Circumcision Equality

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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First, as I pointed out previously, that site is not a credible source. Second, the fact that a judge made a comment doesn’t mean the US government has designated CAIR a terrorist group. If you want to make that case, you’re going to have to provide a link to a Homeland Security website of terrorist groups that includes CAIR.

Even if true, I’m not sure what this distinction is supposed to imply.

True, a candidate is not responsible for who likes them. But if a particularly heinous sort of individual consistently and publicly line up behind one candidate, that is telling, and should be troubling to anyone who is considering supporting that candidate.

I looked at the PDF, and do not understand what your point is in that regard. Can you clarify?

Not sure why it’s “weird” that I responded to the content of your comments.

Fine. I hereby declare that I donate 95% of my income to charity. I also claim to make a million dollars a day (which is why I can afford to donate so much to charity).

I assume you don’t believe me.

Has the discussion been advanced?

BTW, I will remind you that I made no inquiries about your charitable activities, so this silliness is all of your doing.

I made no accusations. You are again misconstruing my criticism of libertarianism as an attack on you.

So your contention is the KKK “endorsed” HRC, but they didn’t want her to be elected?

Then it should be really, really easy for you to provide any number of links to white-supremacist websites where they espouse support for Democratic candidates, shouldn’t it? Yet thus far, no such links have been forthcoming.

As I quoted you, I was clearly responding directly to your comment.

Only to those who think redressing demonstrable inequities stemming directly from centuries of systemic, institutional discrimination on the basis of race equals racism. To the rest of us, it’s the exact opposite.

Libertarian psychoanalysis? Now I’ve heard everything.

If he gets his way vis a vis his desired Muslim ban, then unequivocally yes.

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I’m sure Trump just wants to protect American citizens from the playground of terrorists that Europe has become through mass immigration of those who are culturally incompatible. Seems reasonable enough to me to stop that.

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I disagree concerning 1) Trump’s motivations, 2) the characterization of Europe as a “playground for terrorists,” and 3) the dog-whistle observation of ‘cultural incompatibility.’

Finally, I would point out that your comment supports my answer to @BrickHead’s question.

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@anon71262119
Well in that case… I don’t think it is illegal or immoral. I think it is a product of mental weakness and coddling. College is about challenging your beliefs, encouraging critical thinking, and forcing you into uncomfortable situations.

I came from a 99% white farm town. Pitt couldn’t have been a better place for me to go. It sits right in the inner city. I got to discuss world events with Egyptians. Get my ass handed to me by an Asian at ping pong. I met ancaps and radfems and black panthers and actual real-life communists handing out Mao’s little red book (right next to the guy doing credit card signups lol). I met a homeless crazy savant on the bus who taught me a better way to do the integrals I was struggling with.

I’m sure that happens to everyone. That wouldn’t happen if I stayed in an all white dorm and hung out only with Finance majors.

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Wow…the kind Obama hung out with in College? Cool…

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I disagree, respectfully, with your response. [quote=“EyeDentist, post:87, topic:229275”]

  1. Trump’s motivations,
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So he doesn’t want to protect his citizens at all, just became President for monetary personal gain. Gotcha[quote=“EyeDentist, post:87, topic:229275”]
2) the characterization of Europe as a “playground for terrorists,”
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I don’t see why not.
Most are protected by special laws to prevent discrimination, mass immigration allowing them run towns for themselves, incompetent politicians not taking action in response, Judges allowing crimes based on them being a Muslim.
Most importantly, numerous European Leaders telling their people to get used to attacks. [quote=“EyeDentist, post:87, topic:229275”]
dog-whistle observation of ‘cultural incompatibility.’
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Well how else would you describe the fact that 52% British Muslims think homosexuality should be Illegal. That is blatant incompatibility.

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Well, of course I don’t believe you, you are being sarcastic. But I learn pretty much all I need to from your dodging and discomfort on the subject. And you did remark on my apparent charitable nature and the notion that classical liberalism and charity are contradictory.

Ok. totally random and tangential comment in response to my post… that isn’t about my post. I’d appreciate you maybe note that in the future, because it was pretty confusing.

Well, no. I’m not claiming to know what the mentally handicapped people at the KKK really wanted. I don’t think it’s wholly unreasonable either way. Me personally? I don’t care. I don’t put any stock in the official endorsements of lying extreme fringe idiots who might be saying the opposite of what they want to play at childish reverse psychology. You are the one that stated the value of white supremacist endorsements. Are you now contending that we can’t trust the value of the official endorsements of candidates by white supremacist groups after you said it mattered for Republicans?

Just to be clear. Now endorsements matter again? The goal post has now moved to me finding sights from white supremacists supporting Dems? Dude, racism and segregation are leftist ideologies today. I’ve pointed out explicit examples. You’ve refuted none of what I’ve pointed out. I never stated anything about Dems. I never stated anything about supremacist group endorsements. I never stated anything about their websites. The playing field is 500 yards long at this point. Argue your own side or refute my claim. I’m not playing the game of proving claims I never made.

I’m not a libertarian. So why are you calling me one?

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And this are unrelated items. Your logic path is flawed. Addressing inequities on the basis of DISCRIMINATION is not only not equal to but contradictory to doing so on the basis of race. Addressing inequity from discrimination doesn’t necessitate treating people differently by race (what everyone else acknowledges as racism). And yes addressing discrimination for one person and not for another because of the victims race is 100% racism. Which is what you advocate.

There are 2 kinds of white supremacists around, though one is extremely rare. The first type is the guy that thinks “white people are the best, we should get to treat others like the animals they are.” The other type thinks “white people are the best, those poor incapable colored people can’t compete with us whites unless we give them an artificial boost.” It is the racism of lowered expectations and it is widely spread and common, mostly in one party. YOUR position and YOUR policy is exactly what would be arrived at by someone who was a good natured white supremacist.

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My understanding: not being an intelligence expert. The FBI was developing informants at CAIR to find certain suspects in the US. Then it was discovered through the Holyland trial that CAIR was a coconspirator with the Holy land foundation and a front group for Hammas. So they issued that 6 page memo suspending all contact with CAIR unless it was part of a criminal investigation of CAIR. It is still in effect.

So the US government doesn’t trust CAIR.

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That’s the part that the left…even the well reasoned left like E can’t get their arms around. They hate him so much how could he possibly want to do anything good? It’s pure projection on their part…and that is one of the things that will most likely cause them to lose in four more years.

Hate is all consuming…

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He is a demagogue. He said what he said to get elected. It is my contention that if he thought it would have helped him win to say ‘We will throw open the doors to welcome the huddled masses of Syria,’ he would have said it. That’s how demagogues roll.

That’s because you are responding disproportionately to acts of terrorism–which is exactly the goal of acts of terrorism.

I don’t know what it means to say ‘homosexuality should be illegal.’ (Perhaps you mean homosexual behavior?)

But at any rate, “White evangelical Protestants, by about two-to-one (59% to 30%), think that homosexuality should be discouraged.” That evidences “blatant incompatibility” too, I assume. Based on this, I take it you think that, like Muslims, Trump should ban the immigration of white evangelical Protestants to the US?

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That’s a halt to immigration and poses no repression to US citizens, including Muslims living here!

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@EyeDentist A separatist is someone who wants to live amongst his own kind in a racially homogeneous nation, thereby making it impossible to hold supremacy over others not of his kind. A supremacist wants to subjugate others. Malcom X was an example of a separatist.

With this distinction, can you provide the name of one supremacist with any influence, of any race? Every outspoken racially oriented character with any influence running around these days has stated they want separation, not supremacy.

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Show me the last time protestants hung gays or threw them off buildings. It’s not just ISIS. This is sharia law as practiced in many nations.

Before you draw your false moral equivalence the Catholic church USED to do the same thing. But most of the world’s religions have stopped executing people for heresy and religious crimes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

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ha hahaha hoo hee ha ha …he’s a politician they all do that to a certain extent. Remember Obama saying he was going to close Gitmo? And he was going to have the most transparent administration ever?

I mean really E…you are better than this.

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What you should have learned about me is I don’t discuss that sort of thing with strangers. What you think you learned, I have no control over.

Anything I said that you took to be about you personally was a misconstrual on your part (perhaps owing to poor phrasing on my part). But I will say–again, and ‘for the record’–that no part of my comment was directed at you personally.

You’re dodging. And it’s a total cop-out to suggest that they’re “mentally handicapped.” (To say nothing of being insulting to those who are actually cognitively challenged, BTW.)

‘Saying the opposite of what they want’ = they’re not REALLY endorsing her. Bingo. So let’s stop with the nonsense that the KKK and other white supremacists supported HRC.

Only to libertarians and like-minded individuals.

It does if the inequity was race-based.

The way I read it, it seemed to be a criticism of inappropriate FBI behavior directed at CAIR.

Look at your original assertion; it said nothing about US citizens.

Further, in his campaign Trump alluded to the need for a ‘Muslim registry.’ He also called for ‘mosque surveillance.’ Finally, his original Muslim ban would have barred US citizens who were Muslims from returning home.

So while Congress and/or the courts may prevent laws of this sort from being enacted, it won’t be because of a reticence on Trump’s part.

I do indeed. I also remember the reason he couldn’t get it done (ie, the GOP-controlled House).

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Obama too was a massive demagogue. He completed accepted Transgender bathrooms as that was popular opinion at the time. Its almost as if a Politician, who represents the people, changes their views based on what the people want.

Please come up with an actual arguments.

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That’s almost too silly to respond to. I can point to DOZENS of Trump’s public positions that flipped during the campaign, as he ‘read the room’ and started exploiting people’s unease and fear. (That’s what demagogues do.) You can’t do the same for Obama. Oh, you can come up with one or two things whereby his opinion changed over the years, but nothing on the scale of Trump.

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OK, play time’s over–I have to get some work done. Thanks for the discussion one and all.

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^Indeed.

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Well you asked for 1 or 2 so I’ll provide:

  • Keeping Guantanamo Bay trials open after Promising to close them

  • Extending the Bush Cuts after Promising to end them

  • Flipping on Gay Marriage - This ones pretty funny as he said in his biography he considered being gay

He’s changed his opinion on many things and so has Trump. Its almost as if someones beliefs can change over time. Wow.