Circumcision

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Cut or uncut, as long as you can use it it’s fine. I have been with both and it made no difference in the actual act of sex. Of course uncut ones are more sensitive, the glans is always protected and only receives stimulation when the skin is pulled back. It is scientific fact that constant stimulation of nerves lessens sensation, therefore cut men are less sensitive because the glans are always in contact with outside stimulus.

There are more deaths from circumcision than penile cancer, so chopping a hunk of skin off of your child for 'health reasons' is a fallacy.

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without their permission…oops

I don’t think looking like the perfect waxed and toned porno fantasy and be willing to do anything a man wants is being sexually liberated. There is a spiritual lyricism about sex that neither gender acheives easily. God made it fun for a reason, but men have their sexually narrow, pretty much erection and orgasm is a man’s sexuality. Women are to worried about giving the man an erection and his orgasm. I don’t think a lot of women would actually know what an orgasm is if it bite them in the ass.
Or they think they have had one…like they say you know that warm and fuzzy feeling…um no hun thats not an orgasm, it contractions and pulsing, you’ll know it.
But then once you’ve had one…you want them to be better and its never enough…and you’re just amazed when that watery stuff squirts out and you can’t stop twitching, but once you’ve done that, there’s gotta be soemthing beyond. I think the way to get beyond is either sick depraved things (which most of us i hope don’t wawant to do) or really connected with another person and feeling the entire essence of antohter person.

Now what does this have to do with circumcision? Well a man will never know what could have been if he never had it to begin with i guess. Maybe thats why guys don’t like totalk about it.

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Deaths from circumcision? Oh, do tell.

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It’s not mutilation? Let me know if this website turns your stomach: CIRP: Circumcision Reference Library procedure/plastibell/

Male ritual circumcision resulting in acute renal failure. Eason JD, McDonnell M, Clark G. British Medical Journal 1994;309:660-661

Necrotizing fasciitis after plastibell circumcision. Bliss DP Jr, Healey PJ, John HT Waldhausen. Journal of Pediatrics 1997;131:459-462.

Gellis (1978) said there are more deaths from circumcision than from cancer of the penis. - reference - Gellis SS. Circumcision. Am J Dis Child 1978; 132: 1168-9

In "Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy," Edward Wallerstein writes 14: "If infant circumcision reduces penile cancer we could expect to see proportionately less penile cancer in circumcising nations as compared to noncircumcising ones. No such difference is found." Wallerstein reports that, for various years between 1966 and 1972, the annual rate of new cases of penile cancer was 0.8 for the United States (which circumcises), and 0.5 for Finland, 0.9 for Denmark and 1.1 for both Norway and Sweden (all of which do not). None of these differences is statistically significant. Further, within the same time frame, both France and the United States had the same rate, 0.3, of deaths due to penile cancer.

THE DES MOINES REGISTER, Des Moines, Saturday, November 20, 1982. Grand jury to probe death of baby after circumcision

CIRP-- Circumcision News desmoinesregister11-20-82/

Circumcision That Didn't Heal Kills Boy

NewsNet5 - Cleveland, OH
October 20, 1998
http://www.noharmm.org/evansdeath.htm

THE STATE, Columbia, South Carolina, Page F21, July 10, 1992.

BOY IN COMA MOST OF HIS 6 YEARS DIES
CIRP-- Circumcision News 1992.07.10%3aboy-dies/

But the exact risk has not been established. In hospitals, circumcision death can occur from secondary causes such as liver failure, kidney failure, pneumonia, and blood poisoning; according to circumcision authority Edward Wallerstein, health professionals may fail to link these deaths to their original cause. It seems likely that nonfatal complications go unreported for similar reasons. http://www.beliefnet.com/story/ 46/story_4669_1.html

AIDS does not kill people - secondary, opportunistic infections kill people. Circumcision doesn't kill babies, the complications after the procedure can.

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Ok, I just wanted to say that I think people are making way too big a deal about this issue. We’re talking about a small flap of skin - let the argument die. Neither way is wrong or better. I do not think there is any reason for a woman to freak out, or be disgusted by, a penis on the basis of being natural or cut. That’s my opinion.

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Again, bullshit until you prove otherwise. Provide a mechanism or at least some reputable, peer-reviewed article outlining some mechanism. I could write a whole article on who rhinoceros shit is great for arthritis, but it doesn’t make it true.

The one I’m really interested in is circumcision causing pneumonia. Give me a fucking break.

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“…I want you to play with my ding-a-ling…”

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80% of the worlds male population ARE NOT curcumsised.

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“Provide a mechanism or at least some reputable, peer-reviewed article outlining some mechanism” You’re right, the British Medical Journal is probably not peer reviewed, they just make it up as they go along.

Infants and young girls who are raped (long before they can actually remember or comprehend the act) grow up to have serious sexual problems. Why do you not see the direct parallel between chopping off a hunk of flesh from a baby's penis (without the benefit of anestetic I might add) to most men's serious hang ups about their penis's?

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This is just getting ri-dick-ulous! No pun intended. You’re cut or uncut. Whichever you prefer or have done is your own perogative. Don’t make it out to be more than it is! Mutilation, rape and serious problems? Give me a break!

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Uncircumcised men are better people than circumcised men…:wink:

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Granted the breast implant scenario isn’t as direct an analogy as some would like but it still speaks to preference. Which is what I thought the original post was about. Apparently I was mistaken.

" Its human rights. Its the right of everyone to not have body parts cut off with there permission." Ok, to play Devil’s Advocate, WHO says it human rights? You? Who are you to say this and have it accepted as a universal truth? Last I checked your handle wasn’t GOD but Whiskey. And even if you took that handle, somehow I think you would lose whatever credibility you may currently possess and would harm your crusade instead of aid it.

Do you apply this same logic to the unborn fetus’ right not to be aborted? Or would you be ok with circumcision if it happened in the womb, before the baby was a “person”? What about conjoined twins? Should they not be separated until they are of legal age to consent to the procedure? What of a “Do Not Recesitate” circumstance? Babies cannot consent to their parent’s decison to treat or to withhold treatment. Is that another “human rights” issue since treatment may involve cutting of the infant’s flesh?

I agree that a person’s appearance is no assurance of their capacity for enjoying sex. Conversly, just because a person may look “perfect[ly] waxed and toned [like a] porno fantasy” is no reason to assume that they do not fully enjoy the eroticism, sensuality and “spiritual lyricism” that sex has to offer. I agree in a very generalized way with your statements on men and women’s “typical” outlook on sexuality. However, I’m not enough of an asshole to judge how much satisfaction a person receives from their orgasm. Just because I sometimes convulse, squirt and feel nauseous from the systemic contractions doesn’t mean that MY orgasm is any “better” than someone else’s when they don’t do those things. I don’t always do them either. Sometimes it’s just a feeling of release. So does that make me repressed and naive when I don’t to convulse? Um, no. Anyway…

So, out of curiosity, what ax is it you are grinding? Just seems all your posts have a similar theme. Not that I mind, it is indeed better to have something to debate instead of who should have what role in what movie, etc.

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OK, people this is getting completely out of hand. While I applaud those who champion either side of this debate so vehemently, lets not make mountains out of molehills here. And really, what would a woman or a man circumcised at birth know about being uncircumcised anyway?

Forget all this talk of genital mutilation and the like, OK? I am not circumcised. Does it look kinda silly? I guess it does, to me at least. Does it require more attention to hygiene? Absolutely. Is it more sensitive? Yes. (At times, oral sex is so intense that during orgasm the penis is almost painful to the touch.) Did I ever wish I was circumcised? All the time as a teenager, especially when all my friends were. Will I ever get cut? I don’t think so, as neither my partner or I have a problem with it. Will I ever get my kids circumcised? I don’t think so. They will have to decide that for themseves as adults…as I did.

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So, I was doing my Cardio and thinking about this thread. In particular why so many people are so passionate about it, perhaps it is not the act of cutting the penis that is upsetting to the uncut. Or the fact that the uncut Pocket Rocket is not as esthetic looking as a cut one eyed trouser trout. More so men are taking this as a personal attack on their Johnson’s, Cut or Uncut. (Defend the Prick at all costs Boys, Cover me I’m going in)


Maybe we should just let Women debate this as they are not defending their Tally Whackers. They may however be defending the love muscle of a current lover, or the decision they made with their own babies Vienna sausage.


Alright I really have nothing to add to this thread but I wanted to see how many variations of the male member I could work into one post.
Nine if your keeping count, I couldn’t figgure out how to work in Purple Headed Yogurt Slinger or Mushroom on a stick.

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I have thinked the United States of America is the symbol of freedom and free will and so on… But not anymore. I haven’t even known that that sick circumcision is lawful in the US.

There is a world outside US, and perhaps you don’t know, or don’t want to admit, that most of the world’s guys are not circumcised. The more I read comments about these who “defend” circumcision, the more I think the freedom in the USA is an lie.

USA claims to be civilised nation. There are different cultures, different traditions etc. in different countries. Circumcision is against human rights. Who says so? Everybody knows that, who lives in civilised country!

If you guys and gals still continue with that arrogant tone, that you are right, and that circumcision it is just a “small thing” and that arguing about it is ridiculous, then I think your country is just as bad as those “terrorist countries” you wage war against.

It is bullshit to say other countries are evil, when you are breaking the human rights too!

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Jussi, please shut the fuck up until you get a clue.

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Okay, this is getting crazy. First we start taking foreskins, then we destroy the consitution. I can really see that happening. I guess we should ask the babies what they want, correct? Be serious. I can’t even argue anymore because this is INSANE. Circumcision is a human rights violation? If you add circumcision to one of the reasons why you think the USA is a bad country you just lost your turn at the arguement table, in my opinion of course.

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You know, I usually just lurk, but sometimes when I read something assinine I have to respond. Well, look no further than Jussi’s “thought provoking” post.

"I have thinked the United States of America is the symbol of freedom and free will and so on... But not anymore. I haven't even known that that sick circumcision is lawful in the US."

Jussi, please explain why circumcision is sick. I'm circumcised and I'm interested in hearing why this is so horrible to you.

"There is a world outside US, and perhaps you don't know, or don't want to admit, that most of the world's guys are not circumcised."

Well, actually the way these other countries are allowing a madman to rule,torture,and rape a country as he damn well pleases and to hide their heads in the sand makes me not want to admit that there is anything outside the U.S. Fuck the rest of those counries. Sans Great Britain there all a bunch of socialist commies anyway...but I digres.

"The more I read comments about these who "defend" circumcision, the more I think the freedom in the USA is an lie."

Oh, it's lie! That constitution and all, it's just fake. It was made up to bring numbskulls like you to our country, and it has worked like a charm. Your right, your "freedom" would be endless in China. You might try relocating there.

"USA claims to be civilised nation. There are different cultures, different traditions etc. in different countries. Circumcision is against human rights. Who says so? Everybody knows that, who lives in civilised country!"

Is english your second language? I ask this because you can't seem to piece together a sentence with at least respectable grammar. I'm not even going to respond to your last thought.

"If you guys and gals still continue with that arrogant tone, that you are right, and that circumcision it is just a "small thing" and that arguing about it is ridiculous, then I think your country is just as bad as those "terrorist countries" you wage war against. It is bullshit to say other countries are evil, when you are breaking the human rights too!"

Wow!It takes a lot of guts to make a comment that stupid. Let's get some things straight:

1. Many, but not all U.S. boys are circumcised.

2. We do not deny our women the right to vote.

3. We do not kill our own citizens for questioning our government.

4. Our president does not have hired men called "Professional Rapists" to terrorize our women.

5. We do not circumcise our women. Which is a huge difference than circumcising a male. I'm sure you'll try to compare the two and then you'll be wrong.

So, Jussi, have we learned anything? Please think before you say things like, "I think your country is just as bad as those "terrorist countries" you wage war against." It makes sound like complete moron.

Dustin

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While reading your post i got a little worked up and got an itch to get on this thread and make you look like a god damn fool. But that’s when i realized, you did it for me! Keep up the good work! :slight_smile:

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All the porn guys are snipped. That’s enough of an endorsement for me.