Consequences For Fighting Arrest?

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
summa wrote:
Who you are fighting, how many there are, and how you act when the police show up can affect the outcome.
Example: I fought seven 15-16 year old kids with skateboards. I was defending myself from an attack but ended up chasing them down the street where the police were waiting. The kids fought better than anyone I have ever seen fight. They had weapons and they were tough. I would have been charged if I pressed charges. Pretty screwed up since they should have been locked up. And before someone rips into me, I did not start this. I am a finisher not a starter.

So, let me get this straight. You were being attacked by 7 teenagers who had weapons, were tough and fought better than anyone you’ve seen fight and YOU chased THEM away? Something doesn’t add up here. Were they armed with these…

DB [/quote]

Morning Coffee…all over the computer. LOL.

[quote]TACHICK wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
MNguns wrote:
Anyone here been arrested for fighting?

What happens?
Go to jail, spend a night. Maybe a court appearance?

Tonight I almost got into a scuffle w/ an @$$hole and a trainer @ the gym.

Man, theres a couple times in life, some punks just need to be cracked in the jaw!!!

I’m curious what the consequences are after?

How can it screw you over? It’s not a felony, so it cant realy mess up your employment record.

So what, you spend a night in jail, maybe a fine and or court appearance, maybe some com. service. No big deal!

You’re an idiot. Was this meant to sound tough? You’ve taken the time to think about it and post it, and it still seems like a logical solution.

1.) It could easily, EASILY, escalate to felony status.

2.) You could get your ass handed to you.

I guess if getting smacked down, getting arrested and having a record–you do know that people go to jail for crimes that aren’t felonies, right. I suppose you have plenty of money for the lawyer the court costs and possible restitution if you do manage to get a punch in and hurt someone.

Obviously you have no reason to be proud of your character or what people think of you or your family if none of this even remotely pauses you to think that there may be some ramifications for such an action.

Please do us all a favor and throw that first punch, I mean, the guy was probably doing curls in the squat rack right?

Being a former “jailbird” myself…I have never been to jail for fighting, just b/c I got MY ass kicked (dom. violence), a b/s TPO that was never even VALID in the first place, and b/c I tried to get my stuff out of my house.

Yeah, it makes me wanna cry when I think about how much damn money and time I’ve had to spend to get this mess (and my now record) cleared up. I’ve even lost out on some really good job prospects b/c of this shit. Jail is a piece of cake, specially the women’s units.

90% of the chicks I was in jail with were in there b/c their old men beat the everluvin f*ck outta them, and their dudes WERE NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO GO SPEND ANY TIME IN JAIL! And our wonderful govt. wonders why women crack and kill their abusive bf’s/husbands.

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The reason that women kill their men is because women are psycho. It has been proven that given the opportunity, women are much more likely to kill, and feel a lot less remorse about doing so.

It is taught time and time again in criminal justice classes that when an officer is called to a domestic violence call, that to fear the women more then the men. This is also because men most of the time have some muscle to hurt people with, but most women really don’t. Because of this fact, many women resort to the use of lethal violence, because it doesn’t take very much skill or strength to pull the trigger on a .38 special.

If you don’t beleive me about women being violent, think about it this way, if two women get in a fight, they are enemies permanently or at least for a long time. If two men get in a fight, they are likely to be drinking together the next night.

Also, normally in domestic violence situations, its the men that go to jail. This is because of the way people are socialized as kids, most of us are taught that women are nice and men are mean. Because of this, responding officers often assume the man is at fault, and feel the need to take him to jail.

In Kansas, unless it is a very minor situation, when their is a domestic violence call, the officers are required to take someone to jail, even if the victim doesn’t want to press charges. Then, normally, it becomes a matter for the county or disctrict attorney to look into, and they press charges.

Domestic violence charges are actually very serious, they prevent you from owning a handgun, and possibly a long gun too, (little fuzzy on that) and will prevent you from working in law enforcement or corrections. Domestic violence call outs are some of the most dangerous call-outs officers have, and most generally, officers absolutely hate domestic violence calls.

Unless one party is completely the victim, some officers take both parties to jail. This is a good idea, and sometimes wakes the people up. It at least allows them to sober up, because often alcohol is involved. A little bit of anger is normal in a relatioship, but people shouldn’t hit one another. It is sad that children have to witness their parent drunk and hitting each other.

As far as jails being easier on women, that may be true. However, Women are much harder to control in prison. If you tell a man he has to lock up, (go to his cell) he most often times will. Women seem to need justification to do this.

Also, when women are locked up together, they end up “cycling” together, which can make that time of the month HELL on the correctional officers. Also, interestingly enough, prison sex in male populations is 25%, but in female populations is 50%.

Female inmates are also likely to have more extreme levels of inmate on inmate violence. They don’t fight as much, but they fight harder when they do, and at least in kansas, you can almost bet that 75% of the female inmates have a shenk. (homemade knife)

All that being said, female sherriff’s deputies are about the hottest thing on earth.

Terribly sorry for the hijack, but I would also like to say that female correctional officers are also extremely hot.

[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
I think Pussyvania sounds better…[/quote]

Oh, come on man!

Take Conneticut, and throw in an N before the last T. :wink:

Never got fisticuffs eh? Have you ever done martial arts, wrestling, or any form of combat sports or training (i.e. military)?

If you think that the only thing that makes you a good fighter is some good numbers on the bench press, you are going to get wrecked.

please do yourself a favor and forget about it.

[quote]MNguns wrote:
Maxx power,

Good reply. Yeah some pricks need an ass whoopn. Won’t be me. But some day some one will get em.

Hell I’m going on 27, and realy haven’t ever been in a fight. [/quote]

I like the cop on the bike, she’s really cute, but the one in lock down doesn’t do it for me.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
summa wrote:
Who you are fighting, how many there are, and how you act when the police show up can affect the outcome.
Example: I fought seven 15-16 year old kids with skateboards. I was defending myself from an attack but ended up chasing them down the street where the police were waiting. The kids fought better than anyone I have ever seen fight. They had weapons and they were tough. I would have been charged if I pressed charges. Pretty screwed up since they should have been locked up. And before someone rips into me, I did not start this. I am a finisher not a starter.

So, let me get this straight. You were being attacked by 7 teenagers who had weapons, were tough and fought better than anyone you’ve seen fight and YOU chased THEM away? Something doesn’t add up here. Were they armed with these…

DB [/quote]

OK guys, I can see your points. It would sound like bs to me also but it is 100% true. They had skateboards as weapons but they were 15-16. I was 24, a solid 230 lbs, I was used to getting a beating by playing rugby, and I do not give up. Were they stronger than anyone I had ever fought? Not a chance.

All 7 were much weaker than me alone but they would not stop. The reason I said they were good fighters is because they surrounded me and hit from behind. This was very impressive in my mind. You would usually expect a few guys to get scared but none of them did. I had to go to the hospital for stitches.

You would probably find my other story on another thread as unbelievable as this one but I never lie. Not even to my wife!

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
At least in PA, that is not even close to true. You have to make a reasonable attempt to escape, with the level of violence having to be extremely high and the ability to escape non-existant before you can claim self defense.

The reasoning is this- If you feared for your safety to such a degree, you should have tried to escape before doing ANYTHING else. Violent self defense is the last resort. At least around here.
I’m sure it varies from state to state.
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Good point and thanks for sharing your story. I hope PA isn’t really gonna uphold this strictly, I mean c’mon, they really just expect people to run away from fights? Can you really imagine yourself RUNNING away? The act of escape can easily open yourself up for violent attacks. I think PA’s argument against violent self defense can easily be countered in the court.

[quote]oriensus wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
At least in PA, that is not even close to true. You have to make a reasonable attempt to escape, with the level of violence having to be extremely high and the ability to escape non-existant before you can claim self defense.

The reasoning is this- If you feared for your safety to such a degree, you should have tried to escape before doing ANYTHING else. Violent self defense is the last resort. At least around here.
I’m sure it varies from state to state.

Good point and thanks for sharing your story. I hope PA isn’t really gonna uphold this strictly, I mean c’mon, they really just expect people to run away from fights? Can you really imagine yourself RUNNING away? The act of escape can easily open yourself up for violent attacks. I think PA’s argument against violent self defense can easily be countered in the court.[/quote]

No, not very easy. The attorney who explained this to me is now a judge on PA state superior court. This is his reasoning.

I don’t necessarily agree with it either, but to plead self defense, you have to have a very compelling arguement.

[quote]oriensus wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
At least in PA, that is not even close to true. You have to make a reasonable attempt to escape, with the level of violence having to be extremely high and the ability to escape non-existant before you can claim self defense.

The reasoning is this- If you feared for your safety to such a degree, you should have tried to escape before doing ANYTHING else. Violent self defense is the last resort. At least around here.
I’m sure it varies from state to state.

Good point and thanks for sharing your story. I hope PA isn’t really gonna uphold this strictly, I mean c’mon, they really just expect people to run away from fights? Can you really imagine yourself RUNNING away? The act of escape can easily open yourself up for violent attacks. I think PA’s argument against violent self defense can easily be countered in the court.[/quote]

Many states besides PA have similar laws.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
oriensus wrote:

Good point and thanks for sharing your story. I hope PA isn’t really gonna uphold this strictly, I mean c’mon, they really just expect people to run away from fights? Can you really imagine yourself RUNNING away? The act of escape can easily open yourself up for violent attacks. I think PA’s argument against violent self defense can easily be countered in the court.

No, not very easy. The attorney who explained this to me is now a judge on PA state superior court. This is his reasoning.

I don’t necessarily agree with it either, but to plead self defense, you have to have a very compelling arguement.
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Man, has mental castration taken up a notch that I don’t know about? Now males are expected to RUN AWAY as a form of self defense?! This really hits a fucking nerve with me. Anyway, it’s not the judge one would need to convince what’s wrong or right, it’s the jurors.

The argument against violent self defense may sound good on paper, but I strongly feel it won’t fly if things were taken to court where you defend and illustrate clearly to the jurors of your case - assuming your case really is about self defense.

In Texas, you can still get shot if you act up too much.

Yes, and texas has one of the highest incarceration rates, and the highest death row rates. Good old texas. In fact, I think in texas its still a misdemeanor to drive while black. Do you guys still drag speeders out of their vehicles and beat them with your batons?

[quote]oriensus wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
oriensus wrote:

Good point and thanks for sharing your story. I hope PA isn’t really gonna uphold this strictly, I mean c’mon, they really just expect people to run away from fights? Can you really imagine yourself RUNNING away? The act of escape can easily open yourself up for violent attacks. I think PA’s argument against violent self defense can easily be countered in the court.

No, not very easy. The attorney who explained this to me is now a judge on PA state superior court. This is his reasoning.

I don’t necessarily agree with it either, but to plead self defense, you have to have a very compelling arguement.

Man, has mental castration taken up a notch that I don’t know about? Now males are expected to RUN AWAY as a form of self defense?! This really hits a fucking nerve with me. Anyway, it’s not the judge one would need to convince what’s wrong or right, it’s the jurors.

The argument against violent self defense may sound good on paper, but I strongly feel it won’t fly if things were taken to court where you defend and illustrate clearly to the jurors of your case - assuming your case really is about self defense.
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You sure do have a lot of faith in our judicial system. What if the jurors are afraid of stereotypes and the guy who defended himself just happens to be very muscular? God forbid he be a minority if most of the jurors were not.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
oriensus wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
oriensus wrote:
Man, has mental castration taken up a notch that I don’t know about? Now males are expected to RUN AWAY as a form of self defense?! This really hits a fucking nerve with me. Anyway, it’s not the judge one would need to convince what’s wrong or right, it’s the jurors.

The argument against violent self defense may sound good on paper, but I strongly feel it won’t fly if things were taken to court where you defend and illustrate clearly to the jurors of your case - assuming your case really is about self defense.

You sure do have a lot of faith in our judicial system. What if the jurors are afraid of stereotypes and the guy who defended himself just happens to be very muscular? God forbid he be a minority if most of the jurors were not. [/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
oriensus wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
oriensus wrote:

Good point and thanks for sharing your story. I hope PA isn’t really gonna uphold this strictly, I mean c’mon, they really just expect people to run away from fights? Can you really imagine yourself RUNNING away? The act of escape can easily open yourself up for violent attacks. I think PA’s argument against violent self defense can easily be countered in the court.

No, not very easy. The attorney who explained this to me is now a judge on PA state superior court. This is his reasoning.

I don’t necessarily agree with it either, but to plead self defense, you have to have a very compelling arguement.

Man, has mental castration taken up a notch that I don’t know about? Now males are expected to RUN AWAY as a form of self defense?! This really hits a fucking nerve with me. Anyway, it’s not the judge one would need to convince what’s wrong or right, it’s the jurors.

The argument against violent self defense may sound good on paper, but I strongly feel it won’t fly if things were taken to court where you defend and illustrate clearly to the jurors of your case - assuming your case really is about self defense.

You sure do have a lot of faith in our judicial system. What if the jurors are afraid of stereotypes and the guy who defended himself just happens to be very muscular? God forbid he be a minority if most of the jurors were not. [/quote]

The minority thing is SO true. Sadly our society still has deeply ingrained racial prejudices, sometimes we judge people by their skin and we don’t even know it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
oriensus wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
oriensus wrote:

Man, has mental castration taken up a notch that I don’t know about? Now males are expected to RUN AWAY as a form of self defense?! This really hits a fucking nerve with me. Anyway, it’s not the judge one would need to convince what’s wrong or right, it’s the jurors.

The argument against violent self defense may sound good on paper, but I strongly feel it won’t fly if things were taken to court where you defend and illustrate clearly to the jurors of your case - assuming your case really is about self defense.

You sure do have a lot of faith in our judicial system. What if the jurors are afraid of stereotypes and the guy who defended himself just happens to be very muscular? God forbid he be a minority if most of the jurors were not. [/quote]

Yeah, god forbid if the “victim” is some one like Bob Sapp and the offender is some one built like Stephen Hawking. Look, there’s too many variables here to put into argument and we can come up with endless scenarios about the defender, offender, the jurors and how the incident unfolds…blah, blah, blah… so I’m not gonna get into an argument about this.

This is just how I feel: again, provided that your case really is about self defense, the defender should be able to prevail with the jurors MOST of the time. I’ll take my chances.

I do like to make one thing clear though, I’m not advocating that fighting is the only way, you do whatever you think it’s right in a given situation which includes running away. My beef is that you’re expected to run away as the ONLY option, that’s just straight up castration through the mind.

[quote]summa wrote:
Who you are fighting, how many there are, and how you act when the police show up can affect the outcome.
Example: I fought seven 15-16 year old kids with skateboards. I was defending myself from an attack but ended up chasing them down the street where the police were waiting. The kids fought better than anyone I have ever seen fight. They had weapons and they were tough. I would have been charged if I pressed charges. Pretty screwed up since they should have been locked up. And before someone rips into me, I did not start this. I am a finisher not a starter.[/quote]

lol… you are such a bad ass

reminds me of when I faught 50 powerlifters they knew Kung Fu they had ak47’s but I chased them down the street they were ninjas so the chase lasted 100 miles before I killed them with a super round house kick to the face

[quote]n3wb wrote:
summa wrote:
Who you are fighting, how many there are, and how you act when the police show up can affect the outcome.
Example: I fought seven 15-16 year old kids with skateboards. I was defending myself from an attack but ended up chasing them down the street where the police were waiting. The kids fought better than anyone I have ever seen fight. They had weapons and they were tough. I would have been charged if I pressed charges. Pretty screwed up since they should have been locked up. And before someone rips into me, I did not start this. I am a finisher not a starter.

lol… you are such a bad ass

reminds me of when I faught 50 powerlifters they knew Kung Fu they had ak47’s but I chased them down the street they were ninjas so the chase lasted 100 miles before I killed them with a super round house kick to the face

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What about the time you punched a fat disabled kid in the face and got kicked out of school? Tell us that story too.

[quote]n3wb wrote:
summa wrote:
Who you are fighting, how many there are, and how you act when the police show up can affect the outcome.
Example: I fought seven 15-16 year old kids with skateboards. I was defending myself from an attack but ended up chasing them down the street where the police were waiting. The kids fought better than anyone I have ever seen fight. They had weapons and they were tough. I would have been charged if I pressed charges. Pretty screwed up since they should have been locked up. And before someone rips into me, I did not start this. I am a finisher not a starter.

lol… you are such a bad ass

reminds me of when I faught 50 powerlifters they knew Kung Fu they had ak47’s but I chased them down the street they were ninjas so the chase lasted 100 miles before I killed them with a super round house kick to the face

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Wimp. I fought 100 people and a bear at the same time once.