Civil Rights for Gays, Women, Blacks

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pat wrote:
The whole notion that somehow gay people have some sort of struggle for rights vs. the civil rights struggle for blacks in this country is not even in the same ball park; hell it’s not even the same game. What color you are born vs. where you like to stick your dick are not comparable in any way, shape or form.

Gay people have the exact same rights as non-gay people, this was not the case for blacks. The whole notion that gays somehow deserve special treatment because they are gay is beyond absurd to me. Lots of people are born lots of different ways, it doesn’t mean they all deserve some special consideration. Gays do not lack any rights, period. To say otherwise is flat dishonest.

If I were black, I would be highly insulted by this comparison. Hell, I am insulted by it and I am not black.

Just because obama says it, doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

Gay people do not demand special treatment.

You too could marry a man.

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[quote]pat wrote:
The whole notion that somehow gay people have some sort of struggle for rights vs. the civil rights struggle for blacks in this country is not even in the same ball park; hell it’s not even the same game.[/quote]

Not according to Obama, who happens to be an intelligent black man who is educated on civil rights issues, whether related to race, gender, or sexual orientation.

At one sad point in our history, we had laws making it illegal for a black man to marry a white woman. People believed that blacks should marry someone of their own race, and discriminated against their CHOICE to marry someone of a different race. They found interracial marriage to be repulsive, contrary to historical precedent, and morally repugnant. They felt justified in creating laws to support these beliefs.

The comparison is obvious between that, and the fact that gays are similarly denied the right to marry the person they CHOOSE to marry.

The interracial bigots didn’t see themselves as bigots at the time, just like the gay bigots don’t see themselves as bigots today. History will have the last word, as it always does.

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[quote]orion wrote:
pat wrote:
The whole notion that somehow gay people have some sort of struggle for rights vs. the civil rights struggle for blacks in this country is not even in the same ball park; hell it’s not even the same game. What color you are born vs. where you like to stick your dick are not comparable in any way, shape or form.

Gay people have the exact same rights as non-gay people, this was not the case for blacks. The whole notion that gays somehow deserve special treatment because they are gay is beyond absurd to me. Lots of people are born lots of different ways, it doesn’t mean they all deserve some special consideration. Gays do not lack any rights, period. To say otherwise is flat dishonest.

If I were black, I would be highly insulted by this comparison. Hell, I am insulted by it and I am not black.

Just because obama says it, doesn’t make it right.

Gay people do not demand special treatment.

You too could marry a man.

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They are not advocating rights for all people. They are advocating for rights that are specific to gays that add no value to everybody, just for themselves. Civil rights are equal rights across the board, not fulfilling a wish list for every possible societal quirk. What’s next, job advocacy for freakishly tattooed people?

In the civil rights movement, equal treatment for all people were withheld for blacks, by law. Such is not the case for gays. No laws specifically withhold rights from gay people because they are gay. Further, to do so is already illegal.

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[quote]pat wrote:
They are not advocating rights for all people. They are advocating for rights that are specific to gays that add no value to everybody, just for themselves. [/quote]

Blacks weren’t advocating rights for all people. They were advocating for rights that are specific to blacks not being able to marry whites and add no value to everybody, just for themselves.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
They are not advocating rights for all people. They are advocating for rights that are specific to gays that add no value to everybody, just for themselves.

Blacks weren’t advocating rights for all people. They were advocating for rights that are specific to blacks not being able to marry whites and add no value to everybody, just for themselves.[/quote]

What about all the white boys and ladies that had jungle fever. What if back then I fell in love with a black woman, how would I marry her back then. I couldn’t, so what they were advocating had more meaning sorry.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
orion wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
orion wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
OBoile wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
Even if you take religion out of the equation, an argument against homosexuality can be found in nature itself. Humans and animals cannot produce offspring. There is a high risk of birth abnormalities with offspring of close relatives. And two humans of the same sex cannot reproduce. That’s just ONE reason why all of the above should not be allowed to marry.

You have officially been PWNED by nature.

This would be a great post if the world wasn’t already overpopulated (and particularly the USA).

Yeah when you can fit everyone in the state of Texas, we are really over populated.

If you pack them 500 feet high and feed them soylent green, so that is not really a valid argument.

500 feet high, in what year is this? Texas can easily hold everyone inside its borders. I am talking hypothetical not an actual plan.

Social scientist say we are over populated, we are not over populated, we are just urbanised, with 93% of people living in cities of 50,000 or more. The entire world be coming urbanised (majority of the world living in urban settings, instead of rural), I can understand how people would think the world is over populated.

It still does not make it true, we have vast lands that still have room to be lived on, it is just everyone needs to live with a fast paced life, with their big city, with their home, and with a high paying job.

This misconception, even if it were true, would not explain the reasoning behind homosexual acts.

In order to not only house them for an imaginary second but really do it you would also have to use all of Texas land, and only Texas land, to feed, clothe and shelter those 6 billion people, otherwise it is just cheating.

We do not have 6 billion people in the United States, unless I am mistaken. Which I am not.

Good luck providing enough food, water, timber, oil, steel, cotton etc. in Texas to support the American standard of living for 300,000,000 people. You currently can’t come close to accomplising this with all of the USA’s land, what makes you think you could do it in Texas.[/quote]

Ya’ll are taking the metaphor beyond what it is supposed to be. You can fit all of the people in America into Texas, it wasn’t a solution. It just shows if you can fit everyone in Texas, then you have 49 plus territories to fit people. Not over populated, what it is…is that everyone has to live in the city now a days, people used to live in small towns. Now everyone jams into the city, and now we are all of a sudden over populated.

If we are one of the most over populated countries, how come we got people in China falling into the Ocean and building houses on top of each other.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
They are not advocating rights for all people. They are advocating for rights that are specific to gays that add no value to everybody, just for themselves.

Blacks weren’t advocating rights for all people. They were advocating for rights that are specific to blacks not being able to marry whites and add no value to everybody, just for themselves.[/quote]

Go read your history books.

Where are the gays only water fountain? Where are the signs on the restaurants that gay’s cannot come in? Where are the hetero’s only schools? Where are the laws that state that gays cannot participate in anything? That’s right, there are none.

You cannot even remotely equate the plight of blacks, who came from slavery to being gay. It is insulting to all that they went through to gain equality. I would advise gay’s jump off that band wagon., you cannot ride the coat tales of the civil rights movement. You’re problems are far less significant.

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[quote]pat wrote:
forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
They are not advocating rights for all people. They are advocating for rights that are specific to gays that add no value to everybody, just for themselves.

Blacks weren’t advocating rights for all people. They were advocating for rights that are specific to blacks not being able to marry whites and add no value to everybody, just for themselves.

Go read your history books.

Where are the gays only water fountain? Where are the signs on the restaurants that gay’s cannot come in? Where are the hetero’s only schools? Where are the laws that state that gays cannot participate in anything? That’s right, there are none.

You cannot even remotely equate the plight of blacks, who came from slavery to being gay. It is insulting to all that they went through to gain equality. I would advise gay’s jump off that band wagon., you cannot ride the coat tales of the civil rights movement. You’re problems are far less significant.[/quote]

As I see it, you have it correct. I have known a few people that were strong in the civil rights movement and they feel pity for gay people (some do some don’t), but they are deeply offended that the gay movement is being compared to the black ‘struggle.’ This is exponentially more true since blacks are discriminated against still today, even though not nearly as much as they were.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:
orion wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
OBoile wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
Even if you take religion out of the equation, an argument against homosexuality can be found in nature itself. Humans and animals cannot produce offspring. There is a high risk of birth abnormalities with offspring of close relatives. And two humans of the same sex cannot reproduce. That’s just ONE reason why all of the above should not be allowed to marry.

You have officially been PWNED by nature.

This would be a great post if the world wasn’t already overpopulated (and particularly the USA).

Yeah when you can fit everyone in the state of Texas, we are really over populated.

If you pack them 500 feet high and feed them soylent green, so that is not really a valid argument.

Beat me to it. The USA is considered by many to be the MOST overpopulated country in the world.[/quote]

Over China and India?! And by population density, wiki has the US at 177 out of a 238 nation list.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
It’s not unanimous, nice try.

Oh really? Name a major professional medical/mental health organization that has drawn different conclusions on homosexuality than those reached by:

American Academy of Pediatrics
American Medical Association
American Psychological Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Counseling Association
National Association of School Psychologists
American Association of School Administrators
American Federation of Teachers
American School Counselor Association
National Association of Secondary School Principals
National Education Association
School Social Work Association of America
National Association of Social Workers
Surgeon General

The above organizations have conducted 40 years of research on homosexuality, and have reached unanimous conclusions on homosexuality. You disagree with them based on…what? Knowing two “ex-gay” people that joined the Catholic church because they consider being gay to be wrong, yet are still attracted to the same gender?

Thanks, but I’ll take the conclusions of these professional organizations, along with my personal experience, over your flawed case studies.[/quote]

I don’t have a dog in this fight, as I do not contend homosexuality is a sickness, but to note: only in Forlife’s world are teacher’s unions “medical/mental health organizations”.

Here it was I was certain they were just garden variety political lobbies. It is amazing what hallucinations zealotry can produce.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

This is a case of taking one thing and putting it together with another. Say, wanting to promote the propogation and raising of our citizenry by the smallest unit possible, with bio parents present. That would be, naturally, one man and woman.

But honestly, anyone who seriously opposes a welfare state would enthusiastically promote this arrangement, and guard it ferociously. [/quote]

Well said. And, as an aside, it is beyond belief why your point regarding marriage as the bulwark against a welfare state requires defending among “libertarians”.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
It’s not unanimous, nice try.

Oh really? Name a major professional medical/mental health organization that has drawn different conclusions on homosexuality than those reached by:

American Academy of Pediatrics
American Medical Association
American Psychological Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Counseling Association
National Association of School Psychologists
American Association of School Administrators
American Federation of Teachers
American School Counselor Association
National Association of Secondary School Principals
National Education Association
School Social Work Association of America
National Association of Social Workers
Surgeon General

The above organizations have conducted 40 years of research on homosexuality, and have reached unanimous conclusions on homosexuality. You disagree with them based on…what? Knowing two “ex-gay” people that joined the Catholic church because they consider being gay to be wrong, yet are still attracted to the same gender?

Thanks, but I’ll take the conclusions of these professional organizations, along with my personal experience, over your flawed case studies.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, as I do not contend homosexuality is a sickness, but to note: only in Forlife’s world are teacher’s unions “medical/mental health organizations”.

Here it was I was certain they were just garden variety political lobbies. It is amazing what hallucinations zealotry can produce.
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I wish I would have had more time to write back to him and actually look at the list, instead of just glancing to see if there was a reply. Nice catch.

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What do your school administrators pull out of this?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
OBoile wrote:

Good luck providing enough food, water, timber, oil, steel, cotton etc. in Texas to support the American standard of living for 300,000,000 people. You currently can’t come close to accomplising this with all of the USA’s land, what makes you think you could do it in Texas.

Ya’ll are taking the metaphor beyond what it is supposed to be. You can fit all of the people in America into Texas, it wasn’t a solution. It just shows if you can fit everyone in Texas, then you have 49 plus territories to fit people. Not over populated, what it is…is that everyone has to live in the city now a days, people used to live in small towns. Now everyone jams into the city, and now we are all of a sudden over populated.

If we are one of the most over populated countries, how come we got people in China falling into the Ocean and building houses on top of each other.

  • Brother[/quote]

Once again your ignorance is demonstrated clearly for everyone to see. The average Chinese person consumes far fewer resources than the average American. You seem to think that living space is then only thing that matters. Let me assure you: it isn’t.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
OBoile wrote:
orion wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
OBoile wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
Even if you take religion out of the equation, an argument against homosexuality can be found in nature itself. Humans and animals cannot produce offspring. There is a high risk of birth abnormalities with offspring of close relatives. And two humans of the same sex cannot reproduce. That’s just ONE reason why all of the above should not be allowed to marry.

You have officially been PWNED by nature.

This would be a great post if the world wasn’t already overpopulated (and particularly the USA).

Yeah when you can fit everyone in the state of Texas, we are really over populated.

If you pack them 500 feet high and feed them soylent green, so that is not really a valid argument.

Beat me to it. The USA is considered by many to be the MOST overpopulated country in the world.

Over China and India?! And by population density, wiki has the US at 177 out of a 238 nation list.[/quote]

I see we have someone else who fails to grasp that it is about more than just population density.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
What about all the white boys and ladies that had jungle fever. What if back then I fell in love with a black woman, how would I marry her back then. I couldn’t, so what they were advocating had more meaning sorry.[/quote]

They were selfishly looking for special rights limited to people wanting to marry someone of a different race. They already had equal rights; they could have married someone of the same race just like anyone else.

Do you not see how ridiculous your “logic” is?

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[quote]pat wrote:
You cannot even remotely equate the plight of blacks, who came from slavery to being gay. It is insulting to all that they went through to gain equality.[/quote]

Obama made the comparison, I just provided the quote.

Sounds like you would benefit from reading some history books yourself. You might start by Googling “pink triangle”, which gays were forced to wear in Jewish concentration camps, and which marked them as the lowest of the low.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I wish I would have had more time to write back to him and actually look at the list, instead of just glancing to see if there was a reply. Nice catch.[/quote]

So the major educational organizations agreeing with the major medical and mental health organizations somehow invalidates the conclusions of the major medical and mental health organizations? Lol.

I’m still waiting for a single reference from a major medical or mental health organization that contradicts the unanimous conclusions of the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, etc. If you’re going to claim these organizations aren’t unanimous in their conclusions on homosexuality, back it up or admit you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
You cannot even remotely equate the plight of blacks, who came from slavery to being gay. It is insulting to all that they went through to gain equality.

Obama made the comparison, I just provided the quote.

Sounds like you would benefit from reading some history books yourself. You might start by Googling “pink triangle”, which gays were forced to wear in Jewish concentration camps, and which marked them as the lowest of the low.[/quote]

Obama is a moron who talks way to much and says to little.

Consentration camps for Jews and Gays in America?! Wow, who knew! Can you tell me where one is so I can pay my respects?