^^^ But he can do that because he’s not a liberal.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
^^^ But he can do that because he’s not a liberal.
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I have voted Republican and voted Libertarian in my life. In fact the only Democrat I have voted for was a friend who was running for local office and lost.
I moved away from the Republican party as I viewed it as a mirror of the Democrats and I became more interested in the Libertarian movement while reading a lot of Austrian economics. I have shyed away from some of my Austrian thinking because frankly I’m not sure how that would work in the real world. My views are constantly changing based on the arguments I see and read. I have a few people who call me fake libertarian because they don’t buy the anti-state argument of pro gay marriage, pro marijuana, pro gambling, pro choice and other things they disagree with. They call this a liberal point of view which it is not. It is a freedom point of view.
And these things are in the Libertarian platform which I don’t agree with everything in there but I do agree with most of the arguments. And I’ve been pretty damn consistent throughout my history on finding fault with the few liberals on here and the numerous “fake” small government conservatives.
A few on here call themselves Libertarian despite taking the exact opposite belief of most libs on almost every single social issue. I guess when Republican becomes a curse word, some will pretend they wave the same flag as us. We don’t really have a need for those type of people who attempt to wrestle the social freedom we desire away from us simply because they agree with our fiscal point of view.
Although if one wants to call me liberal because I’m pro gambling, pro strip clubs, pro legal drugs, pro equal treatment of gays, that is fine with me. I’m not going to shy away from those views because I think they represent freedom and going against them represents tyranny.
We allow ourselves to be categorized by being for the most part forced into being either a D or an R.
Then, whether we truly agree with that categories politics, we dogmatically defend them, out of fear of the other side being worse than the one we belong to.
Meanwhile, very few to none of us truly fee represented by our party. Our support of our parties seem to be more related to how much we fear and dislike the other party, moreso than it has to do with how much we like our own.
There’s doublespeak in things like libertarianism and freedom today. If we let one group have freedom, it takes away freedoms from others because all the resources of land, and our ability to exploit the land is limited. Weird thing is our philosophy of freedom and liberty were based off of the frontier and what seemed like endless land to settle and exploit… There is no more frontier anymore, therefore we aren’t free in the same sense our ancestors were.
What’s the point of being a human if we can’t live or treat one another as we should? Human life itself is quite devalued as a whole throughout the world, in part because there are simply too many of us.
It’s like, at some point your party boned you. Do you remember that or do you ignore it? For liberals, we have to ask ourselves about Benghazi, and all the promises Obama made. What ever happened to increasing taxes on the Koch brothers?
For R’s, how is it you don’t see your party exploiting their money and positions on things like drug testing welfare and the tricks pulled during the election with voting?
The banks run the country, and have us bickering over little shit while our social and monetary mobility are minimized by bankers.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Classic…
This rubbish
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO are more concerned with Debate, Information and Learning
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Is followed by:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think you two are boy friends 
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It’s as if you planned this out to be ironic. [/quote]
I know , it is a weak attempt at a sense of humor
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
^^^ But he can do that because he’s not a liberal.
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Sorry man, that was intended for the Pitt/CountingBeans post. There was a big time lag on the appearance of posts between those.
I shoulda used the quote function.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Notice how he will skim over all of that (Push isn’t a big fan of reading other people’s words) and ignore it. [/quote]
I’m not defending anyone here, but I see this as a problem across the board on PWI.
I think it’s partially due to how we are conversing, but only partially. [/quote]
With pussharder it’s due to him being a troll who wants attention. That’s why, if you notice, the posters he puts on ignore are the ones who gave it back to him and he couldn’t take it. They expose his limited intelligence as well as his weak sense of humor. He’s a whiny attention whore. I almost feel bad for making him cry.
The whole circle jerk thing is partly based on the fact that the so-called conservative posters here lack the courage to call pussharder on his trolling (or is it simply that he is not too bright?) and play apologists and fanboys. What was the point of this thread? Obviously it was a chance for him to get some attention and call some posters names. I think he has estrogen issues.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
^^^ But he can do that because he’s not a liberal.
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I have voted Republican and voted Libertarian in my life. In fact the only Democrat I have voted for was a friend who was running for local office and lost.
I moved away from the Republican party as I viewed it as a mirror of the Democrats and I became more interested in the Libertarian movement while reading a lot of Austrian economics. I have shyed away from some of my Austrian thinking because frankly I’m not sure how that would work in the real world. My views are constantly changing based on the arguments I see and read. I have a few people who call me fake libertarian because they don’t buy the anti-state argument of pro gay marriage, pro marijuana, pro gambling, pro choice and other things they disagree with. They call this a liberal point of view which it is not. It is a freedom point of view.
And these things are in the Libertarian platform which I don’t agree with everything in there but I do agree with most of the arguments. And I’ve been pretty damn consistent throughout my history on finding fault with the few liberals on here and the numerous “fake” small government conservatives.
A few on here call themselves Libertarian despite taking the exact opposite belief of most libs on almost every single social issue. I guess when Republican becomes a curse word, some will pretend they wave the same flag as us. We don’t really have a need for those type of people who attempt to wrestle the social freedom we desire away from us simply because they agree with our fiscal point of view.
Although if one wants to call me liberal because I’m pro gambling, pro strip clubs, pro legal drugs, pro equal treatment of gays, that is fine with me. I’m not going to shy away from those views because I think they represent freedom and going against them represents tyranny. [/quote]
We’re actually pretty similar on this stuff, although I did vote for a union take over of a shop I was in. More because the CEO was a gigantic prick and that was the last thing he wanted- than because of any political affiliation.
In the past couple of election cycles I’ve been considering voting the opposite though. It seems that politicians are so completely full of shit that you could probably get closer to what you want by voting for the opposite than you could by voting for the guy who totes the party line most vociferously.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Notice how he will skim over all of that (Push isn’t a big fan of reading other people’s words) and ignore it. [/quote]
I’m not defending anyone here, but I see this as a problem across the board on PWI.
I think it’s partially due to how we are conversing, but only partially. [/quote]
With pussharder it’s due to him being a troll who wants attention. That’s why, if you notice, the posters he puts on ignore are the ones who gave it back to him and he couldn’t take it. They expose his limited intelligence as well as his weak sense of humor. He’s a whiny attention whore. I almost feel bad for making him cry.
The whole circle jerk thing is partly based on the fact that the so-called conservative posters here lack the courage to call pussharder on his trolling (or is it simply that he is not too bright?) and play apologists and fanboys. What was the point of this thread? Obviously it was a chance for him to get some attention and call some posters names. I think he has estrogen issues. [/quote]
No clue. Maybe some day I will see if my few people on ignore have grown up and matured, but that time won’t be soon. Better just to blank out their hypocrisy and immaturity.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
We’re actually pretty similar on this stuff, although I did vote for a union take over of a shop I was in. More because the CEO was a gigantic prick and that was the last thing he wanted- than because of any political affiliation.
In the past couple of election cycles I’ve been considering voting the opposite though. It seems that politicians are so completely full of shit that you could probably get closer to what you want by voting for the opposite than you could by voting for the guy who totes the party line most vociferously.
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Honestly the older I’ve got the more I see the two parties as being equal on most stuff. For some reason despite the absolutely abysmal polling of both parties Americans are convinced a solution must come from the Democrat or Republican party. I believe this is the very definition of insanity especially when we have seen back to back Presidents who are similar on almost all the big stuff.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
We’re actually pretty similar on this stuff, although I did vote for a union take over of a shop I was in. More because the CEO was a gigantic prick and that was the last thing he wanted- than because of any political affiliation.
In the past couple of election cycles I’ve been considering voting the opposite though. It seems that politicians are so completely full of shit that you could probably get closer to what you want by voting for the opposite than you could by voting for the guy who totes the party line most vociferously.
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Honestly the older I’ve got the more I see the two parties as being equal on most stuff. For some reason despite the absolutely abysmal polling of both parties Americans are convinced a solution must come from the Democrat or Republican party. I believe this is the very definition of insanity especially when we have seen back to back Presidents who are similar on almost all the big stuff. [/quote]
At the risk of circle jerking, I must say I agree. Unfortunately, the old adage that a vote for any other party is a wasted vote has some pretty serious teeth. People who only barely agree with one party or another will risk doing the same thing over and expecting different results in lieu of voting for a lost cause or guaranteed loser, thus contributing to and guaranteeing loss.
At the risk of painting with a broad brush, I’d say that only the most far sided of idealists are voting for either party with any real conviction that it is the right thing to do.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
We’re actually pretty similar on this stuff, although I did vote for a union take over of a shop I was in. More because the CEO was a gigantic prick and that was the last thing he wanted- than because of any political affiliation.
In the past couple of election cycles I’ve been considering voting the opposite though. It seems that politicians are so completely full of shit that you could probably get closer to what you want by voting for the opposite than you could by voting for the guy who totes the party line most vociferously.
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Honestly the older I’ve got the more I see the two parties as being equal on most stuff. For some reason despite the absolutely abysmal polling of both parties Americans are convinced a solution must come from the Democrat or Republican party. I believe this is the very definition of insanity especially when we have seen back to back Presidents who are similar on almost all the big stuff. [/quote]
At the risk of circle jerking, I must say I agree. Unfortunately, the old adage that a vote for any other party is a wasted vote has some pretty serious teeth. People who only barely agree with one party or another will risk doing the same thing over and expecting different results in lieu of voting for a lost cause or guaranteed loser, thus contributing to and guaranteeing loss.
At the risk of painting with a broad brush, I’d say that only the most far sided of idealists are voting for either party.
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You can really see it now with Bush and Obama being so similar. Watch as the left all of the sudden was “ok” with Guantanamo and continuing wars and surveillance which they were all up in arms when Bush did it. See how the right screams Benghazi but defended Iraq (and ironically surveillance) when it was their team in charge.
Honestly it is scary and you can see it on this very board often. You can see people say “well Bush was better because or well Obama never did this like Bush.” It is people so invested in demonizing a group of people that they will completely ignore anything done by their own group as long as the magic letter is the one they like. Both sides are as complicit as it comes and yet people still want to argue about all the differences in the two. Which is good because both parties have a big investment in convincing the general public to trust them and hate the other guys.
And over and over and over again we still do it. No matter how low generic Democrat and generic Republican approval levels are we will still elect them over and over because after all this is the “new” Democrat or Republican and they are nothing like those other guys/gals you disliked.
Appalling.
A middle aged man that has over 36,000 posts and has to make a new thread because someone said circle jerk is telling me I’m taking things too seriously? Wow. Uhmm, ok. How about not trolling every thread putting down random forum members and making up stuff like belly flop, harold, and talking about dicks, rectums, and cum all the time? I guess your branch of Christianity is based largely on cock references? Must be a verse I missed!
Of course you aren’t taking ANY of this seriously because you need to constantly remind us that it’s not a big deal to you even though you have 36,000 posts and make an entire thread just to troll because apparently real life doesn’t have enough fun things for you to do. Meanwhile you have a thread where about 15 straight forum members call you out, you acknowledge it and then return to your usual behavior making sure to post something as insane as you complaining about personal attacks which is sorta like Miley Cyrus complaining about media attention whores.
One of us is taking things so seriously that he felt the need to make a thread over the deal and come up with little pet names for people he didn’t like because apparently middle aged American men in Montana have a LOT of free time.
Guess taking you off ignore to see that comment was groundbreaking. Back you go on. And you can save your future advice for someone who can see your posts.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
^^^ But he can do that because he’s not a liberal.
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true irony
I know
[quote]H factor wrote:
A middle aged man that has over 36,000 posts and has to make a new thread because someone said circle jerk is telling me I’m taking things too seriously? Wow. Uhmm, ok. How about not trolling every thread putting down random forum members and making up stuff like belly flop, harold, and talking about dicks, rectums, and cum all the time? I guess your branch of Christianity is based largely on cock references? Must be a verse I missed!
Of course you aren’t taking ANY of this seriously because you need to constantly remind us that it’s not a big deal to you even though you have 36,000 posts and make an entire thread just to troll because apparently real life doesn’t have enough fun things for you to do. Meanwhile you have a thread where about 15 straight forum members call you out, you acknowledge it and then return to your usual behavior making sure to post something as insane as you complaining about personal attacks which is sorta like Miley Cyrus complaining about media attention whores.
One of us is taking things so seriously that he felt the need to make a thread over the deal and come up with little pet names for people he didn’t like because apparently middle aged American men in Montana have a LOT of free time.
Guess taking you off ignore to see that comment was groundbreaking. Back you go on. And you can save your future advice for someone who can see your posts.
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36,000 posts!!! Not only is he a douche but he’s a loser as well. A snowbound oaf who needs the internet to show everyone (well, the dozen people who post here) that he’s smart. And he has yet to prove that even after 36,000 posts.