Say it like it is tiny, I’m not allowed for the reasons you describe (well, I’m allowed but it isn’t worth the diatribe)… 
ProfessorX,
Great post!!!
Come now, I never called you a traitor. You ARE misguided and wrongheaded.
I don’t consider that to meet the criteria for treason.
I do need to highlight one of your delusions. You and some bitter Europeans/Canadians think it is somehow permissible to attack the administration and claim that there is some disconnect between the Administration and the people.
I have a news flash for you: The majority of Americans believe in the Administration.
Therefore, when you make your standard attacks, you are insulting most Americans.
Got it?
Great!!!
JeffR
P.S. Have a Kerry-free day!!!
So, I have ATTACKED the administration by voicing an opinion that does not agree with every detail of it? In other words, America doesn’t want independant thinkers, it now wants puppets that agree with everything the current administration says and does? This is funny coming from a group of people who think they embody the essence of “T-Man”. You all don’t want thought or development, you want followers. Wow. Bush did a number on you.
Pro X,
“That seems to be running rampant lately, the attitude that you are either with us, or you are a traitor to the country if you don’t agree with the current administration’s every move or post signs in your front lawn that you are conservative. Regardless, you stated your position well in this last post. I have to give you credit for that.”
This is false. There has been this hysterical paranoia among Bush critics that they are under some sort of intelluctual witch hunt for their beliefs, and it simply isn’t true.
I’ve seen most of spewed out of Hollywood when prominent actors were complaining that they were victims of censorship. It has continued unabated.
Pre-election, go into Bush country with a John Kerry t-shirt and you would have faced, by and large, differing degrees of indifference. Go to devout Kerry country with a Bush t-shirt on - different story altogether.
We’ve gone from claims of outright calls for hanging Bush’s critics to, by your most recent post, indirect insinuation of anti-Americanism from a small minority of folks here.
And with JeffR’s explanation, we are left with nothing more than fantasies of persecution.
“…the attitude that you are either with us, or you are a traitor to the country if you don’t agree with the current administration’s every move or post signs in your front lawn that you are conservative”
I suspect that your hypersensitivity is to blame rather than actual evidence of charges of anti-Americanism.
Moreover, if your argument centers on attacking Americans for voting for Bush in the first place, your idea is fair game - be prepared to defend it.
Professor:
Where did I state that someone was “un-American” for disagreeing with the President? Further, I never stated that because “most Americans voted for Bush you (or anyone) are insulting them by criticizing the administration.” Show me where I stated that?
I have told vroom repeatedly that he needs to echo a more positive note in some of his posts, because as he has stated he believes that there is quite a bit right about America. He has done that on occasion.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
ProfessorX,
…
I have a news flash for you: The majority of Americans believe in the Administration.
Therefore, when you make your standard attacks, you are insulting most Americans.
Got it?
Great!!!
JeffR
P.S. Have a Kerry-free day!!!
[/quote]
The current population of the USA is 294,800,569, give or take. Assuming that the percentage of voters for Bush/Kerry reflects the opinion of the population that did not vote, the majority you speak of, being 51% in this case, would represent 150,348,290 Americans, correct? So, you are saying that Prof X et al. are insulting 150,348,290 Americans when they attack the administration.
By my calculations, that means 141,504,273 people (48%) support Kerry. It seems you have not written a post in months that has not attacked Kerry. Why is it OK for you to insult 141 million+ Americans, but unacceptable for others to insult 150 million+ Americans?
You can play the same game with actual voters. 59,459,765 people voted for Bush, 55,949,407 for Kerry. While you seem very concerned about a possible insult to the 59 million, you yourself regularily insult the 55 million (according to your logic). Again, why is this OK?
As I’m sure you’ll note, I’m just a Canadian, but I think it’s a valid question.
[quote]flee wrote:
JeffR wrote:
ProfessorX,
…
I have a news flash for you: The majority of Americans believe in the Administration.
Therefore, when you make your standard attacks, you are insulting most Americans.
Got it?
Great!!!
JeffR
P.S. Have a Kerry-free day!!!
The current population of the USA is 294,800,569, give or take. Assuming that the percentage of voters for Bush/Kerry reflects the opinion of the population that did not vote, the majority you speak of, being 51% in this case, would represent 150,348,290 Americans, correct? So, you are saying that Prof X et al. are insulting 150,348,290 Americans when they attack the administration.
By my calculations, that means 141,504,273 people (48%) support Kerry. It seems you have not written a post in months that has not attacked Kerry. Why is it OK for you to insult 141 million+ Americans, but unacceptable for others to insult 150 million+ Americans?
You can play the same game with actual voters. 59,459,765 people voted for Bush, 55,949,407 for Kerry. While you seem very concerned about a possible insult to the 59 million, you yourself regularily insult the 55 million (according to your logic). Again, why is this OK?
As I’m sure you’ll note, I’m just a Canadian, but I think it’s a valid question.
[/quote]
I couldn’t have said it better.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
www.rasmussenreports.com/Broadcast%20Bias.htm
I’ll prove your point for you.
Fox was viewed as having as much right wing bias as the other networks were viewed as being left-wing.
But does that make Fox any less a news org. that the other networks? A look at the ratings would suggest that people like this right-wing stuff exponentially more than they like the same-old same-old from the left wing shills.
So in other words, you credit them as a news organization because people flock to controversy? This is the reason sales for Destiny’s Child’s Cd’s went up when they kicked two girls out of the group. Ratings now dictate worthy news reporting? I won’t deny that ratings are what any news program desires and shoots for, but that doesn’t indicate who has more worthy skills at reporting and remaining unbiased while showing both sides to a story. This is the same reason people listen to shock jocks on the radio and stare at car wrecks on the freeway.[/quote]
I thought the sales went up because of Beyonce’s booty shakin’
[quote]JeffR wrote:
ProfessorX,
When you insult the Administration, you insult most Americans.
Stop it.
JeffR[/quote]
Bwhahahahaha!!! OMG!
[quote]JeffR wrote:
ProfessorX,
Great post!!!
Come now, I never called you a traitor. You ARE misguided and wrongheaded.
I don’t consider that to meet the criteria for treason.
I do need to highlight one of your delusions. You and some bitter Europeans/Canadians think it is somehow permissible to attack the administration and claim that there is some disconnect between the Administration and the people.
I have a news flash for you: The majority of Americans believe in the Administration.
Therefore, when you make your standard attacks, you are insulting most Americans.
Got it?
Great!!!
JeffR
P.S. Have a Kerry-free day!!!
[/quote]
Maahan… are you delusional! Keep it coming though…you provide me with daily laughs!
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
I thought the sales went up because of Beyonce’s booty shakin’[/quote]
Wrong. Beyonce’s booty has clearly grown along with their popularity. That is why I support them. Soon, her booty will be so “booty-licious” that no one on Earth will be able to stop that shakin’. I suggest you do the same.
flee,
Thanks for the great post!!!
I clearly said MOST. Yep, that’s the majority.
I’ll work this out for you.
There are sour-grapes Democrats/ Europeans/Canadians who verbally attack the Administration. What most of us (with the exception of you, perhaps) realize, is that they are also attacking the majority of Americans.
Get it? The attacks on this Administration (especially by foreigners) is interpreted by most of us as an attack upon the U.S.
Yes, there are many people who would have rather deffered to your opinions rather than make our own security decisions. In case you have missed this point: They control exactly zero of our branches of government.
They are relegated to the sidelines until they shape up.
Thanks for your input!!!
JeffR
Of course, Jeff misses the whole point. What a clueless kool-aid drinking nutbar.
P.S. I’m attacking Jeff, not the administration and not the US, so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.
You actually think like this on a daily basis? And many others like you are who voted for Bush? That is almost scary. Let me know when you catch the point of that post instead of writing more BS. This election was nearly split down the middle. That means no one is attacking AMERICANS if they voice an opinion that doesn’t agree with the administration. Nearly half of the AMERICANS also voted for Kerry. No one is denying that Bush won the election. What I don’t get is how, suddenly, no opinion is valid unless it agrees with the current administration. As stated before, you all want a country full of puppets and followers.
Hey liberals! Your opinion is valid! You are all very wise and many look up to you. Can you get off it now?
How come none of you were claiming the country is “split” when Clinton won twice, both times in a three way race. Also, both times he garnered less than 50% of the vote!
All of three of these more recent Presidential elections were closer than Bush/Kerry:
Carter/Ford - Nixion/Kennedy - Nixon/Humphrey
What’s the point? The point is whoever won we didn’t have a bunch of cry babies running around the country (or in message boards) claiming that “almost half the country voted the other way.” I have news for you: in a democracy that’s the way it works!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You actually think like this on a daily basis? And many others like you are who voted for Bush? That is almost scary. Let me know when you catch the point of that post instead of writing more BS. This election was nearly split down the middle. That means no one is attacking AMERICANS if they voice an opinion that doesn’t agree with the administration. Nearly half of the AMERICANS also voted for Kerry. No one is denying that Bush won the election. What I don’t get is how, suddenly, no opinion is valid unless it agrees with the current administration. As stated before, you all want a country full of puppets and followers.[/quote]
Nearly half voted for Kerry. I think he got a larger percentage of the vote than Clinton did in 1996 - yet he still lost.
Not only did the left lose the presidential race for the 7th time in the last 10 elections, they’ve lost seats in congress for the 3rd straight election.
This is a trend that is likely to continue until the left realizes that they are not being beaten by an evil right wing conspiracy. They are being beaten at the local level where people are exercising their right to vote, and more often than not voters are choosing republican candidates.
The press - as it has traditionally been defined - has been shown to be little more than propaganda machines for the party of their choice. I believe the slant is something like 88% democrat.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth you hear isn’t really that of the left being silenced because they lost - it is from the press coming to the realization that their propaganda has been exposed. They now have to compete with that bastard son of pop-culture - the Internet. How dare people share facts and ideas without the ordination of the ‘press’?
[quote]JeffR wrote:
flee,
Thanks for the great post!!!
I clearly said MOST. Yep, that’s the majority.
I’ll work this out for you.
There are sour-grapes Democrats/ Europeans/Canadians who verbally attack the Administration. What most of us (with the exception of you, perhaps) realize, is that they are also attacking the majority of Americans.
Get it? The attacks on this Administration (especially by foreigners) is interpreted by most of us as an attack upon the U.S.
Yes, there are many people who would have rather deffered to your opinions rather than make our own security decisions. In case you have missed this point: They control exactly zero of our branches of government.
They are relegated to the sidelines until they shape up.
Thanks for your input!!!
JeffR[/quote]
Jeff, if you’d care to re-read my post, it’s very clear I understood the logic you were using, even if I feel it was invalid. I’ll try putting this another way, in what I’m sure will be a failed attempt to get you to actually answer the question:
According to you, ‘Democrats/ Europeans/Canadians’ attacking the administration is interpretted as an attack on those who support the Bush administration, and therefore against the U.S. itself. My question, again, is this: if insulting Bush insults 51% of the U.S., and is therefore an insult to the entire nation, why is insulting the preferred administration (Kerry et al.) of 48% of the nation OK? Are these people not part of the U.S. because their party didn’t win? Is it OK to insult the minority? Furthermore, didn’t Gore have more of the popular vote in 2000? If so, when you insulted democrats between 2000 and 2004, you were (according to your reasoning) attacking the U.S. itself. Why was it OK then?
ps: Don’t worry, I live in Canada where we have a Kerry-free day every day!!!
flee,
I have nothing else to add to my earlier posts.
I wanted to make the point that when you are attacking the Administration as if it is a seperate entity from the majority of the population, you are trully insulting the majority of us.
Most of us can see right through this.
I’m sorry, but the leadership/rank/file of the Democrats are so far in looney land, that I don’t lose sleep about them being insulted.
It’s been wonderful talking to you flee!!!
JeffR
Zeb,
I don’t think the media is such a big leftist propaganda machine. If it was, surely it would be more effective than it is – based on the stats you just quoted.
Either that or conservatives simply don’t pay attention to media at all… heh, draw your own conclusions from that inference. 
[quote]vroom wrote:
Zeb,
I don’t think the media is such a big leftist propaganda machine. If it was, surely it would be more effective than it is – based on the stats you just quoted.
Either that or conservatives simply don’t pay attention to media at all… heh, draw your own conclusions from that inference. ;)[/quote]
How about CBS and Rather-gate? How about CBS, the NYT, and the however-many tons of unguarded weapons/explosives? How about Bush’s DUI charge that came out just days before the election in 2000.
The WaPo, LA Times, NYT CBS, NBC, ABC - all of these orgs worked to help Kerry in his bid for the Whitehouse.
It’s not that the conservatives don’t listen to media at all…they’re just doing what millions of people are doing - finding their news from other sources.
You pretty much just made my point for me, vroom. The traditional elitist media sources are getting left behind by a large block of former listeners, readers and watchers. This is causing them to blame something other than themselves for their abject failure. The scapegoat, this week, happens to be the mindless sheeple of middle america, and their diabolical leaders - Bush and Rove.
The elite media has been joined by the company of the elite left - they just don’t get it.