[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
organic food yes, organic oreos no…
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Funny a friend of mine brought these to work. I asked him how is it possible, other then tasting like fake cardboard oreos how are they organic?
There was a study recently that said there’s no nutritional difference between organic and regular foods so everybody should eat regular foods. The crazy part, is that in the same study it says the only difference was in the amount of pesticides and hormones in the food…HELLO??? isn’t that the fuckin point healthnuts were trying to make. While I’m glad conventional food is nutritious I’d prefer not to have ingredients that come with instructions on what to do if ingested on my mangoes.[/quote]
They seriously have organic oreos? I am unaware.[/quote]
Yep, He had some from Trader Joes but now even Nabisco makes them.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What is organic?[/quote]
Any compound that includes a carbon atom. [/quote]
So pretty much all food is organic. :)[/quote]
In the true definition, yep. [/quote]
and what are we arguing then? this angle makes no sense. No one is arguing about organic as a broad term, but rather how organic defines how food is grown/produced.
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Organic is an arbitrarily defined word by lobbyists. I think that is a huge point to consider.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What is organic?[/quote]
Any compound that includes a carbon atom. [/quote]
So pretty much all food is organic. :)[/quote]
In the true definition, yep. [/quote]
and what are we arguing then? this angle makes no sense. No one is arguing about organic as a broad term, but rather how organic defines how food is grown/produced.
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Organic is an arbitrarily defined word by lobbyists. I think that is a huge point to consider.[/quote]
but it does have specific guidelines. Whether you agree with those guidelines is another matter.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
organic food yes, organic oreos no…
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Funny a friend of mine brought these to work. I asked him how is it possible, other then tasting like fake cardboard oreos how are they organic?
There was a study recently that said there’s no nutritional difference between organic and regular foods so everybody should eat regular foods. The crazy part, is that in the same study it says the only difference was in the amount of pesticides and hormones in the food…HELLO??? isn’t that the fuckin point healthnuts were trying to make. While I’m glad conventional food is nutritious I’d prefer not to have ingredients that come with instructions on what to do if ingested on my mangoes.[/quote]
They seriously have organic oreos? I am unaware.[/quote]
Yep, He had some from Trader Joes but now even Nabisco makes them.
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That’s ridiculous. lol No wonder I avoid the cookie aisle. The odd occasion that I feel like a cookie, I’ll just have a regular one. Nothing more disappointing than when you want a treat and figure you’ll try some “health food” version because they’re always terrible.
No doubt in regards to your last paragraph. That’s the take-home point for me also.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
but it does have specific guidelines. Whether you agree with those guidelines is another matter.
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If the meaning of a word can be changed by policy it is of little value to us.
What was “organic” yesterday could not be tomorrow. Besides, the word itself is not synonymous with “healthy” yet people still conflate the two concepts.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
but it does have specific guidelines. Whether you agree with those guidelines is another matter.
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If the meaning of a word can be changed by policy it is of little value to us.
What was “organic” yesterday could not be tomorrow. Besides, the word itself is not synonymous with “healthy” yet people still conflate the two concepts.[/quote]
when McDonald’s stars offering an organic menu then I may agree with you 
Heads up on the pesticides. To my knowledge some of the studies don’t differentiate between pesticides like say neem oil, vs. dibromochlorphane which plays games with your balls and can make you sterile. Another aspect are pesticides that leech into the soil…
The thing is I don’t even think this part is up for debate. If people WANT to eat stuff that jacks their balls or gives their progeny neurological problems, or cancer then they can go ahead. If you ask me it’s a waste of time arguing with people who enjoy eating pesticides.
We know that in animals that toxins tend to be stored in adipose tissue, but what about plants? I always assumed that because tree nuts are encased in a shell and get no direct contact to pesticides that they would be perfectly safe to eat. But, what if it’s the case that toxins are stored in the plant fats as well considering a good bit of what is desirable from nuts is their fat content… Some important things to take into consideration.
To Lifticvsmaximvs. Fully aware that the technical language of biology defined organic a certain way long before any politicians did, I used to argue the same point… But then we have different technical language for different fields and contexts on top of the fact that language is always evolving, and ultimately slave to how the majority uses it.
What I was trying to get at was the actual food nutrient comparison, but based on foods that we feel, or at one point thought were no brainers in terms of being superior to the standard and even vice versa. Simple hypothesis here, if the food has a richer appearance, smells better, tastes better, it’s probably more nutritious.
Goal is really to find the best stuff to eat. Maybe we can forgo certain organic food categories like tree nuts, but we need to find out the specifics on how the toxins are stored in these plants.