Coming Back From the Dead

Hey Cav.
Remember some times we just can’t do as much as we did the time before. It is temporary!
Don’t be so hard on yourself. Why did you start lifting? Are you committed to getting to your goal? Listen to your body. What is really going on? (physically). Go back over your logs and look at your accomplishments, are you going to let one bad deadlift bring you down? And now your upset about it and it’s affecting your other lifts. Maybe you should pick a weight you KNOW you can crush and show yourself how easy it can be?

One of the reasons I like 5/3/1 is that Wendler has worked out a way to compare different weights and rep schemes for a lift. I wouldn’t say you are weaker now. I would say that at that point in time you were weaker, let’s see what happens next time and don’t worry about it until it happens 3 or 4 weeks in a row.

[quote]cavalier wrote:
I appreciate everyone’s attempt to help . . . but everyone has different advice. Is this just shooting in the dark, hoping something will help? Do I keep experimenting over and over, hoping to find something by shear accident?[/quote]

Exactamoondo! Body type, genetics, degree of development, past history of injury, last time you got some, will all play a part in what system works for you. Much as the authors of these lifting programs may want you to think, one size don’t fit all. I’m pretty much still using what I learned in the 70’s. Maybe one of the new systems would give me better gains but I’ve developed a system that suits my needs. And the pale one was right when he said you can’t pr everyday.

Keep your chin up buckaroo! This shit can be frustrating as hell, I know.
Everyone gave me different advice about my DL form for a while. HIPS UP HIPS DOWN LOOK UP LOOK STRAIGHT, aHHH!

What do I DO?! Who do I listen to?
WEll, I dunno. Everyday I go in and tinker around and sometimes it feels good and sometimes it feels wrong, but I’m there, and I’m trying.
You’re always trying! A lot of people might have thrown in the towel by now.
I think you’ll be alllllright kiddo.

[quote]cavalier wrote:

Snap, you’ll have no idea how hard I bit my tongue to keep from responding when I saw Up pumping a long, hard bar between her legs . . . besides, you were the one who reminded me of that machine.

Huh? this never happened.

I wont give any advice as I think it has to come from within. Although I like alot of what
advice and encouragement you did get!

[quote]hel320 wrote:
[Much as the authors of these lifting programs may want you to think, one size don’t fit all. [/quote]
Absolutely. I am always astounded by people who think there’s one program that everyone will have success with forever. Just not so.

Take the advice you’re given, sift through it, try some of it out, and see what works for YOU. Ultimately, everybody’s different. And there are so many variables in this game. Just gotta play and see. That’s why the people with the most longevity in this sport tend to have the best advice, which often tends to be the least restrictive. In other words, they don’t tend to speak in absolutes.

Snap, I’ll agree that experienced folks here have about as good advice as anyone. And I’ve really been burnt by nuts who insist their program will make me Mr Olympia.

Spock, I KNOW loads of people would have given up long before now. I may have my faults, but the one insult I could never stand was “quitter”.

Harry, thanks. It is amazingly rare to find advice based on whether you gain easy or hard, everyone keeps thinking we’re all the same, frustrates the hell out of me. Ran across one good web post recently, the guy is a trainer who described different types of gainers (easy, medium, hard) and had some good advice for someone like me. Will post it at some point.

Cotenbroek, I started lifting because I was a goddamn skinny, puny, ghastly excuse for a man. Boy Scout hikes, the other boys could outwalk me and I couldn’t keep up. Phys Ed, I was always the last one picked for teams. Not enough strength to get a basketball up into the hoop. Couldn’t hit a baseball more than 50 feet. College, had to do 3 chinups to pass PE. Took me 5 minutes.

Hit the weights in college. Four years, and was just as thin and weak as started. Hit commercial gyms. Paid for training. Zilch. Started bench press, took 10 years of hard, struggling work to go from 95 lbs to 115. When started squatting, could only handle broomstick, any weight buried me. Deadlifts, took months of training before finally prying 185 off the floor.

Getting the picture?

One bad deadlift isn’t getting me down. More like 1 thousand. I have decades of memories of frustration, helpless straining, and being crushed under weights that other use for warmup. I’m convinced I have PTSD from all that. I must fight it. I must believe that there is hope, however remote. I must keep going, even if every fiber in my being is screaming it’s hopeless.

[quote]Up wrote:

[quote]cavalier wrote:

Snap, you’ll have no idea how hard I bit my tongue to keep from responding when I saw Up pumping a long, hard bar between her legs . . . besides, you were the one who reminded me of that machine.

Huh? this never happened.

I wont give any advice as I think it has to come from within. Although I like alot of what
advice and encouragement you did get!

[/quote]

Nice shoulders, by the way. :slight_smile:

Squats today. Gonna go for doubles & triples.

95 x 10 . x 10
145 x 1
185 x 1
215 x 2

This was more of a single max, plus one uncertain rep.

205 x 2 . x 3

disappointing. no stronger than last month.

Squats in low position only
135 x 5 . x 5

ow.

didn’t feel like I worked legs hard enough, even though had put out max effort, so:

LifeFitness leg press
110 x 9
190 x 7
250 x 3

OK, now they’re worked.

Bench day.
45 x 12
115 x 3
155 x 1

I lost strength. I really expected to double or triple that. Thank god I had a spotter. The bar came down and just crushed me, couldn’t get it off the chest.

135 x 3
145 x 1 . this is not possible. just one week ago I did 145 for 5
135 x 3
105 x 5
95 x 5 . stopped on chest, couldn’t get up, guy ran over to grab it
65 x 10 . x 9 . these actually went to failure

Hammer Dip
50 x 10
90 x 5 . x 4 . x 3 . each one hit failure

DB Fly
10 x 4 . x 4 . x 3 . x 3

Seated Row
80 x 6
90 x 4 . x 3

Tri pulldown
30 x 8
40 x 3 . x 3 . x 3 . x 3 . everyone to failure

Wrist curl
20 x 20
40 x 15
60 x 9 . x 9 . x 9

About this time, Eugene came in. Says he was sore for a couple of days after our last time, not surprising, but he was raring to go. He piled on 95 lb bench and knocked out rep after rep. Damn, wish I had done that when I started, or even after 5 or 10 years. Played around with squat, then I showed him deadlift. He did 135, uncertain, but got it up without trouble. Man, he’s gaining.

What on earth is wrong with me, and what can I do to get out of it?

Hey Cav, NOTHING is wrong with you.
Setbacks and stalls are part of the training. It is frustrating. Have you deloaded recently?

Comes into this thread with a Bat line and drops two motivational videos…Shoots Bat-hook again and swings off

  1. TGIM SEASON 4 - PAIN IS TEMPORARY - YouTube

  2. TGIM SEASON 4 - BUILDING YOUR BRAND (STX) - YouTube

Cotenbroek, I deloaded 3 weeks ago. Am taking it easy this week as well.

Kairiki, local TV station is showing old Batman reruns. Sweet Jesus, but it’s hysterically funny:

Batman: “Do you know how we keep beating the villians?”
Robin: “Because we’re smarter?”
Batman: “I prefer to believe it’s because our hearts are pure.”

Commisioner: “Batman on vacation! Do you know what this mean, O’Hara? The day we’ve always dreaded is here! We’re going to have to solve a case . . . OURSELVES!!!”

Totally exhausted over the weekend. Slept for 12 hours Mon night. Feeling good. Clearly, stress had been building up. Feeling good today, all swole and stuff.

I have to pound my body to get any reaction at all . . . but makes recovery difficult. Often, after hard workout, too stressed to go to sleep. Doesn’t help that heart arythmia kicks in then, harmless, but too distracting to drift off.

Conclusion: try to pack even more protein down my throat and get even more sleep. Not sure how to do it, will think about it.

An old Batman followed up with a couple Captain Kirk reruns would make for a great evening. Good to read your stress level is starting to come down.

Ecogenx, on Sat nights the station shows Batman, Lost in Space, and original Star Trek. Sunday nights Columbo.

Well, my stress is coming down a tad. Just shoved 2 pounds of ground beef down my throat, about to take a short nap, then will have dinner.

Are you setting up on the bench the same everytime? Arch, elbows same angle from lats, feet placement? If so, analyze what you’re doing different pre=work out on the “bad” days, diet, pre=lifting workload, your mindset?
I know I’m getting old cause I remember watching all those shows when they originally premiered on TV. Need to get some Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and Time Tunnel in there, too.

Yes, I set up bench the same each time. Grip hard, pull apart, tense upper back, arch back, plant feet, tense torso, inhale hard. Warmup is same, elliptical machine, then warmup bench. Mindset stays same - push as goddamn hard as possible and pray my body gets stronger. Trust me Harry, I’ve spent years analyzing this shit to death.

Yesterday shoved about 3 pounds ground beef down my throat in addition to other meat and supplement. Today kept going with the beef. Digestion feels a bit more relaxed, muscles seem a little harder. Miscellaneous aches have subsided some. Will keep it up as much as possible. Plan to return to the gym next Sunday.

60’s television wouldn’t be complete without Get Smart, Wild Wild West, the Monkees, and - sigh - Mission Impossible.

[quote]cavalier wrote:
Cotenbroek, I deloaded 3 weeks ago. Am taking it easy this week as well.

Kairiki, local TV station is showing old Batman reruns. Sweet Jesus, but it’s hysterically funny:

Batman: “Do you know how we keep beating the villians?”
Robin: “Because we’re smarter?”
Batman: “I prefer to believe it’s because our hearts are pure.”

Commisioner: “Batman on vacation! Do you know what this mean, O’Hara? The day we’ve always dreaded is here! We’re going to have to solve a case . . . OURSELVES!!!”

Totally exhausted over the weekend. Slept for 12 hours Mon night. Feeling good. Clearly, stress had been building up. Feeling good today, all swole and stuff.

I have to pound my body to get any reaction at all . . . but makes recovery difficult. Often, after hard workout, too stressed to go to sleep. Doesn’t help that heart arythmia kicks in then, harmless, but too distracting to drift off.

Conclusion: try to pack even more protein down my throat and get even more sleep. Not sure how to do it, will think about it.[/quote]

Made me smile.

Hi, Elaikases, I assume you’re talking about the Batman stuff. I saw the show as a kid, but didn’t understand it was meant as a joke. Now I get it.

Stuffed more beef down my throat yesterday, working around my schedule at school. Woke up this morning feeling GREAT. I mean, awesome. Had a test surge lasting 2 or 3 hours. Felt swole to the point of bursting. Was dying to run to the gym, but will stay to schedule and start next Sunday.

Boss dropped a bomb on me. He hinted I might not be teaching the summer quarter. Don’t know what to do - it would easily take the whole summer to find a job, by then, he’d probably want me for autumn.

OK, deload week over, back to gym. I lost 5 pounds, Jesus, how did that happen?? I was shoveling food in my mouth like no tomorrow. On the plus side, felt refreshed. And the weights felt a tad lighter.

Deadlifts
135 x 10
185 x 9
205 x 8
215 x 7

the numbers may not be much difference, but felt much better, much more control, didn’t leave me writhing on the floor. Only 4 sets, but put good effort in them, heart wasn’t too happy, let it calm down, didn’t palpitate.

Pulldowns
90 x 12
120 x 9
130 x 8 . x 8 . x 8

a PR of sorts

Good Mornings
45 x 10
95 x 8
115 x 8

tough, but put good effort into them

Feeling good today, still upping the amount of beef in diet. Amazing how sore hams can get from deadlifts.

Overhead press
45 x 12
65 x 10
75 x 9
80 x 8 . x 8
75 x 7

tough, but didn’t run out of steam, kept going

Standing calf raise
255 x 11
275 x 8 . x 8

Freemotion ab
70 x 20
80 x 12
90 x 15
100 x 15

been ages since tried an ab machine - got CRAMPING bad on first couple of sets, hate it when something’s so underworked that happens, so kept at it

DB raise
15 x 9 . x 9 . x 8

very good! hardly paused at all. A big guy with thick arms was doing the same thing with same weight, he actually had some trouble getting the weights up, no idea why, but sure made me feel great, put some grrr into my sets

Freemotion row
found out this thing works great for face pulls, 2 handles high up
10 x 15
12 x 10 . x 13