the SEC wants to expand into the TEX/OKL market. that’s why TCU has been mentioned also. the SEC already has a market in Fla.
around here in SEC/ACC country a lot of people feel that Texas and Oklahoma want to go to a conference that won’t give them the wars the SEC will give them. the Pac 10 is no slouch but currently I feel the SEC is the best top to bottom in football.
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What the SEC would run into trying to get OU and Texas is that the conference would also have to bring Oklahoma State and Texas A&M. Neither state legislatures (OK/TX) would allow the state schools to be separated.
Maybe you have heard something that I haven’t? How hard has the SEC gone after OU and Texas?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
As a Texas fan personally I would rather see them go to the SEC. Cant get real respect until you battle it out in the best conference. Also like to see the 4 big super conferences. Then maybe in my lifetime there will be a playoff system. [/quote]
you don’t think having all of the projected big 12 schools (including Texas) joining the Pac10 would bring them respect? They would be the first super conference and would without a doubt be the number 2 conference and would rival the SEC (which all the media constantly sucks off) for best conference.
If I was a Texas fan I WOULD NOT want to join the SEC. With having Texas, OU, Alabama and Florida all in the same conference it would only all allow one of those teams to play for the NC and probably 2 to get BCS Games… You could be a one loss team from that conference and possibly not get a BCS game… that would blow
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Of course in some aspects you are correct. However, we beat Okalahoma and still did not get in the BCS game. That really blows. I just think that being in the SEC will make them stronger in the long run, maybe get back to the type of football I love. Strong defense and running game. Also in time with some type of playoff system one loss would not cancel you out of contention.
^^agreed on the hope for a future playoff system but honestly I dont see it happening. It would be the best event/playoff in all of sports IMO but there is sooooo much money in the Bowls that I don’t think they’ll ever get rid of them.
If that same scenario had played out with Texas being in the SEC, getting one loss and being left out of the NC game wouldnt it be even worse? Texas would have played in “the toughest conference”, had only one loss and still was left out? Its kind of a double edged sword I guess… I’m just keeping my fingers crossed for a playoff system or at least 4 super conferences with all the major teams. The winners of those conferences playing in a +1 system would be the best way of finding out who’s the top dog
[quote]silverblood wrote:
or the old rivalry Texas vs Arkansas?
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The A&M v. Arkansas rivalry has been started back up in the Cowboys new stadium.
I agree with the four major conferences - though each would have subconferences, so not much would be that new. But it does set up the possibility of playoffs. If you take the four conference winners put them in two bowl games, then the winners play = champion. It adds one game to the season - which could be played in the same length season. All the conferences would need to start the same week, end at the end/first week of Dec. Conf. champions, the next week. Bowls over the holiday break. Championship week before classes start. Done.
Nevermind, that makes too much sense therefore it will never happen.[/quote]
yeah the +1 thing sounds good but the crappy part is when you have these huge conferences not every team plays one another.
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This does not happen in the small conferences either, at least not in the Big 10. At least if there is a conference championship there is some legitimacy. (Quietly leaves before someone mentions the Big 12 fiasco - again).
[quote]DJHT wrote:
The BIG 12 Lives. Any chance TCU is brought into the fold?[/quote]
I hope so. The Big 12 losing Colorado is no loss in my book. Nebraska, sure. Though I like them going to the Big 10(+2) because Notre Dame gets dismissed (not a big fan).
Houston is another possibility. Hell, I would like to see Arkansas brought (back) in. That would open up room in the SEC to acquire Miami. I am not sure what schools outside Texas would be good or make sense geographically. Utah?
Anybody heard if the Big 10 is looking to expand more or was that more a possibility in response to the potential Pac-16?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
The BIG 12 Lives. Any chance TCU is brought into the fold?[/quote]
I hope so. The Big 12 losing Colorado is no loss in my book. Nebraska, sure. Though I like them going to the Big 10(+2) because Notre Dame gets dismissed (not a big fan).
Houston is another possibility. Hell, I would like to see Arkansas brought (back) in. That would open up room in the SEC to acquire Miami. I am not sure what schools outside Texas would be good or make sense geographically. Utah?
Anybody heard if the Big 10 is looking to expand more or was that more a possibility in response to the potential Pac-16?[/quote]
Heard Utah was going to the Pac 10.
I agree Arkansas back in the Big 12, not like they are killing people in the SEC.
Houston would be a good fit, since I live here could go see UT kill them would be good.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
The BIG 12 Lives. Any chance TCU is brought into the fold?[/quote]
But what does TCU bring to the Big 12-2? A small enrollment? A small alumni base? Small TV viewership?
I have no problem with TCU’s football program. They are doing a great job building a solid program inside the same state as the University of Texas and Texas A&M. But simply from a dollars and cents perspective they don’t offer all that much. The Big 12-2 would be better off trying to lure Arkansas from the SEC, as unlikely as that may be.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
The BIG 12 Lives. Any chance TCU is brought into the fold?[/quote]
But what does TCU bring to the Big 12-2? A small enrollment? A small alumni base? Small TV viewership?
I have no problem with TCU’s football program. They are doing a great job building a solid program inside the same state as the University of Texas and Texas A&M. But simply from a dollars and cents perspective they don’t offer all that much. The Big 12-2 would be better off trying to lure Arkansas from the SEC, as unlikely as that may be.[/quote]
I agree about the TCU thing, but to be devils advocate they have built a solid program. In time they will bring money to the table. I remember in the 90’s college football was about the big names period. With the growth of ESPN a lot of teams have got national attention. I just think from a competitive entertainment perspective TCU would be cool to have. We need two in the Big 12 so TCU and Arkansas. Then everyone wins.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
But what does TCU bring to the Big 12-2? A small enrollment? A small alumni base? Small TV viewership?[/quote]
A nationally recognized program that Texas & Oklahoma could play. Good for local (UT and Oklahoma travel well, especially short distances) as well as possible national significance.
Is there a better program out there that makes as much sense/cents?
well this sucks. I was really hoping for this giant merger to the Pac 10/16… that would have been so much better for College football IMO but the Big 12 did what they had to do. Make a TV deal and give half the money to Texas to keep them around. Everyone else is just like a little puppy who follows Texas around lol. Too bad but whatever
[quote]gregron wrote:
well this sucks. I was really hoping for this giant merger to the Pac 10/16… that would have been so much better for College football IMO but the Big 12 did what they had to do. Make a TV deal and give half the money to Texas to keep them around. Everyone else is just like a little puppy who follows Texas around lol. Too bad but whatever
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I see your point, but what about the major Pac 10 teams coming to the Big 12? So then you get the giant merger but under the Big 12 banner.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
But what does TCU bring to the Big 12-2? A small enrollment? A small alumni base? Small TV viewership?[/quote]
A nationally recognized program that Texas & Oklahoma could play. Good for local (UT and Oklahoma travel well, especially short distances) as well as possible national significance.
Is there a better program out there that makes as much sense/cents?[/quote]
But they don’t bring in the dollars, which is what this whole thing is about. Why do you think the Pac-10 wanted Colorado? The Denver TV market. Why did the Big 10 want Nebraska? Because people throughout the Midwest (with an alumni base all over the US) follow Nebraska football.
TCU has to compete with the two big brothers in Texas and Texas A&M, not just on the field but in viewership. And as I stated, with such a small enrollment/alumni base, TCU is simply not going top bring anything to table. No one is watching them.
The better business move would be Arkansas or even a BYU.
[quote]gregron wrote:
well this sucks. I was really hoping for this giant merger to the Pac 10/16… that would have been so much better for College football IMO but the Big 12 did what they had to do. Make a TV deal and give half the money to Texas to keep them around. Everyone else is just like a little puppy who follows Texas around lol. Too bad but whatever
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I agree that financially, Texas is the big dog in the Big 12-2, but don’t think OU and A&M aren’t benefitting from this. OU and A&M are getting considerably more money in TV revenue with this conference staying intact. Otherwise, they would have left.
A&M is laughing all the way to the bank. They threatened to go to the SEC and instead get stay put and make more money.
^^I disagree. I think that if the proposed teams joined the Pac10 and formed a tv deal they would be making more (everyone except texas cause they’re getting way more than an even share of the new big 12 deal)
If those teams joined the Pac 10 then the Pac 10 TV deal would include 7 of the top 15 TV markets in the entire United States! Think of how much all the Big 10 schools get (17-22million) a year and their markets are shit (no offense) compared to what the Pac10 along with Texas/Oklahoma would get. They would all be over 20 mill a year.
[quote]gregron wrote:
well this sucks. I was really hoping for this giant merger to the Pac 10/16… that would have been so much better for College football IMO but the Big 12 did what they had to do. Make a TV deal and give half the money to Texas to keep them around. Everyone else is just like a little puppy who follows Texas around lol. Too bad but whatever
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I see your point, but what about the major Pac 10 teams coming to the Big 12? So then you get the giant merger but under the Big 12 banner.[/quote]
If the Pac 10 was breaking up/melting down like it appeared the Big 12 was then I would be all for it. They’re the closest legit BCS conference so it would make sense ya know? The banner or name of the conference doesnt matter to me.
I just think the more power house schools you have in the same conferences the better the games will be every season and it would help to decide who the best team at the end of the year really is.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
A&M is laughing all the way to the bank. They threatened to go to the SEC and instead get stay put and make more money.[/quote]
Whoop![/quote]
do you really think A&M will make more money with the big 12(with 10 teams) than they would by joining the SEC and having the SEC TV deal? I dont think the Big 12(10) staying together had anything to do with A&M threatening to go to the SEC. I think it all has to do with the money.
The Big 12 commissioner gave a bigger share of the projected TV deal to Texas to keep the conference together so that he wouldnt lose his cake job lol. All the Big 12 people woulda been out of work so they went into scramble mode and payed Texas to stay cause they’re the leader of that whole pack.
[quote]gregron wrote:
well this sucks. I was really hoping for this giant merger to the Pac 10/16… that would have been so much better for College football IMO but the Big 12 did what they had to do. Make a TV deal and give half the money to Texas to keep them around. Everyone else is just like a little puppy who follows Texas around lol. Too bad but whatever
.greg.[/quote]
I see your point, but what about the major Pac 10 teams coming to the Big 12? So then you get the giant merger but under the Big 12 banner.[/quote]
If the Pac 10 was breaking up/melting down like it appeared the Big 12 was then I would be all for it. They’re the closest legit BCS conference so it would make sense ya know? The banner or name of the conference doesnt matter to me.
I just think the more power house schools you have in the same conferences the better the games will be every season and it would help to decide who the best team at the end of the year really is.
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Agreed that was my point yesterday about Texas being in the SEC.