Christopher Hitchens Dies

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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He was a good, if flawed man, who was right on many things and wrong on others. The internet, as it does, latched onto some of his more extreme views, because that’s what gains currency on the internet, and started to acclaim him as the heir to Swift and Voltaire. Which he is most certainly not. His last few years, when he unfortunately contracted cancer, have been humbling to watch, where he has produced some of his best work, but his career is chequered in quality to say the least.

I am glad the imminent prospect of his death did not make him change his views however.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I’ve seen it, and it made me reek
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Better go take a shower then.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
After he died #Godisnotgreat started trending on twitter.

Check out some of the reaction from the crazies

http://twitter.com/#!/jes3ica/status/147692354772549632/photo/1[/quote]

I think it is time to start exploring whether vicious idiocy and abysmal spelling are genetically linked.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

By the way, we all know ignorance suits you, but Schnitzel is not a german dish- “Mr. Taco-Boy”!
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Obviously…

We all know German cooking is almost as unpalatable as German humor :-)…

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

If he’s so not right about the invisible god of pedophiles, he can’t be brilliant.
With this question, there is really no middle ground.
And how would you -a “believer”- find him a great thinker without being completely inconsistent? [/quote]

Well, now that’s bloody retarded don’t you think? So what–Newton wasn’t a fucking genius because he was wrong about time being immutable and Einstein proved that was possible? Come the fuck on. You can be perfectly brilliant and still be wrong. Being smart and a great thinker doesn’t mean you are de facto right all the time. In some corners of physics, certain tenets of Einstein’s relativity are being questioned seriously now (ie–that nothing can travel faster than light). Does that mean fucking EINSTEIN wasn’t brilliant?? Give me a break.

Pull your head out of your angry atheist ass and talk some sense. I don’t have to agree with somebody to think highly of their reasoning skills and admire their dedication to intellectual thought and the pursuit of knowledge whether they’re christian or atheist.

[quote]Finally, you’re a utterly tasteless moron for writing this shit as part of your condolences:

And dudes get censored for writing pacifistic stuff in threats about “soldier day” or stuff like that.
This is not offensive? (Not that I give a crap about offensive internet writ)

“Yeah, you friend died, I’m tooootally sorry, but he’s in hell now and my god is torturing him and I find this awesome! Off I am to preach the gospel of my wonderful god who’s full of love”[/quote]

Your problem is that you believe Tirib was being sarcastic. He wasn’t. He really feels sad and grieved about it because that’s what he believes has happened, so he said so. As much as I find a lot of stuff Tirib says very annoying, he’s a genuine poster. So you can bluster off. Clearly you care about “offensive internet stuff”.

On related note, people I disagree with about some things but still respect highly as thinkers: Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Kant, Foucalt, Jung, Bertrand Russell, Hume, Hobbes, and that’s just philosophy and off the top of my head. If you’re moron enough to not be able to respect anybody you disagree with then you’re clearly about as well developed emotionally and mentally as a 4th grader.

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[quote]Bambi wrote:
He was a good, if flawed man, who was right on many things and wrong on others. The internet, as it does, latched onto some of his more extreme views, because that’s what gains currency on the internet, and started to acclaim him as the heir to Swift and Voltaire. Which he is most certainly not. His last few years, when he unfortunately contracted cancer, have been humbling to watch, where he has produced some of his best work, but his career is chequered in quality to say the least.

I am glad the imminent prospect of his death did not make him change his views however.[/quote]

Thoroughly agreed. I admire his dedication, and yes, his career has been on/off quality.

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Aragorn, you miss my point. I don’t think I felt ever offended.

Perhaps some of the eulogy poopers could tell my where the difference lies between what the Westboro loons do and what is being written here?

It’s funny because last time I checked, those guys are pretty much hated here. By none other then christian rightwingers.

Just like the Westboro church.
They just want to wake America up! Fucking atheists won’t understand…

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Aragorn, you miss my point. I don’t think I felt ever offended.

Perhaps some of the eulogy poopers could tell my where the difference lies between what the Westboro loons do and what is being written here?

It’s funny because last time I checked, those guys are pretty much hated here. By none other then christian rightwingers.

Just like the Westboro church.
They just want to wake America up! Fucking atheists won’t understand…

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Honestly, the man wasn’t exactly sensitive about a deceased Mother Teresa or John Paul II. I’m not going to pile on the guy, but this has been pretty restrained for a man who seemed to have little restraint himself. End of my participation.

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Great and entertaining debater, sad to think I won’t be seeing him tear up stuttering priests and politicians any more.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Aragorn, you miss my point. I don’t think I felt ever offended.

Perhaps some of the eulogy poopers could tell my where the difference lies between what the Westboro loons do and what is being written here?

It’s funny because last time I checked, those guys are pretty much hated here. By none other then christian rightwingers.

Just like the Westboro church.
They just want to wake America up! Fucking atheists won’t understand…[/quote]

Schwarzy, I think I am going to have to apologize. I was having a very bad day and I let it carry over into my posting with you. Very thoughtful of you to respond civilly.

Speaking solely of what tirib posted, I am failing to understand the equivalence of “God hates fags” with “i am sad and grieved to see that he dies in all probability without his saving Grace”. The two are simply not anywhere near equivalent. If you are speaking of the twitter responses, sorry I am not on twitter and I dont read them.

However in regards to your posting about “how can you say he is brilliant-if he is wrong about the existence of God then he can’t be brilliant” nonsense then I did not miss your point and you are simply wrong.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Though a vicious enemy of his creator God, I am grieved to see this man die most likely out of His saving grace.

So does this mean that your loving all forgiving god has more than likely cast Mr. Hitchens into a burning pit of fire to be a tortured soul for eternity?

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Though a vicious enemy of his creator God, I am grieved to see this man die most likely out of His saving grace.

So does this mean that your loving all forgiving god has more than likely cast Mr. Hitchens into a burning pit of fire to be a tortured soul for eternity?
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The day of judgement have yet to be, so Hitchens are non-existent at the moment, but he`s souls eternal faith will be decided on the day of judgement. Off course this will only happen if the God of Abraham exist.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Though a vicious enemy of his creator God, I am grieved to see this man die most likely out of His saving grace.

So does this mean that your loving all forgiving god has more than likely cast Mr. Hitchens into a burning pit of fire to be a tortured soul for eternity?
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The day of judgement have yet to be, so Hitchens are non-existent at the moment, but he`s souls eternal faith will be decided on the day of judgement. Off course this will only happen if the God of Abraham exist. [/quote]

I’ll always appreciate the brilliant wit of Hitchens, as well as others like Dawkins, Dennet. etc. Hitchens sheer intelligence and ability to make the argument was astounding to say the least. I’m thankful for authors such as him for giving shape to what I already knew in my heart, and more importantly, in my mind.

I loved watching Hitchens slaughter the opposition in the many debates that he had with noted believers. His cool demeanor, and clear razor sharp reasoning was an inspiration. The world owes him a debt of gratitude for his contributions.

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Never heard of him… Did he matter to anyone?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Never heard of him… Did he matter to anyone?[/quote]

Yes. He was a real inspiration to me, seriously. He was always more than willing to throw the bullshit flag on anyone, I mean ANYONE. Left, right, the pope, mother theresa, believers and non-believers alike; he’d call you out and beat you up with his casual superior intelligence.

He’s one of the great minds who made me proud to be a member of the reality based community.

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As a tribute to Hitch, here are a few quotes:
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“Europeans think Americans are fat, vulgar, greedy, stupid, ambitious and ignorant and so on. And they’ve taken as their own, as their representative American, someone who actually embodies all of those qualities [Michael Moore].”

“The four most over-rated things in life are champagne, lobster, anal sex and picnics.”

“Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did.”

“One must state it plainly,” he said. “Religion comes from the period of human pre-history where nobody - not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms - had the smallest idea what was going on.”

“A good liar must have a good memory,” he said. “Kissinger is a stupendous liar with a remarkable memory.”

“Millions of people would have mindlessly starved to death if [Gandhi’s] advice had been followed.”

“Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.”

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Though a vicious enemy of his creator God, I am grieved to see this man die most likely out of His saving grace.

So does this mean that your loving all forgiving god has more than likely cast Mr. Hitchens into a burning pit of fire to be a tortured soul for eternity?
[/quote]He was no more damnable than anyone else without Christ. I actually liked the guy. I enjoyed listening to him. He was clearly a brilliant and clear thinking individual as have been and are vaaaast multitudes of other unbelieving people. Some of them right here in these forums. I have loudly said so myself.

Sin, death, righteousness and life have literally nothing whatever to do with intelligence or elocution or the lack of either. I saw the glory of the God he spent his life denying in the gifts that that God had given him. If he died as he lived then he is lost and yes he will suffer the just sentence for his eternal crimes against the throne of the most high God and His Christ. The same just sentence that I myself deserve a thousand times over.

Oh yeah. God is neither ALL loving nor ALL forgiving in the sense that finite men attempt to force upon Him. He is holy first. His holiness governs the rest of His incomprehensibly magnificent attributes of which love is most definitely a big one. Before you bombard me with questions? Every answer is in my posting history. However I might point you in the right direction. I have legs now though.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Though a vicious enemy of his creator God, I am grieved to see this man die most likely out of His saving grace.

So does this mean that your loving all forgiving god has more than likely cast Mr. Hitchens into a burning pit of fire to be a tortured soul for eternity?
[/quote]He was no more damnable than anyone else without Christ. I actually liked the guy. I enjoyed listening to him. He was clearly a brilliant and clear thinking individual as have been and are vaaaast multitudes of other unbelieving people. Some of them right here in these forums. I have loudly said so myself.

Sin, death, righteousness and life have literally nothing whatever to do with intelligence or elocution or the lack of either. I saw the glory of the God he spent his life denying in the gifts that that God had given him. If he died as he lived then he is lost and yes he will suffer the just sentence for his eternal crimes against the throne of the most high God and His Christ. The same just sentence that I myself deserve a thousand times over.

Oh yeah. God is neither ALL loving nor ALL forgiving in the sense that finite men attempt to force upon Him. He is holy first. His holiness governs the rest of His incomprehensibly magnificent attributes of which love is most definitely a big one. Before you bombard me with questions? Every answer is in my posting history. However I might point you in the right direction. I have legs now though.[/quote]

It’s funny how you “have legs”, but have time to hang around and edit your posts.

You just typed out “just sentence for ETERNAL crimes” in the same post where you complain about FINITE men trying to force attributes onto God. That is also quite funny.

I really don’t see why any of you waste time trying to communicate with this guy, I certainly know this will be my last post where I address him directly. Now stop wasting your time being outraged at what he says, the poor guy has no choice but to spew forth what his bible tells him.