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And why is this BAD? It’s good. It keeps the spot light on the shady roaches. Right or wrong those in power should always be under healthy suspicion. ALWAYS.

Giving in and becoming relaxed and sheepish is more your style then mine perhaps.