Coach Thib's Training Log #1

huh, sorry, it was not my intention to open “the box of pandora” but I really appreciate that you took your time to respond and for answering all the questions. And yes, I just want to learn from you because I believe in what you say, thats why I´m here and thats why I bought your training plans, books etc. and I always asked myself why there is no warm-up recommendation. Now I know why.

For myself as a type 2b and 3 (did two tests), one thing that I found very profound is that I always perform better at the end of my workouts. I always feel sluggish when I start a workout, not ready, not sweaty, regardless at which time of the day I train and regardless how I ate.I rarely get less than 7.5 hours of sleep and my job is pretty low stress. Though I do sit pretty much all day.

After about 45 minutes or at the end of the workout I feel like I am firing on all cylinders. I was wondering if there was a warm-up technique or protocol that can help shorten this and that raises my body temperature, prime my central nervous system and help me to blow out my first lung, like boxers or fighters would say.

I try to find a way that I already sweat when I go into my strength work, but I don´t want to fatigue myself or do unnecessary junk volume, hours of cardio etc. because of the points you mentioned (cortisol etc.)

on the other hand, I want to perform on demand not perform when the conditioning is best. I´m a recreational lifter with the goal to get bigger, stronger and more athletic overall.

If you have a suggestion, tipps or a routine FOR ME (I don´t want that you talk about warm-ups even more in general, I respect that and stop asking) how a proper warmup for upper lower or full body split look like (I have the 2b plan and 3) I would appreciate this. I have barbells, kettlebells, dumbbells, bands, weight vest.

thanks coach

See the quote in my earlier post: This is the last time I want to talk about warm-ups”.

Sorry, I really don’t want to be an ass about this.

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thats ok! Thank you

And yet you are asking me WHAT TO ADD to a workout (in the form of a warm-up) which, by nature, is the exact opposite of what you asked me above.

“Performing on demand” (e.g. a fireman being suddenly called to a fire) means just that: being able to perform at a high level without having to do preparatory work.

Does it make sense to look for stuff to do before you train… to become good a performing without having to do stuff before you train???

Pavel talks about this, you can train your body to not require much if any warming up. But doing just that and accepting that in the short-term performance might be lesser, but gradually your body will become better at it.

Of course, Pavel’s style relies on submaximal loads (mostly in the 70-80% range for 3-5 reps) which might not need as much warming up as if you go with maximal loads. But the point is still valid.

It is my firm opinion, that the more warming up you do, the more you make yourself reliant on the warm-up to perform.

There is a temporal element to training. Like an internal clock if you will, which plays a huge role in workout performance.

It plays a role in how long you can sustain a workout before losing focus an motivation (my wife is a prime example, at the 45 minutes mark she ALWAYS become bored, unfocused and asks if she is done… that’s why she loves Crossfit).

But the same is also true for “getting into the workout”. Your internal clock can be programmed to be efficient after 20-30 minutes into the workout.

Now, let’s say that you are someone who starts to perform 30 minutes “in”. If your warm-up lasts 10 minutes, it will take you 20 minutes to lift optimally.

If you start doing all sort of junk in your warm-up and it now lasts 30 minutes you will be able to perform well in your lifting right off the bat (NOT because you are sweating or anything, because you reached the temporal zone in which you start to perform). This gives the ILLUSION of performance on-demand as your lifting is good right from the start. But in reality you have not fixed the issue, you just filled the first 30 minutes with other types of work until you get in the proper temporal zone.

If you want to train yourself to be able to perform right out of the gates with as little work as possible (training or warming up) then that’s what you need to do. And likely find other ways to get in the right mindset and CNS activation, like visualization or mental rehearsal while getting to the gym. Of developing a “mental trigger” that turns everything on internally.

The solution to performance on demand is not adding more work prior to your performance.

So you could try mental rehearsal while preparing to hit your workout. And only perform a few sets of the main lift (1-3) before starting the actual workout.

BUT…

  • Those sets must be force with maximal INTENT. Try to be VIOLENT with the bar and produce maximum tension. Squeeze the bar brutally hard with your hands, brace like crazy and have the intent to kill that weight.

  • Once the last preparation set is done have a mental cue that you scream in your head to get fired up, kinda like a Spartan war cry but in your head. This signals the start if the war with weights.

ONE MORE tip…

  • Don’t do any warm-up BUT start your session with assistance/single-joint exercises before doing your main lifts. While it still means doing work before the main lift, it can start to change your temporal programing and making you better at lifting from the start.

  • THEN over the weeks move the main lifts closer and closer to the start of the session, still without warm-up. After a few weeks you should have switched your temporal programing to perform early on the big lift.

For example:

Phase I (3-4 weeks): start with single-joint work, then multi-joint assistance then main lift(s)
Phase II (3-4 weeks): start with multi-joint assistance, then main lift(s), then single-joint
Phase III (3-4 weeks): start with main lift(s)

This is incidentally how I train powerlifters, but for different reasons.

Ok, I LIED, one more thing…

  • Be intellectually involved in your workout right from the start. This means developing the skill to have an intense mental focus on either the muscle you are training or the movement you are doing while doing it AND reflecting on the quality of your effort and what you can do better on your next set. Being intellectually involved will activate the nervous system and in many ways will have the same benefit as doing activation work.

NOW I’m done. :smile:

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Holy cow, son of a mercy!!! Sorry! I‘m speechless and I have to digest this. WTF! I never got such valuable advice for free. I needed that and now I understand your thought process etc.

From now on I will throw everything out the window regarding warm-ups.

Plan of attack:

-5 minute walk to the gym

-start warming up with whatever the first exercise is on the menu,

for example

if it’s Landmine squats on the neurotype 3 plan I just gradually warm up on this exercise

Then close grip bench press, I start all over and gradually warm up

Chin-up… and so on

Or

On the neurotype 2b Plan, just start warming up with incline DB bench press…

Or if I’m not train after the 2b or 3 neurotype Plan I just warm up with whatever the first main movement is, squats, bench press, deadlift

No stretching, mobility, activation, pump work etc.

Yes, I finally got it and that’s what I will do!

Dorian Yates, one of the strongest bodybuilders of all time did exactly this, Ronnie Coleman too I guess…

Awesome coach, thank you very much for kicking my ass. I really like and appreciate the authenticity and no BS real advice and wisdom from a true professional. That’s why I try to get as much information from you as possible.

THANK YOU

In my opinion, man is a predator in many ways, sometimes even more than that.
Have you ever seen a predator warm up before chasing its prey or before starting a battle :slight_smile:
I’m sorry for the deviation, I wanted to add a little humor to the topic :slight_smile: But I really think so … to get into training as soon as possible. And that is my practice. I haven’t had any problems so far.

Christian is a predator, a real trailblazor

I saw a picture of you today or yesterday (prior to finding this thread) and thought your traps and delts were popping. This explains why!

Thanks for the wealth of knowledge you share with us!

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If that’s the pic in the water, that’s a VERY old pic. I look a ton better now. Much leaner and a bit more muscular. But it’ the only “relaxing” picture that I had and needed one for the theme of my instagram post.

The one in the water is the one I saw. I should’ve noticed that you weren’t as lean as your other recent posts.

I think you have mentioned in the past that traps are one of the easier muscles for you to develop and they responded well to your Olympic lift training. And that reminds me of your muscle migration theory.

Where did you put the emphasis in your recent training for aesthetics? Which muscle groups do you think are most important when training for looks (you might have answered this with your 6 Weeks to Superhero workout)? Which ones are the stubborn ones for you?

Not just the olympic ifting. When I was young (as early as 15 when I joined my first commercial gym) the muscle I wanted the most was traps! I absolutely remember setting up in an old universal machine and using the bench station to do shrugs. I would literally do at least 10 sets every day!!!

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I didn’t really had a special emphasis. Maybe I spent a bit more work on upper back as I had neglected it a bit leading up to that training phase.

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The only two muscles that are really hard for me to develop are lats and glutes. Even when I was squatting 600 and front squatting 485 I had no glutes.

I have a very long torso and short arms/legs so I’m “limbs dominant”… I used to have a hard time building my chest but not really anymore although it will never be a dominant muscle for me.

I want to mention that I personally do NOT like training for aesthetic goals. I can do it for about 6-8 weeks but ONLY under two conditions:

  1. I let myself go and gained some fat and don’t like the way I look
  2. I cannot pursue the performance goal of my liking because of an injury

For that reason, aethetic/hypertrophy training is pretty much always done while in a caloric deficit for me. Which might be one of the reasons why I’m not hyouuuuge (not that I care to be either).

Besides that, I find aesthetic training boring, unstimulating, and vein. I do like the results, which is why I can tolerate it for a few weeks, but it is not something I could do year round or as my main training focus.

One last point. Having an aesthetic goal is REALLY unhealthy for me. Both physically and psychologically.

  • I’m n extremist so I tend to push too hard with the training, cardio and diet and put myself in a really bad mental and physiological state

  • I have naturally low self-esteem and distorted body image. When I am in an aesthetic phase it exacerbates it and I become extremely self-conscious, develop a poor relationship with food and neglect other important things in my life. All things that do not happen when I focus on performance for some reason.

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Interesting that you’re so self aware (and willing to share) what drives you and why. I also was surprised that you:

…mostly because you’re a professional who I assumed has built a living based on these efforts and would therefore enjoy this to an extent. I share this sentiment, though, and cannot muster any excitement about a training session that is based around an aesthetic goal. I wish I could, but even these reasons don’t drive me:

When I’m in this boat, I turn towards running and bodyweight circuits. I’m currently doing the Surge Workout Challenge, but the challenge for me is motivating myself for the workouts. I’d much rather drink the Surge and go bang out a Crossfit class or log a 531 workout.

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Well, that might seem to be the case mostly if someone is familiar with me mostly from my online presence over the past 10 ish years. Prior to that, I was first and foremost a strength and conditioning coach working with athletes. The first 12-13 years of my career were spent training mostly athletes. In fact, if you go read my earlier work on T Nation (I’ve been writing articles for T Nation for over 20 years!) you will see a slant toward performance.

My own training was first for football performance, then olympic lifting, then just getting stronger.

That having been said, from a business perspective, hypertrophy and fat loss is what sells which is why it does represent a large proportion of my clients and also why I am writing more on these topics.

But for my own training, performance is what gets me going.

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you already talked about this on so many podcasts that you always prefer to train for performance but you also want to look juicy and I always ask myself if it is possible or why it is not possible to train for performance and chasing numbers, time records (I guess these are the measurements when we talk about performance) with the outcome to look good!?

Are these really two different things who need specialization. Obviously you will not look like Jay Cutler when training like Rich Froning or an Athlete but for average dudes?

Am I missing something? Sorry, when this is a stupid question, just ignore it…

Thanks Coach and have a great day

Wednesday, June 29th

A. Deadlift 3 x 3 @ 80%

B. Bench press 2 x 5 @ 80%

C. Reverse cable curl 3 x 6-8

D. Cable curl 3 x 6-8

E. Wrist extension 3 x 8-10

F. Wrist flexion 3 x 8-10

G1. Thor’s hammer 3 x 8-10
G2. Powerball spinning 3 x max time

This afternoon I might do either long-distance sandbag carry or a clubbell swinging workout. My right QL is a bit tender so I’ll see how it goes.

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Ok first, do not ever use “juicy”. Not so much because it is a bit too close to “juicer” for my taste but because to me it’s one of those terms that just sound prissy and annoying… like “natty” and “oly” (to talk about olympic lifting). They just irk me.

Is it possible to train strictly for performance and look good?

Well, it depends on what your definition of “looking good” (from a muscle perspective) and “performance” are.

Can training like an athlete make you look lean and decently muscular? Yes (although a big part is diet).

Will it make you look muscular by bodybuilding standards? Probably not. And I’m not talking about Olympia level either. Athletic/performance training by itself is likely not going to give you a physique even worthy of a local bodybuilding show either.

The “best” you are likely to achieve is a physique similar in look to a sprinter, MMA fighter or football running back. And even then, it likely will not be up to the level of the elite guys unless you also have top-level genetics.

But again, the X factor is leanness. If you are sub-10% body fat (a real 10%) and have even a moderate amount of muscle, you will look “good” by pretty much everyone’s standards.

Also consider that there are various types of “performance” training:

  • Training for powerlifting is performance training
  • So is training to run fast and jump high
  • Or play golf
  • Or be good at Crossfit
  • Even marathon running is performance training
    Etc.

You get the point.

And each of these types of training will have a different impact on how muscular you can get.

If “performance” for you is getting brutally strong, you have a better shot at becoming very muscular than if you are training to jump high and run fast…

Training for endurance, which is also a form of performance training, is likely to make it harder to become muscular. While Crossfit might get you lean more easily than other forms of training while also putting some muscle on your frame.

So is training for performance different than training for aesthetics/muscle growth? Absolutely! Especially if you are talking about training to become fast, agile, jump high, throw far or have killer endurance.

Training to get as strong as possible is a different story because muscle mass is a key factor in strength. For that reason, it is not rare for powerlifters to have a similar overall amount of muscle as bodybuilders of the same level BUT they are not as lean AND have “holes” in their physical development compared to bodybuilders (e.g. they tend to have smaller arms and delts). That is especially true if said powerlifter uses a methodology using a good amount of hypertrophy work as assistance.

Personally when I. focus on performance my muscularity suffers a bit. I tend to lose arm, lats and sometimes delts size. My overall look gradually gets worse and when it has degraded enough that’s when I will do a short hypertrophy phase… essentially to regain my previous level of muscularity (at my age and experience level I likely won’t add much muscle).

If I stay lean while training for performance it gives me a different look than when I’m look and training for bodybuilding. I personally prefer the lean athletic look but someone who loves bodybuilding would likely have the opposite opinion.

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I think it’s worth repeating that

Personally, I think an MMA fighter, Mike Trout, a high level crossfitter, or NFL wide receiver all have more desirable “looks” than a bodybuilder or powerlifter. But clearly that’s subjective. Tanner Shuck has a youtube video on this (aesthetic vs performance training), and his personal approach is to train for performance and let the aesthetics take care of themselves.

I always held that if you can do 15 strict pull ups, run a 6 min mile, and pull a 2x bodyweight deadlift you’ll look fit. You won’t look like a bodybuilder or powerlifter, though, if that’s your goal. While none of the above is “elite”, being able to perform them in a single workout means you’re gonna look (and be) athletic.

As always, information overload and I really appreciate your detailed response. Now I realize and I´m aware how stupid my question was!

I don´t know you but I follow you for years, almost a decade and when I read between the lines and listen to all the podcasts etc. for me, your first priority is to look good. I will never forget when you said “…I will do some biceps curls before a seminar that my bicep vein pop out…” :slight_smile:

Thanks coach and have a great day. I appreciate the training log and all your information