Coconut, A Great Product.

[quote]yello_ke wrote:
I have a question. I know that I should get the virgin coconut oil that’s all natural, but I just recently got the Lou-ana coconut oil that isn’t hydrogenated, but is bleached, deodorized, and refined. I guess it won’t be as good as the virgin coconut oil, but is it still really healthy?[/quote]

Sure use it and next time either pay out the ears for he virgin stuff which is GREAT or simplt get coconut shredded and dried or the milk. Just make sure the ingredientts are Coconut thats it.

Why not just buy MCT oil?

FYI: MCT oil on the shelf has been around for 15 years now.

All of a sudden coconut oil is the new fad ? Nice marketing though.

In my experience MCT is energy, it can replace carbs and give you the close to the same power and endurance in your workouts.

I only use it on my low carb days.

[quote]The_Grim_Reaper wrote:
It depends.I would NEVER use vegetable oil for cooking.I usually use flaxseed or coconut oil.Coconut oil is the healthiest oil around.You want an energy booster?Try this one hour before working out:one tablespoon of organic coconut oil,one scoop of whey,some creatine,and some skim milk.This will really give you energy to workout HARD! Does for me![/quote]

I’ve done a fair bit of price comparing and research on the processing methods, and I’ve personally found this site to offer a better product, and a better value, than Tropical Traditions (the site Mercola promotes)…

As for ‘MCT oil’ - never seen it. Where do the MCTs come from?

I wouldn’t recommend buying coconut oil from your average supermarket - it’s the lowest grade stuff, extracted from what amount to the ‘throwaway’ dried-up coconut leftovers, then bleached and chemically deodorized.

One other comment I feel needs to be made. Coconut oil may indeed be very healthy, but just because it’s eaten by cultures who also happen to have low cancer rates does not mean that coconut oil prevents cancer or increases longevity. It means coconut oil is a staple food in an overall diet of people who have lower cancer rates. Their diets are, as a whole, unprocessed, and high in fruits and vegetables, many breathe less polluted air than many of us, and their lifestyles tend to keep them more physically active than the average north american.

It’s false cause to attribute all their health advantages to just one part of their diet… just as it may be a leap for TGR to attribute his two-inch fat loss to coconut oil when he admits he’s been dieting. Not saying it’s not a factor, but it’s impossible to know how much of a factor it may or may not be.

Is it bad to cook with grapeseed oil? I’ve been wondering about this for a long time.

[quote]Pugnacious Boxer wrote:
Is it bad to cook with grapeseed oil? I’ve been wondering about this for a long time.[/quote]

I make it simple and just dont cook at all with oil. I add my oils after the cooking.

[quote]Phill wrote:
Pugnacious Boxer wrote:
Is it bad to cook with grapeseed oil? I’ve been wondering about this for a long time.

I make it simple and just dont cook at all with oil. I add my oils after the cooking.
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What do you use for cooking then?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

According to this guy’s research, a lot of obesity is caused by vegetable oils. The consumption of saturated fat is actually way down over the past century, but oils has skyrocketed. He sees a correlation there. He also is a big fan of coconuts.[/quote]

I agree that vegetable oils can increase one’s risk of disease, however at least in the US, saturdated fat in the diet was actually VERY high through the 1800’s up through the 1960’s. Just ask your parents/grandparents - they never heard of skim milk until the 70’s, they ate plenty of cheese, butter, and beef products. So, to say that it has decreased over the last century I think is a bit misleading, although I see his point. I’d say saturated fat intake has decreased significantly in the last 2-3 decades.

TopSirloin

[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
The_Grim_Reaper wrote:
It depends.I would NEVER use vegetable oil for cooking.I usually use flaxseed or coconut oil.Coconut oil is the healthiest oil around.You want an energy booster?Try this one hour before working out:one tablespoon of organic coconut oil,one scoop of whey,some creatine,and some skim milk.This will really give you energy to workout HARD! Does for me!

I’ve done a fair bit of price comparing and research on the processing methods, and I’ve personally found this site to offer a better product, and a better value, than Tropical Traditions (the site Mercola promotes)…

As for ‘MCT oil’ - never seen it. Where do the MCTs come from?

I wouldn’t recommend buying coconut oil from your average supermarket - it’s the lowest grade stuff, extracted from what amount to the ‘throwaway’ dried-up coconut leftovers, then bleached and chemically deodorized.

One other comment I feel needs to be made. Coconut oil may indeed be very healthy, but just because it’s eaten by cultures who also happen to have low cancer rates does not mean that coconut oil prevents cancer or increases longevity. It means coconut oil is a staple food in an overall diet of people who have lower cancer rates. Their diets are, as a whole, unprocessed, and high in fruits and vegetables, many breathe less polluted air than many of us, and their lifestyles tend to keep them more physically active than the average north american.

It’s false cause to attribute all their health advantages to just one part of their diet… just as it may be a leap for TGR to attribute his two-inch fat loss to coconut oil when he admits he’s been dieting. Not saying it’s not a factor, but it’s impossible to know how much of a factor it may or may not be.[/quote]

Absolutely phenomenal point!! Indeed coconut oil may have some health benefits, but I think we often times over-react to new foods/supplements/herbs. I think we have to take everything with a grain of salt and understand the entire picture - where does this particular item fit in and am I doing everything elsewhere to compliment this new item? Unless someone is deficient in a given nutrient, in moderation, no one natural food can directly cause a health problem nor cure one nor have any intense pharmaceutical effects.

TopSirloin

[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
The_Grim_Reaper wrote:
It depends.I would NEVER use vegetable oil for cooking.I usually use flaxseed or coconut oil.Coconut oil is the healthiest oil around.You want an energy booster?Try this one hour before working out:one tablespoon of organic coconut oil,one scoop of whey,some creatine,and some skim milk.This will really give you energy to workout HARD! Does for me!

I’ve done a fair bit of price comparing and research on the processing methods, and I’ve personally found this site to offer a better product, and a better value, than Tropical Traditions (the site Mercola promotes)…

As for ‘MCT oil’ - never seen it. Where do the MCTs come from?

I wouldn’t recommend buying coconut oil from your average supermarket - it’s the lowest grade stuff, extracted from what amount to the ‘throwaway’ dried-up coconut leftovers, then bleached and chemically deodorized.

One other comment I feel needs to be made. Coconut oil may indeed be very healthy, but just because it’s eaten by cultures who also happen to have low cancer rates does not mean that coconut oil prevents cancer or increases longevity. It means coconut oil is a staple food in an overall diet of people who have lower cancer rates. Their diets are, as a whole, unprocessed, and high in fruits and vegetables, many breathe less polluted air than many of us, and their lifestyles tend to keep them more physically active than the average north american.

It’s false cause to attribute all their health advantages to just one part of their diet… just as it may be a leap for TGR to attribute his two-inch fat loss to coconut oil when he admits he’s been dieting. Not saying it’s not a factor, but it’s impossible to know how much of a factor it may or may not be.[/quote]

First of all,TGR didn’t say he was dieting when he was taking coconut oil.Secondly,not one thing causes disease,cancer,health problems,etc.
It’s usually a multitude of things which are dependant upon something.

If someone,who smokes,does drugs,eats trans fat filled junk food,and practices poor diet,drinks alcohol excessively, gets cancer,they can’t say it was the alcohol that caused it if they were doing drugs.

Same goes with nutrition.
It doesn’t hurt to add coconut oil to an ALREADY healthy diet.However,it’s just not some fad.

If TGR experienced a few inches fat loss while dieting,and was doing nothing else to lose weight(he himself said he wasn’t trying to lose weight) then I’m sure someone who knows their body(after all,this is a body building/nutrition website) would know what caused this change.

I know coconut oil is a healthy product because I use it and know for a fact it offers some good results health-wise.
Yes there are low cancer rates among these races,but coconut oil is the staple food in their diet.So,I’d believe it was soemthing to do with it.

Just like one island eats fish every single day,they never get heart disease;fish is the stable of their diet.Coconut oil is great for your immune system too,so I could understand why some people who use it never get sick much.

Cthulhu

[quote]Phill wrote:
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Lol,smartman.

so uh, if these MCT’s are so great, why is muscle milk not a good MRP?

I mean it contains MCT’s and complex carbs(which classic Grow! has as well)

[quote]Phill wrote:
Pugnacious Boxer wrote:
Is it bad to cook with grapeseed oil? I’ve been wondering about this for a long time.

I make it simple and just dont cook at all with oil. I add my oils after the cooking.

QUALITY!!! Non stick cookwear, A grill, steam, boiling water, a microwave, fire, etc…
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Will probably get shit for this, but I’m with Phill on this one. I just figure it’s easier (and better for the body) to cook with no oils at all and throw out all the worries about high temp., low temp., smoking points, etc. Throw the oils in after the cooking is done.

[quote]consumer wrote:
so uh, if these MCT’s are so great, why is muscle milk not a good MRP?

I mean it contains MCT’s and complex carbs(which classic Grow! has as well)

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They are good to a POINT. They are not magic. They need not be OVER eaten like all fats. you should strick for a balance optimal not over abundance. Also those carbs in MM are not complex theyt are pretty damn simple and I personally dont like mixing that many carbs with ANY form of fat. One of the great things about MCT’s are how they MAY have the ability to produce fast CARB like energy from a fat source. Then having the body longing to run off more fats. Add a ton olf carbs to that fat intake and you negate that burn the carbs and maybe store the fat. etc…

Lots of MAY’s though like many things in this game LOTS of theories that are NOT fact yet.