Clen Only?

wondering how clen only would work just to supplement little more weight loss. Generally see it used in cutting cycles but with like test p and such, but will using clen by itself cause a lot of muscle loss or just help with fat loss a bit like eca stack?

want to hold off on injectable but would taking like low dosage var with clen help avoid any muscle loss? How would you go about dosing the two?

or recommend differnt low dose oral or just not taking clen without test base to avoid muscle loss.

Clen is much more potentt then an eca stack… I personally wouldnt worry about that stuff yet and focus on diet and training… not like youre gona be competing. Youre at risk of enlarging the heart when doing any cardio on clen. HOWWEVVERR - read into albuterol… much safer… shorter half life… and the differences in results are somewhat marginal.

[quote]Pac wrote:
Clen is much more potentt then an eca stack… I personally wouldnt worry about that stuff yet and focus on diet and training… not like youre gona be competing. Youre at risk of enlarging the heart when doing any cardio on clen. HOWWEVVERR - read into albuterol… much safer… shorter half life… and the differences in results are somewhat marginal.
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Yeah I realize its stronger thats why I want to use it over eca-which I have used before for decent results-Do you have any source for that? Never heard of that many people heard do some cardio on clen. Also clen seems to be one of the safest cutting drugs out there compared to like t4/t3 Eltroxin dnp ext. Don’t plan to compete but noone likes dieting for long period and getting stubborn fat off from a bulk faster is always better. Also clen is cheap and easy to use.

Pretty sure almost noone here competes but still likes the effects of many of the compounds they use.

Anyways concerning albuterol I’ve heard of it but I mean never heard of anyone using it over clen so always figured it sucked. But a lot of people do use clen usually with t3 and test base for the t3 but I want to avoid messing with that.

if you read any of the studies comparing clen and albuterol, Alby wins. When outweighing risks and results. Specifically for situations like yours, obviously competitive bodybuilders dont give a fuck lol. Sorry man, no sources - rules.

I guess you have a great point about the compounds people use n shit… but I highly reccomend alby over clen especially with your goals… actually thats a lie, i reccomend eca and diet/training lol. But anyways… heres some information…

REEEADDDDDD LOL

Some strength benefits…
Human studies have also shown increases in muscle mass following a regimen of
beta-agonist treatment [14-16]. Healthy males treated with slow release albuterol
for 14 days (16 mg/day) improved their quadriceps strength by 12% [14]. The
increase in strength remained 7 days following treatment. In the same study, the
strength of the hamstring muscles increased by 22% after 21 days of treatment.
Caruso et al. [17] also documented increases in strength following 16 mg/day of
albuterol treatment of healthy individuals. Unhealthy patients have been shown to
experience even greater benefits from beta-agonist treatment than healthy patients.
For example, orthopedic patients demonstrated a more rapid recovery following beta-
agonist administration [16]. Thus, all current evidence supports the view that
albuterol can be administered safely to humans to improve muscle strength and
mass.

Albuterol, like its closely related chemical cousin clenbuterol, is an asthma
medication that has been adopted by athletes and bodybuilders as an ergogenic aid.
Like clenbuterol, albuterol binds to the so called beta 2 adrenergic receptors found on
cells throughout the body. The beta 2 receptors on fat cells activate an enzyme
called hormone sensitive lipase. This breaks up stored fat into free fatty acids that
are able to then leave the fat cell and serve as a fuel source in other tissues. In
athletes the primary target of these fatty acids is working muscle. This is the familiar
process we know as lipolysis. Albuterol, like clen, is a potent lipolytic agent. But
simply freeing up fat is not enough. Unless the body can burn the extra FFA they will
simply be reincorporated into fat. Albuterol has the ability to elevate a person’s
metabolic rate so these FFA can be utilized for fuel. Numerous animal studies have
shown that clenbuterol increases both muscle size and strength; data supporting
these effects in humans are sparse. Albuterol on the the other hand has been shown
to significantly increase both strength and endurance in humans (1,2). As an added
benfit, albuterol lowers LDL and total cholesterol, while at the same time elevating
HDL, the “good cholesterol”: "Significant alterations (P < or = .02) were observed in
total cholesterol ([TC] -9.1% +/- 2.5%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([LDL-C]

  • 15.0% +/- 2.9%), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([HDL-C] +10.4% +/-
    3.2%) concentrations, as well as the TC/HDL-C (-17.4% +/- 2.6%) and LDL-C/HDL-
    C (-22.9% +/- 2.4%) ratios." (3) 4 mg of albuterol taken approximately 1 to 2 hours
    before a workout allows for peak plasma levels to be reached during the training
    session. Additionally the much shorter half life of albuterol compared to clenbuterol
    allows one to benefit from its ergogenic effects during a training session but not
    suffer the sleeplessness that many clenbuterol users experience. Moreover, the short
    half life leads to much less beta 2 receptor downregulation than with clenbuterol,
    allowing one to use the drug daily for longer periods of time. On the other hand, if
    one is primarily interested in fat loss rather than performance enhancement, one
    could take 3 or 4 multiple doses of albuterol throughout the day, always of course
    cutting back if clenbuterol-like side effects are felt. 1 Bottle Of CEM Laboratories
    Liquid USP Albuterol Sulfate is 30 ML at 4 MG/ML. (1) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000
    Jul;32(7):1300-6. Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance
    performance in nonasthmatic men. van Baak MA, Mayer LH, Kempinski RE, Hartgens
    F. (2) Aviat Space Environ Med. 2004 Jun;75(6):505-11 Albuterol helps resistance
    exercise attenuate unloading-induced knee extensor losses. Caruso JF, Hamill JL,
    Yamauchi M, Mercado DR, Cook TD, Keller CP, Montgomery AG, Elias J. (3)
    Metabolism. 1996 Jun;45(6):712-7 Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and
    carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men. Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F.

Albuterol is a direct-acting sympathomimetic agent with a relatively selective action
on beta-2 adrenoceptors. Its main clinical use is obviously to treat asthma. Inhalers
would NOT yield the potential anabolic effects that pill form would (overall systemic).

From T-MAG–

â??I thought albuterol was almost not effective at all but it seems I was wrong:

There’s pretty compelling evidence that shows albuterol is just about as effective as
clenbuterol at increasing anabolism, with one exception: Albuterol is effective
at “clinically safe” doses (in man), and clenbuterol is not. In other words, in order to
achieve an anabolic effect from clenbuterol, you need to exceed its safety limits
(which is not necessarily dangerous or undesirable for us healthy bodybuilder types).

On the other hand, albuterol, at clinically safe doses, increases whole-body protein
content in rats by 20% in just three weeks! So it really does increase protein
synthesis.

Furthermore, there are several studies that show albuterol is effective at significantly
increasing power output and muscular endurance in man. Additionally, albuterol is
heart healthy, prevents muscle catabolism, and is a pretty darn good asthma
medicine to boot.

By all indications, albuterol should be effective for at least three to four weeks at
increasing muscle mass before you need a week off from use. And from a personal
experience, this bears out as well. I’ve had reasonably good success with albuterol,
and I suggest anyone who has access to the drug to give it a try.

I recommend 16 mg a day, taken in either two doses spaced 8-10 hours apart, or
four doses spaced about four hours apart. Go on cycles of 3-4 weeks on, one week
off.

Be careful about stacking other adrenergic agonists, like ephedra, with albuterol. If
you can tolerate the combination, go for it, but test it out first. The half-life of
albuterol is about five hours, so if the doses are too frequent, there’s a cumulative
effect that could get the better of you, sending your heart into an arrhythmia that
rivals the tempo of a hummingbird’s wings.

Just be aware that there are enormous tolerance differences between people. So
start out slowly with minimal doses until you get a handle on how your body reacts
to these compounds.

And regarding aspirin, bag the idea of using it for anything other than pain control.
Stacking it with stimulants is out of date and actually counterproductive.â??

By the way…Salmeterol is just anther type of Beta-2 agonist like Albuterol. They are
both generics. Albuterol is the generic form of Proventil and Ventolin. Salemeterol is
the generic form of Serevent. Clenbuterol is the generic name of Spirovent. The way
generic vs trade name works…a pharmaceutical company has a “patent” for 10
years on any med they invent. They can name it anything they want and sell it for
whatever they want, but they figure out a market price or else noone will buy it. But
the drug still has a generic name. This is the way they recoup their millions of dollars
on research. After 10 years other drug companies copy the drug and prices come
down because of competition.


id like to highlight…

“”""There’s pretty compelling evidence that shows albuterol is just about as effective as
clenbuterol at increasing anabolism, with one exception: Albuterol is effective
at “clinically safe” doses (in man), and clenbuterol is not. In other words, in order to
achieve an anabolic effect from clenbuterol, you need to exceed its safety limits
(which is not necessarily dangerous or undesirable for us healthy bodybuilder types).

On the other hand, albuterol, at clinically safe doses, increases whole-body protein
content in rats by 20% in just three weeks! So it really does increase protein
synthesis.

Furthermore, there are several studies that show albuterol is effective at significantly
increasing power output and muscular endurance in man. Additionally, albuterol is
heart healthy, prevents muscle catabolism, and is a pretty darn good asthma
medicine to boot. “”"

12-16 mg seems to be the dose of choice spread out throughout the day. I personally would go 8 mg in the morning and 4 mg pwot so you dont get any insomnia. 16 may be a little extreme - but get a feel for it.
3-4 on 1-2 off. Get some Diphenhydramine to upregulate your beta receptors during the off time (OTC antihistamine)

Goood luck.

you can’t even post source of article?

If has shorter half life would mean its a lot weaker which would be less effective.

seem you would have to take a lot more albuterol and all throughout the day because of shorter half life.

[quote]shizen wrote:

If has shorter half life would mean its a lot weaker which would be less effective.

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THis isnt factual.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]shizen wrote:

If has shorter half life would mean its a lot weaker which would be less effective.

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THis isnt factual. [/quote]

well less of it running through you for fat burning purposes would seem to be less effective. They could be relatively same strength but if their less of it running through body and purpose is overall fat loss the clen would seem to work a lot better.

[quote]shizen wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]shizen wrote:

If has shorter half life would mean its a lot weaker which would be less effective.

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THis isnt factual. [/quote]

well less of it running through you for fat burning purposes would seem to be less effective. They could be relatively same strength but if their less of it running through body and purpose is overall fat loss the clen would seem to work a lot better. [/quote]

Um you take it more often at the desired dose. Thats how half lifes work for all of these bodybuilding drugs. You decide your total dose. Figure out how often it needs to be dosed based on its half life. ANd you split up the total dose accordingly.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]shizen wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]shizen wrote:

If has shorter half life would mean its a lot weaker which would be less effective.

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THis isnt factual. [/quote]

well less of it running through you for fat burning purposes would seem to be less effective. They could be relatively same strength but if their less of it running through body and purpose is overall fat loss the clen would seem to work a lot better. [/quote]

Um you take it more often at the desired dose. Thats how half lifes work for all of these bodybuilding drugs. You decide your total dose. Figure out how often it needs to be dosed based on its half life. ANd you split up the total dose accordingly. [/quote]

oh ok i see what your saying

but seem the clen would build up in system a lot faster then albuterol and have to take a lot more albuterol to get same effect.

sadly only can find liquid albuterol but lots of clen tabs for pretty cheap also. Albuterol just doesn’t seem to be nearly as out there as clen.

[quote]shizen wrote:
you can’t even post source of article?
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References:

  1. Anabolic effects of the beta 2-adrenoceptor agonist salmeterol are dependent on route of administration
    N. G. Moore, G. G. Pegg, and M. N. Sillence
    Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab, Sep 1994; 267: E475 - E484.
    2.Schiffelers SL, Saris WH, Boomsma F, and van Baak MA. beta(1)- and beta(2)-Adrenoceptor-mediated thermogenesis and lipid utilization in obese and lean men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 86: 2191-2199, 2001
  2. Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Jul;32(7):1300-6.
  3. J Strength Cond Res. 2005 Feb;19(1):102-7. Oral Albuterol dosing during the latter stages of a resistance exercise program
  4. The effects of Albuterol and isokinetic exercise on the quadriceps muscle group.Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1995 Nov;27(11):1471-6
  5. Salbutamol, a beta 2-adrenoceptor agonist, increases skeletal muscle strength in young men.Martineau L, Horan MA, Rothwell NJ, Little RA
  6. Different Ability of Clenbuterol and Salbutamol to Block Sodium Channels Predicts Their Therapeutic Use in Muscle Excitability Disorders
    Jean-François Desaphy, Sabata Pierno, Annamaria De Luca, Paola Didonna, and Diana Conte Camerino
    Mol. Pharmacol., Mar 2003; 63: 659
  7. Metabolism. 1996 Jun;45(6):712-7 Effects of oral Albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men. Maki KC

how you like them apples ahhaha

Its not always about accessibility… research.

[quote]shizen wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]shizen wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]shizen wrote:

If has shorter half life would mean its a lot weaker which would be less effective.

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THis isnt factual. [/quote]

well less of it running through you for fat burning purposes would seem to be less effective. They could be relatively same strength but if their less of it running through body and purpose is overall fat loss the clen would seem to work a lot better. [/quote]

Um you take it more often at the desired dose. Thats how half lifes work for all of these bodybuilding drugs. You decide your total dose. Figure out how often it needs to be dosed based on its half life. ANd you split up the total dose accordingly. [/quote]

oh ok i see what your saying

but seem the clen would build up in system a lot faster then albuterol and have to take a lot more albuterol to get same effect.

sadly only can find liquid albuterol but lots of clen tabs for pretty cheap also. Albuterol just doesn’t seem to be nearly as out there as clen. [/quote]

Ive used both.

Use albuterol, its a much better drug.

The much shorter halflife allows you do dose it all day, get all the fat burning and stim you need, then letter the levels drop and actually get some SLEEP.

Combine with a little bendryll at night to keep the receptors upregulated, and I had no issues running it for 6 weeks or more.

I also noticed a strength boost from albuterol, and no cramping or horrible sides.

You get the shakes at high doses, but that is true of any stim, 400mg of caffeine makes me a etch-a-sketch’s worst nightmare.

With clen my strength dropped, I had bad cramps, and horrible sleep, a shitty drug comparatively.

Agian, both are DRASTICALLY more effective with AAS, forces the body to burn the bodyfat and not the muscle tissue.

yeesssirrr. I just found out that diphenhydramine (benedryl) upregulating beta 2 receptors is only speculation… Ketotifen on the other hand has been proven to do so - If you can get a hold of it.