I’m wondering about the use of clenbuterol after or during PCT. My thought process with this involves using clen to help improve muscle gain and reduce fat gain, as after cycle you’re more prone to gain fat once off.
Would it be better to use after PCT is finished, so after 4 weeks of nolva? OR would it be better to use during the 4 week PCT?
Edit: Another question that came to mind is, would it actually be more beneficial to add it to my T-only cycle, or just save it for PCT?
OR should I just not bother with it at all due to the adverse cardiovascular effects it has… Thanks in advance for the replies
Clenbuterol has an anti catabolic effect for the first 2-3 weeks of use, or so I have read at numerous sources. I do not know for sure but I dont see how it could hinder recovery from a testosterone production stand point. That with the fat loss I would think the best bang for your buck is during PCT. I don’t think it would result in actual fat loss during PCT it would probably just keep the fat from forming.
Yeah, I’ve heard to cycle it at 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for about 10 weeks, however I’m still not sure of the dosage, as I’m still researching it. It’s not an anabolic steroid, so it won’t affect testosterone production as you mentioned.
Definitely not an AAS. The reason I mentioned it in reference to test production recovery is I do not know if the beta 2 receptors have anything at all to do with the HPTA loop. Double check the beta 2 thing, it’s a beta something receptor that clen stimulates. If clen has an anticatabolic effect there is a chance it can do something to or with the HPTA loop, albeit a small chance. I know a lot of sites say it’s a great add in for PCT but a lot of sites say aromasin belongs in PCT. I really think it’s ok but I have never looked into beta 2 receptors and the HPTA loop.
Some more info for you, I dont know how well this actually works but if you can upregulate the beta 2 receptors (again double check it’s beta something) then the fat lose effect of clen can be extended. Usually it wears off around three weeks of use. Benadryl is a beta 2 up regulator. There some others out there I just remember Benadryl because i had it in the medicine cabinet when I read up on clen.
If you’ve never used clen before I suggest starting with 40mcg/day in divided doses and pyramiding up every couple days in 20mcg jumps just to see where you’re tolerance is.
Do you mean pyramiding up to a maximum of 40 mcg / day? Personally, I like to stay on the lower side of things to somewhat avoid side effects, or at least lessen them. I did some more research and found that a cycle consists of starting off with 20 mcg, to 100 mcg, back down to 40 during the last week in 20 mcg increments.
Thanks for your knowledge, I appreciate. I also apologize for spamming the thread with replies. Another question came to mind that I did not really think of with the original post. Would it be more beneficial to add it during my cycle of Test? Or just keeping it after for PCT.
Personally I don’t think I would use it during a cycle although you certainly could if you were only interested in cutting down. During a bulking phase you’re intent should be to pack on weight (preferably not a ‘dirty bulk’), not lose it. Many folks express interest in trying to lose fat and pack on muscle at the same time; I think that’s too complicated for most folks and would prefer to focus on one goal at a time. Save the clen for after your muscle building phase and make use of its anti-catabolic properties while you reduce calories.
Start with 40 mcg /day (or lower if you prefer) and see how that effect your body. If after a couple of days of tolerable effects you’ll be able to bump it up to 60 mcg/day…keep bumping it dosage higher until you reach around 100 mcg or can’t tolerate the sides.
Many people recommend a 2 week on / 2 week off schedule because they claim that receptor sites reach a saturation point and start desensitizing; I have run longer (out to 6 or 7 weeks) and still felt the clen kicking the shit out of me…decide what you think is best for your body.
I don’t believe Clenbuterol is anabolic or anti catabolic in any way despite what animal models suggest. I personally believe Clenbuterol is 100% catabolic and is generally a bad idea to use due to the dangers of acute oxerexposure and long term cardiac risks (it’s extra fuel to the fire)
It’s supposedly anti-catabolic, but I wouldn’t count on it to work the way any steroid would. I imagine the effect is better than nothing, but hard to say how much better when side effects are considered.