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Like I said they can look if they want. If not? That’s fine too. You can link that old thread if you want as well. Your idolatrous and spectacular whoredom is on full display there. Go ahead. You took a golden opportunity to show forth the glorious view of womanhood in the new testament and turned it into a showcase for positively satanic filth and carnality. The last thing I saw was the submit button on my last post there.

Like I’ve said already. You will pay not only for yourself, but for that precious woman whom you have betrayed and defiled. You can crow about imaginary victories all you please, but if you do not repent you are gonna have the most heartrendingly rude awakening imaginable when God shows forth how you treated your wife before all the hosts of heaven. You think that’s holy? You are sick.

All anybody need do is look through your posting history. If they see Jesus there? That’s between them and God.

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Wait… what?

You Christians seem to disagree on… a lot, but surely you can agree on whether or not swinging is biblical? Please provide link to the relevant debate.

Btw Tirib, you promised me answers, where am I on the waiting list?

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Wait… what?

You Christians seem to disagree on… a lot, but surely you can agree on whether or not swinging is biblical? Please provide link to the relevant debate.

Btw Tirib, you promised me answers, where am I on the waiting list? [/quote]

maybe after he answers your questions, he’ll address mine.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< You Christians seem to disagree on… a lot, but surely you can agree on whether or not swinging is biblical? >>>[/quote]CHRISTIANS HAVE agreed on that for 2000 years.[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< Please provide link to the relevant debate. >>>[/quote]He can if he wants to. I made a promise when I clicked submit on that last post that I would never touch that thread again. I haven’t and I won’t. I have not seen one syllable past my last post and never will. I’ve grown a lot since then, but you can judge whether I’m sour over having been bested in a debate. I’m staring at the screen having just typed that. Unbelievable. Really. This site and this world are drowning in godless sexual degeneration. He is the only person I have ever personally encountered who has attempted to marry the holy spotless lamb of God to that.

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< It’s a compliment on your grasp of scripture. However understanding scripture has little meaning if the scripture is false. >>>[/quote]Quite so[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< Proof for me… hmm how about you get two of your brothers together and pray that I be saved? It’s supposed to be answered if you are of sufficient faith, right? >>>[/quote]Neither my prayers nor anyone else’s can either overcome your will or make you one of God’s elect. However I already do pray that you be saved because in God’s eternal decree He may have ordained that my prayers be answered in His saving you. Maybe your parents prayers too. I would love to have the opportunity to pray for you with them. People who are led by the Spirit in asking “anything” in His name will know what to ask. The promise of the answered prayer of agreement is not captive to the caprice of men.

God has definitely impressed upon me that my salvation was the answer to at least two people’s prayers for sure. My grandmother on my father’s side and a guy (and His church) who picked me up hitch hiking back from Jail when I was 18 whose name I can’t remember.[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< You honestly believe there is any vice I’m so addicted to that I would say no thanks to eternal salvation just to have a few more years of wallowing in filth? You think I hate God and glorify evil? You have quite an imagination on you.[/quote]Ya know I started a response to this, but I’m going to ask you to do something first. I’m just asking and I’ll answer anyway if you don’t do it. I’m asking you to read Pauls’s epistles to the Romans through in a good modern translation. The ESV will work though I prefer the NASB. Not a huge fan of the NIV ,but it will do. The KJV is a fine work, but is pretty rough on us 21st century folks for simple reading. It’s 16 short chapters. Would you do that? If you want me to read something I’ll do it too.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:<<< maybe after he answers your questions, he’ll address mine. >>>[/quote]Look here Sparky. I gave you all I’m givin you until you show a little initiative. It would take a me a 40 hour week to properly address that wall of eisegetical hackery you threw at me. Pick a passage or a principle. OR, Gill will give you answers I trust, but you will have to look. John Gills Exposition of the Bible Commentary

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:

Also, I cannot speak for other brands of “Christianity”. If you’re a Pentacostal wacko for example, I would expect your kids to reject such nonsense as soon as they are old enough to reason on their own. There are all kinds out their that claim the name of Christ, as we’ve gone over before. If you’re not going to fully follow the bible with reverence, humility, and diligent study, it’s anybody’s guess what results you’ll get with your kids.

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Why do you consider Pentalcostal’s wackos?
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This is a worthwhile question, so even though it’s a few pages back already, here ya go:

First, if you’re going to follow the bible in practice, then you need to put in a reasonable amount of time to study and learn what the bible says. A christian is commanded to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2Ti 2:15) There are some practices peculiar to pentacostal “christianity” that are clearly nonsense, when you study the bible as it pertains to these particular practices.

Let’s take the most glaring pentacostal idiocy- “speaking in tongues” Youtube is blocked where I’m at, but I’m sure you could find a clip of such a church service. Kenneth Copeland, the TV megapreacher is big on this stuff. What are tongues in the bible really? In the Old Testament, the word tongue(s) appears 161 times and ALWAYS means- the slippery thing in your mouth, or a natural language that at least some people speak and understand, like English or Farsi. I speak two. When you plug this definition into the passages in the New Testament, it becomes very clear what is happening in Acts chapter 2 or 1Corinthians chapter 14 for example. The Pentacostals take verses from these passages out of their context, ignore how the bible has already defined tongues more than 100 times, and make up a practice where they blabber gibberish, and think it’s some kind of heavenly prayer language. It’s lunacy.

Conclusion: They are wackos.
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I’ll ask my friend who is Pentalcostal about this.

There is definitely some weird worship going on in some sects.
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Ask him this: “What are tongues for?” Ask him to just give you a one sentence answer based on what he thinks the bible teaches.

If I’ve faded off this thread, you can shoot me a PM.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< That’s not what this is about. It’s about your inability to maintain a civil discussion. You, like many here, just have to go personal after awhile.

You remind me of some folks running for office. After a bit of campaigning while discussing the issues you get to looking at the poll results and surmise that your only chance of regaining some sort of a lead is to “go negative” and attack your opponent on personal grounds. It’s such a passe method of debate.[/quote]Oh knock it off now will ya? Talk about disingenuous. All I’ve heard from you since is how I’m all whiny now because you showed your superior bible knowledge by mangling me in that debate. Post the freakin link or shut up huh? I don’t know if you noticed, but I’ve been pert near as hard on Aragorn here as I am on you. Not because I hate either one of you, but because I love Jesus and am commanded to defend His truth which is historic and abundantly recorded for all to see.

Only people who claim His name can dishonor it. You don’t see me beatin up on Ben or Sparky here like I am you and Aragorn do ya? Aragorn may be REALLY offended now. My putting you and he together like this. His not understanding why I do that will be further confirmation of what I’ve been saying. Once again. I don’t exactly know what it is about this guy, but Quick Ben will get this lol.

I DO NOT even dislike either one of you guys. That’s not the piont at all

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[/quote]I guess your pastor is completely reformed then; if he doesn’t believe this stuff, he would likely be shunned by the True Pentacostals.

It’s interesting you said “he agrees with me on tongues”. Of course, I know what you mean. Non-believers will perceive such statements to suggest- Oh, one more subject the Christians argue about. In fact, your pastor simply now acknowledges the plain fact that in the OT, “tongue(s)” always is one of two things I stated. I’m not making an issue here, just an observation. Non-believers often think “Christians” are arguing about how to interpret the bible. Really though, we just need to read clearly what God’s word says. This is why I prefer the term bible-believer, rather than another denominational label. It gets to the crux of the matter for a true Christian- God’s word is to be read, believed, and obeyed. “Interpretation” is almost never an issue.

The bible teaches itself, IF we come to it without bias, comparing scripture with scripture. This is one of the reasons we know it’s God’s book.

Let’s not give therajraj anymore hints about tongues now :wink: We want to see what his friend says on his own.

Ok, It’s noon here. I have to get back to work…

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[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< He also personally attacked my wife. >>>[/quote]Post the link or shut up liar. You’re a liar. I have never once uttered so much as a derogatory syllable directed at your wife and I hereby defy you to demonstrate otherwise. I have expressed nothing but sorrow for her having a dead idolatrous lecher for a husband. You just hung yourself liar. I expect to see a quote with time, date and links of me attacking your wife or you will have forever destroyed ANY credibility a godless whore claiming Christ could have ever had left.

WHERE!!! Bring it loud mouth. You REALLY did it this time. Link the thread and my attacks on your wife. This is now the third or fourth dare to you from me to which I have gotten zero response. REPENT!!! Do it today. Tomorrow is not promised to you. You can add slanderously bearing false witness against your neighbor to your list of bold slaps in the face of God.

We’re all waiting.

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“For those who are all curious about the Tirib/Push brouhaha I will give a synopsis.”

One other thing- I suggest you guys start up a Who’s the liar thread, and not clutter up this one. Then we all could more easily choose what we want to read.

Just trying to keep things organized.

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You are going to say that a man “personally attacked my wife” and when asked for proof of such an outrageous allegation you resort to the above? This is the internet age Push. Everything we’ve said is recorded on this site. I have no problem finding those old posts. I can find that last post of mine if you like and link to it. Should I? You think even these pagans are going to buy that I made dishonoring attacks against somebody’s wife and accept your pathetic stab above, I dare say your are mistaken. Come on somebody. I know you’re dyin to see me discredited. Ask him to show where I did this.

It is no surprise that a man with non existent moral character, who perverts the word of God into a porn mag, is also a liar.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< your continual harping about me >>>[/quote]for the tenth time. Aragorn brought you up, not me. I wasn’t even thinking about you. I went like 8 or 9 months after that big thread and didn’t address you once.[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< But your vendetta against me is tiresome. I pity you. Move on, guy. >>[/quote]Oh NOW you wanna move on huh? [quote]pushharder wrote:<<< Edit] See Mr. Chen’s advice in the post above. Move on to bigger and better things.[/quote] That’s not what he said. Two posts ago. What’s goin with you man?