[quote]Churchill wrote:
Boris I didn’t read past the word “links” for one reason, I don’t care. And I’m pretty sure no one else does either. Posting a 100 paragraph article as apposed to a link will not get your point across. Now people who have an honest opinion to submit will have to sift through the garbage you’ve just added.[/quote]
Churchill, are you always such a knob. I read the links as it is relevant to the topic and believe it or not, I learned something. Maybe you want to try it sometime.
And if you dont care about the information on which the topic is based, dont post on the thread.
[quote]Carrie77 wrote:
I am very VERY against circumcision. It is not natural, it is not your body. WHY would you cut off part of someone else’s body w/o asking their permission FIRST?
And for those that will cut, try researching it first and WATCH A VIDEO of it. You’d put your son through that? Nice dad. Yeah, you’re a real winner.[/quote]
Get off your high horse. Traditionally, it was a cleanliness issue and a very positive thing. With advances in hygiene, it’s really not necessary. But neither is it really bad. It’s a couple seconds of pain before the kid is old enough to remember it.
If the parents want it for cultural reasons or otherwise, nothing wrong with that. Studies showing more agression and violence are bunk.
[quote]helga wrote:
Churchill wrote:
Boris I didn’t read past the word “links” for one reason, I don’t care. And I’m pretty sure no one else does either. Posting a 100 paragraph article as apposed to a link will not get your point across. Now people who have an honest opinion to submit will have to sift through the garbage you’ve just added.
Churchill, are you always such a knob. I read the links as it is relevant to the topic and believe it or not, I learned something. Maybe you want to try it sometime.
And if you dont care about the information on which the topic is based, dont post on the thread.[/quote]
A knob as in… a door knob? People turn me alot? Everyone grabs and twists me to get into rooms? Is it a german joke or something? Or maybe knob has a different meaning in America.
I really hope that is BS. I am circumcised and I have no probs with sensitivity. Obviously I have nothing to compare it to, but I would be concnerned if the head of my penis was any more sensitive.
My god son was not circumcised at birth but had to go and have it done at age 6 due to so many complications with his foreskin (constant splitting).
Being circumcised myself I would probably have my son circumcised, but as I have no kids I really dont think I know what I would do until I am in that situation.
I am now consumed with the thought that I could be 70% more sensitive on my dick. I wouldn’t be able to wear clothes. I would be forced to walk around butt naked popping wood at the slightest breeze or one degree drop in temperature. These thoughts shall occupy my time throughout all eternity now…or until I hit “submit”.[/quote]
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Carrie77 wrote:
I am very VERY against circumcision. It is not natural, it is not your body. WHY would you cut off part of someone else’s body w/o asking their permission FIRST?
And for those that will cut, try researching it first and WATCH A VIDEO of it. You’d put your son through that? Nice dad. Yeah, you’re a real winner.
Get off your high horse. Traditionally, it was a cleanliness issue and a very positive thing. With advances in hygiene, it’s really not necessary. But neither is it really bad. It’s a couple seconds of pain before the kid is old enough to remember it.
If the parents want it for cultural reasons or otherwise, nothing wrong with that. Studies showing more agression and violence are bunk.[/quote]
Are you serious??? People have actually tried to link agression and violence to getting circumcized? Sheesh, and I thought linking it to creatine supplements was bad…
My wife works in the OR of a children’s hospital. They have to do at least three circumcisions a week on teenagers, even more on pre-schoolers. Better to do it when they are babies.
[quote]Churchill wrote:
helga wrote:
Churchill wrote:
Boris I didn’t read past the word “links” for one reason, I don’t care. And I’m pretty sure no one else does either. Posting a 100 paragraph article as apposed to a link will not get your point across. Now people who have an honest opinion to submit will have to sift through the garbage you’ve just added.
Churchill, are you always such a knob. I read the links as it is relevant to the topic and believe it or not, I learned something. Maybe you want to try it sometime.
And if you dont care about the information on which the topic is based, dont post on the thread.
A knob as in… a door knob? People turn me alot? Everyone grabs and twists me to get into rooms? Is it a german joke or something? Or maybe knob has a different meaning in America.
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Knob in German is Drehknopf if that helps. I dont know much German since I have never been there, but I do know how to sing ‘Happy Birthday’!
I am pretty sure that knob can be used to refer to a door handle here in Australia as well. It is good to see that you arent as stupid as you sound.
Are you serious??? People have actually tried to link agression and violence to getting circumcized? Sheesh, and I thought linking it to creatine supplements was bad…
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Yeah, and the dwindling number of pirates is causing global warming.
I checked your link Boris Whoever wrote that was a retard. check this
Allegation 2: Circumcision amounts to the “amputation” of a normal, functional body part.
Calling circumcision an “amputation” is a deliberate exaggeration that is used to to frighten prospective parents or instill a feeling of dissatisfaction and loss in those who had been circumcised as infants (see also the discussion below). Circumcision amounts to the removal of between 20% - 50% of the foreskin depending on the method used. It can therefore in no way be described as an “amputation”.
The claim is sometimes made that a baby is born with a perfect body, and that the foreskin must therefore serve a purpose like protecting the glans of the penis. That might have been the case if humans were still walking around naked. The question why human males are still born with a foreskin can of course be asked. It should, however, be born in mind that human beings have only been wearing clothing of any sort for the last 10-20 thousand years. On the evolutionary time-scale this constitutes a very brief period - certainly too short to have given nature time enough to do away with the foreskin!
Evolution favored the foreskin that is why are born with it. Before there was soap and water it wasn’t affecting longevity through infections.
Here is my theory as to why we are born with a foreskin. The forskin serves a very useful purpose in reproduction.
It has already been proven that the female orgasm causes the uterus to move up and down and dip the uterus in semen that has been ejaculated.
The tip of the foreskin forms a cup that concentrates semen right at the opening of the uterus and makes this function more effective. In circumcised men it just goes everywhere.
I would ask whoever wrote that site if the are 1 jewish and or 2 a fertility doctor.
They flippantly dismis the healthy boys who have been castrated or died as a result of botched circumcisions.
All surgery has a risk of infection. A lot more risk than having a foreskin.
[quote]Massif wrote:
I don’t think there is any reason for it these days. Whoever posted that you would have to clean your dick after every pee is retarded.
Basically, if your dick is getting infected, you are a dirty little bastard who needs to start showering.[/quote]
It’s funny because in the past there have been really long threads posted by guys who shave and do all sorts of “landscaping” work down there. If you got time to trim your pubes, you can take a few seconds in the shower to retract the skin and wash up.
One more thing to think about. It costs about $200 for 15-20 minutes worth of work. This is a nice profit center for doctors.
[quote]Carrie77 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Uh, thanks, because I had no clue what a cir-come-sission was before you posted this. By the way, what’s a “penis”?
It’s obvious that many of these men don’t have half a clue about their bodies. It’s kinda weird that a woman knows more than a man about such an important issue.
People need to quit living under a rock and freaking EDUCATE THEMSELVES before submitting their children to such a drastic procedure.[/quote]
You are very strange. I have yet to meet a person so against circumsion. I STILL have yet to meet a person that has given any valid reasons for why it’s bad as opposed to being essentially nothing-not good or bad. A large majority of men in this country are circumcised. I think we’re all doing fine.
[quote]Churchill wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Carrie77 wrote:
I am very VERY against circumcision. It is not natural, it is not your body. WHY would you cut off part of someone else’s body w/o asking their permission FIRST?
And for those that will cut, try researching it first and WATCH A VIDEO of it. You’d put your son through that? Nice dad. Yeah, you’re a real winner.
Get off your high horse. Traditionally, it was a cleanliness issue and a very positive thing. With advances in hygiene, it’s really not necessary. But neither is it really bad. It’s a couple seconds of pain before the kid is old enough to remember it.
If the parents want it for cultural reasons or otherwise, nothing wrong with that. Studies showing more agression and violence are bunk.
Are you serious??? People have actually tried to link agression and violence to getting circumcized? Sheesh, and I thought linking it to creatine supplements was bad…
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haha-well someone further up in this thread tried to.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I STILL have yet to meet a person that has given any valid reasons for why it’s bad as opposed to being essentially nothing-not good or bad. A large majority of men in this country are circumcised. I think we’re all doing fine.[/quote]
I just think it is unnecessary. We don’t need our appendix and it can get infected and kill you, but we don’t get that cut out at birth. The reasons against circumcision are just as weak as the reasons for it.
Imagine getting this done now you are grown up?
Doctor: Here, let me take a knife to your dick.
Patient: If you bring a knife anywhere near my dick, I’m going to stab you in the head.
I usually don’t get into this, but I have an interesting theory.
-I would like to see statistics on rapists and see what the percentages were on intact vs. cut.
I’m really curious, my theory is that those that are uncut, since they have more sensitive dicks, are less likely to commit a sexual assault. From my own experience, if there isn’t adequate lubrication, it is very uncomfortable, since you have a foreskin being pulled back by a dry oriface=painful.
I’m not trying to say that cut men are more violent, etc. I’m just really curious to see if there is a real connection here. I’ve never understood how a man can force a woman(or man ouch!) into unwanted penetration, simply because I know mine hurts when going in dry. The only thing I could figure out is that men that do force penetration are more likely cut. Remember to relax, its just a theory.
Aside from that, I like having a convertable. I’ve enjoyed my penis over the years, and it continues to satisfy. Also, if you can’t remember to clean yourself daily, you don’t deserve to get any oral attention anyway. Same goes for women that don’t keep their business clean and tidy.
BTW, thanks carrie for dragging my uncut penis into this thread. I’ll sleep better knowing that T-Nation has a rough idea of what my penis looks like. Maybe now I can take it to an “80’s” party and get a little turned up collar outfit for it.
As a father of two young boys, I have this to say:
Anyone commenting on this on either side of the arguement that does NOT have children, specifically boys, really has no room to say anything on the subject.
I agree that there is really no hard evidence that it is any better to get it done or not. But my wife and I decided to do it for a few reasons:
Children take “being different from others” more seriously than adults (at least most of us). Since I am, we decided our first born should be as well. And because both he and I are, we decided the second should also be.
In my experiences, from a woman’s standpont (my wife and every other woman I have been with), they prefer circumcized over non. This may NOT be the case with all women. I am not suggesting that. But since the mother of my children thought they should be “cut” (as did I) we did it. (It would be interesting to get some female input on the subject here.)
As many have pointed out, it is better to get it done early (as far as memory / trauma is concerned) rather than later.
If you are a grown man that was circumcised as a baby and feel violated / cheated, take it up with your parents. I doubt that will be a very long list.
[quote]Massif wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I STILL have yet to meet a person that has given any valid reasons for why it’s bad as opposed to being essentially nothing-not good or bad. A large majority of men in this country are circumcised. I think we’re all doing fine.
I just think it is unnecessary. We don’t need our appendix and it can get infected and kill you, but we don’t get that cut out at birth. The reasons against circumcision are just as weak as the reasons for it.
Imagine getting this done now you are grown up?
Doctor: Here, let me take a knife to your dick.
Patient: If you bring a knife anywhere near my dick, I’m going to stab you in the head.[/quote]
Just because we AS OF YET don’t have the appendix surgically removed doesn’t mean there won’t ever be advances in science to where it will be done. Wisdom teeth are removed on a regular basis because the jaws of many humans can barely sustain room for them aside from larger individuals. Many asian women are being born without any wisdom teeth at all. Your analogy doesn’t hold water because we regularly surgically remove body parts that can lead to infection. Why should this be any different? Mutilation? I think my dick looks great. In fact, I shall now strip naked and finish typing this simply because my dick is so damn beautiful.
