[quote]ephrem wrote:
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Oh I see, the 2 groups took similar pictures so that obviously proves something without any facts whatsoever.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…it saddens me; humanity…[/quote]
There there, it’s ok. The ones on the left won’t be around to fight the one on the right too much longer and then we will have a world of peace and tranquility for you to revel in.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Hey Irish…just to take your logic and use it the same way…Obama supporters are all criminals and trash, my evidence is here among these mugshots. These people did not only plan something, they carried it out and got arrested. Obama “cults” or followers must have a propensity for violence…right?[/quote]
Please. That’s not using logic- that’s a red herring that has nothing to do with this. [/quote]
LOL…well…I mean geez, I’m so surprised there isn’t a thread about how most criminals are Obama supporters because you progressives are so busy jerking each other off to Healthcare, Amnesty, IRS expansion and entiltlement programs.
It’s hard for me to understand your complete and utter distain for anyone who believes in God. Did you know you are in a small minority? Every group has fringe elements as I displayed in my previous post.
Your advanced dissatisfaction with Christians or religion is pretty insecure to say the least. I don’t get how you guys just think that you are so enlightened and above board that you need to bash peoples religion, and God. These God Given rights and values were and ARE a key component to the US Constitution, which you many like you would probably mistake for a piece of toilet paper.
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HA! Please motherfucker. You’re the guy that traded getting drunk on booze to getting drunk on God.
Forgive me if I don’t take your newfound beliefs seriously.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You really are a blast. I’ll keep prayin for ya buddy. [/quote]
Save your breath.[/quote]
For what? That’s what prayer is for my friend. That’s some Christian terrorism there. Stormin the gates of hell covered in the full armor of God petitioning the father on behalf of a hard heart? I can see the sneer on Bill Maher’s face as I type this. How disgustingly ignorant and anti intellectual huh?[/quote]
Absofuckinglutely.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Hey Irish…just to take your logic and use it the same way…Obama supporters are all criminals and trash, my evidence is here among these mugshots. These people did not only plan something, they carried it out and got arrested. Obama “cults” or followers must have a propensity for violence…right?[/quote]
Please. That’s not using logic- that’s a red herring that has nothing to do with this. [/quote]
LOL…well…I mean geez, I’m so surprised there isn’t a thread about how most criminals are Obama supporters because you progressives are so busy jerking each other off to Healthcare, Amnesty, IRS expansion and entiltlement programs.
It’s hard for me to understand your complete and utter distain for anyone who believes in God. Did you know you are in a small minority? Every group has fringe elements as I displayed in my previous post.
Your advanced dissatisfaction with Christians or religion is pretty insecure to say the least. I don’t get how you guys just think that you are so enlightened and above board that you need to bash peoples religion, and God. These God Given rights and values were and ARE a key component to the US Constitution, which you many like you would probably mistake for a piece of toilet paper.
[/quote]
HA! Please motherfucker. You’re the guy that traded getting drunk on booze to getting drunk on God.
Forgive me if I don’t take your newfound beliefs seriously.
[/quote]
Rosie,
Actually, a religious high is quite a physically real and very interesting experience.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Hey Irish…just to take your logic and use it the same way…Obama supporters are all criminals and trash, my evidence is here among these mugshots. These people did not only plan something, they carried it out and got arrested. Obama “cults” or followers must have a propensity for violence…right?[/quote]
Please. That’s not using logic- that’s a red herring that has nothing to do with this. [/quote]
LOL…well…I mean geez, I’m so surprised there isn’t a thread about how most criminals are Obama supporters because you progressives are so busy jerking each other off to Healthcare, Amnesty, IRS expansion and entiltlement programs.
It’s hard for me to understand your complete and utter distain for anyone who believes in God. Did you know you are in a small minority? Every group has fringe elements as I displayed in my previous post.
Your advanced dissatisfaction with Christians or religion is pretty insecure to say the least. I don’t get how you guys just think that you are so enlightened and above board that you need to bash peoples religion, and God. These God Given rights and values were and ARE a key component to the US Constitution, which you many like you would probably mistake for a piece of toilet paper.
[/quote]
HA! Please motherfucker. You’re the guy that traded getting drunk on booze to getting drunk on God.
Forgive me if I don’t take your newfound beliefs seriously.
[/quote]
Dude, I don’t even own a bible. Again, your advanced stage of hate for people who believe in God is truly laughable. What makes you so angry? Yes I did quit any and all drinking for 2 years (2007-2008) while I was going through a rough divorce and custody battle.
Demonstrate and prove to me how I am now drunk on God?
I’m remarried now to a woman with no kids, therefore you are completely wrong about me being a “Motherfucker”.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Dude, I don’t even own a bible. Again, your advanced stage of hate for people who believe in God is truly laughable. What makes you so angry? Yes I did quit any and all drinking for 2 years (2007-2008) while I was going through a rough divorce and custody battle.
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Helluva time to quit drinking.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Dude, I don’t even own a bible. Again, your advanced stage of hate for people who believe in God is truly laughable. What makes you so angry? Yes I did quit any and all drinking for 2 years (2007-2008) while I was going through a rough divorce and custody battle.
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Helluva time to quit drinking.
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Long Story…but it was the right thing to do given the battle I had ahead.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
<<<>>>
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I just take the word and example of the guy who wrote it and it’s original practitioners.[/quote]
You are revealing your ignorance regarding Islam right there. Tell me, how do YOU happen to know “the word and example of the guy who wrote it and it’s original practitioners” so very well? Did you witness it first hand? No?
I’m assuming “the guy” refers to Muhammad? Muhammad did not “write” the Qur’an or the hadiths. In the earliest days of Islam, the revelation (ie: the Qur’an) was passed on orally. It was not committed to writing until after Muhammad’s death. Furthermore, the accounts of the Prophet’s life (ie: the hadiths) were also committed to writing well after his death, and are ranked based on how true they are believed to be. This is a highly contested process.
How do you know that all the MANY interpretations of jihad that do NOT define it as murder are wrong? What makes you the expert?
Islam has no central church, no central authority figure, to tell Muslim believers what a “correct” interpretation of the revelation is. Instead, there are many competing spiritual leaders. I would argue that the vast majority of Muslims do not literally think of jihad as “murdering the infidel”; however, there is a very visible minority who do, so I can understand how your perception of this may have been formed.
Please, spare me this bullshit. Differing interpretations do not equal “essential redefinitions”. By the very act of reading a document, you interpret it. Humans have brains, we think about what we read, hear, etc. We don’t simply absorb it and regurgitate it. That “mountain of information” could NEVER remove all doubt.
I highly recommend you pick up the book I recommended above, if you are at all interested in ACTUALLY informing yourself regarding the modern practice of Islam. But please, stop spewing bullshit when you’re clearly not so well-informed.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I kind of agree with both you and trib. I agree that if you get down to nuts and bolt of religious text, most aren’t all that different. I also don’t think anyone here is studied enough on all the different religious documents to make an unbiased thorough comparison.
Let me preface this by saying that I’m not arguing for or against any religion. I’m not saying any major religion has it right or wrong.
I do however think that Islam is different in it’s present practices. Don’t several of the major schools of Islam preach violence? Do the others move to eradicate the violence from their own religion by all reasonable means?
Other religions have been more outgoing at removing barbarism. Hell, even sects like Mormonism stamped out polygamy in their ranks by every means possible. (legally separated, condemned the practice, kicked out people who did it, sued over polygamous churches using the Mormon name, eventually change their name, ect.) Pretty much all religions have done horrible things, and even have barbaric teachings in their scripture. However, I don’t fault present day ones who do all in their power to end such practices.
Am I wrong to think Islam hasn’t done this?[/quote]
I think some of the trouble here stems from thinking of Islam as some sort of monolithic whole, as if there is some central “Islamic authority”. There isn’t. Within Islam, there are many different sects, and within each of these sects there are sub-sects, and within these, there are many spiritual leaders. Therefore, there are a multitude of differing interpretations and practices within Islam. And many of them claim to be practicing “true” Islam while denouncing all the others.
I would argue that those Muslims involved in extremism and violence are a small, but very visible, minority within the Muslim community (which, btw, is huge and NOT only limited to the middle east and north africa). I also believe it’s very important to pay attention to the recent history of the middle east to understand the rise of extremism, and why it’s so hard to eliminate. In short, Colonialism, neo-Colonialism, wars, etc, have completely fucked up the social and political climate in much of the middle east, and left a lot of people there very angry, and feeling powerless to better their situation.
Let me be clear, I do not think this in ANY way justifies violent extremism, but it’s important to recognize that it’s NOT a result of the ‘nature’ of Islam or Muslims. Rather, it’s the result of a set of very complex circumstances, along with the ‘nature’ of human beings as a whole.
P.S. In early Islam, Muslims recognized themselves, the Jewish, and Christians all as “People of the Book”: All worshiping the same God, via revelations revealed to different Prophets. Muslims recognize Moses and Jesus as Prophets, along with Muhammad. The “jihad” of early Islam was against those who were worshiping false idols, and engaging in a sort of polytheism, and, most importantly, were trying to kill Muhammad and his followers for their beliefs. Just to give this whole notion of jihad during early Islam some context.
[quote]RBlue wrote:
<<< I highly recommend you pick up the book I recommended above, if you are at all interested in ACTUALLY informing yourself regarding the modern practice of Islam. But please, stop spewing bullshit when you’re clearly not so well-informed.
[/quote]
I satisfied myself on Islam over 20 years ago through several months of detailed study. Admittedly I haven’t kept up on it since, but it predates the 80’s by quite a bit. I don’t need to remember all the minutia to know the essentials of what I learned. What we see every day is exactly in line with the historical research I did then. I will say that I am up to my armpits in Muslims here in Detroit and have yet to meet the first one who will unequivocally condemn the 911 attacks, Osama Bin Laden or any other act of terror being committed by these people all over the world. We have the highest concentration of muslims in the U.S.
I will also say however that they are generally pleasant to me personally, especially the women even when discussing controversial things like terrorism. If discussion is even the word. As soon as I simply and earnestly ask their view or even try to lead them with something like: [quote]I sure was relived to learn in my dealings with muslims here that most don’t believe in jihad like Osama Bin Laden does[/quote] Almost to a man, blank uncomfortable stare followed by a quick change of the subject. The women tell me to ask their husband. I thought about recording some for the edification of people like yourself, but I’m usually in their home and it would be legal suicide. (computer repair customers of mine)
Keep on coddling them. It’s just what they want. For the record there are plenty of religions I reject whose proponents I would still welcome to this country before anybody tries that one. Islam is mortally dangerous. It’s incredible that that is still even being debated and we do so at our own peril. We will one day, probably long after it’s too late, recognize this. In the meantime the attacks will continue, the denunciations from other muslims will be few and measured and we will trip over ourselves trying to prove how inclusive and tolerant we are.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
<<< I highly recommend you pick up the book I recommended above, if you are at all interested in ACTUALLY informing yourself regarding the modern practice of Islam. But please, stop spewing bullshit when you’re clearly not so well-informed.
[/quote]
I satisfied myself on Islam over 20 years ago through several months of detailed study. Admittedly I haven’t kept up on it since, but it predates the 80’s by quite a bit. I don’t need to remember all the minutia to know the essentials of what I learned. What we see every day is exactly in line with the historical research I did then. I will say that I am up to my armpits in Muslims here in Detroit and have yet to meet the first one who will unequivocally condemn the 911 attacks, Osama Bin Laden or any other act of terror being committed by these people all over the world. We have the highest concentration of muslims in the U.S.
I will also say however that they are generally pleasant to me personally, especially the women even when discussing controversial things like terrorism. If discussion is even the word. As soon as I simply and earnestly ask their view or even try to lead them with something like: [quote]I sure was relived to learn in my dealings with muslims here that most don’t believe in jihad like Osama Bin Laden does[/quote] Almost to a man, blank uncomfortable stare followed by a quick change of the subject. The women tell me to ask their husband. I thought about recording some for the edification of people like yourself, but I’m usually in their home and it would be legal suicide. (computer repair customers of mine)
Keep on coddling them. It’s just what they want. For the record there are plenty of religions I reject whose proponents I would still welcome to this country before anybody tries that one. Islam is mortally dangerous. It’s incredible that that is still even being debated and we do so at our own peril. We will one day, probably long after it’s too late, recognize this. In the meantime the attacks will continue, the denunciations from other muslims will be few and measured and we will trip over ourselves trying to prove how inclusive and tolerant we are.[/quote]
So you have a few short, uncomfortable conversations with a few Muslims you deal with professionally, and suddenly you’re an expert on ALL Muslims everywhere?
It’s obvious from the way you’ve responded to my posts (ie: not actually addressing any of the points I’ve made), that rather than thinking critically about your point of view and how it stacks up to the world around you, you’ve made up your mind and aren’t going to let anything change it.
Close-mindedness is not a good quality to have, but at least you share something with the Muslim extremists.
[quote]RBlue wrote:
<<< So you have a few short, uncomfortable conversations with a few Muslims you deal with professionally, and suddenly you’re an expert on ALL Muslims everywhere?
It’s obvious from the way you’ve responded to my posts (ie: not actually addressing any of the points I’ve made), that rather than thinking critically about your point of view and how it stacks up to the world around you, you’ve made up your mind and aren’t going to let anything change it.
Close-mindedness is not a good quality to have, but at least you share something with the Muslim extremists.[/quote]
Look it’s like this. People like you claim that the vast majority of the world’s muslims are peace loving practitioners of many variations of charitable Islam and a small visible minority are the ones we always hear about carrying out the daily attacks.
If that is so then where is the near universal outcry from the hundreds of millions of offended muslims who’s religion and reputation are being harmed by this very small extremist minority?
My view of Islam was formed through study. Largely it’s historical theological roots. It left an impression on me. I have as I’ve already admitted, forgotten many of the individual details as it’s been a while. People do retain the overall thrust of many things in life the details of which may not be immediately recalled. When the 911 attacks happened it was for me a spectacular example of what I had previously learned were the general historical aspirations of Islam.
Everything we’ve seen since and what are actually a couple dozen and probably more personal conversations, have simply confirmed that. One would suppose that if the vast vast majority of muslims, especially in the United States, were religiously opposed to these extremists, that in the north American capitol of Islam they would be very prominently observed. They are not only not very prominent, but if they are here at all are damn near invisible.
Then I run into people like you, who are probably a very nice person BTW, I don’t know you, I have nothing against you, but who try to convince me through academic posturing that what I see isn’t the case. If your position is accurate there are at the very least a billion plus global muslims who have every reason to loudly condemn and denounce this small number of so called extremists yet we see almost none of that. What we do see are people who are not muslims curiously denouncing them on their behalf even in the face of their deafening silence.
[quote]RBlue wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
<<< I highly recommend you pick up the book I recommended above, if you are at all interested in ACTUALLY informing yourself regarding the modern practice of Islam. But please, stop spewing bullshit when you’re clearly not so well-informed.
[/quote]
I satisfied myself on Islam over 20 years ago through several months of detailed study. Admittedly I haven’t kept up on it since, but it predates the 80’s by quite a bit. I don’t need to remember all the minutia to know the essentials of what I learned. What we see every day is exactly in line with the historical research I did then. I will say that I am up to my armpits in Muslims here in Detroit and have yet to meet the first one who will unequivocally condemn the 911 attacks, Osama Bin Laden or any other act of terror being committed by these people all over the world. We have the highest concentration of muslims in the U.S.
I will also say however that they are generally pleasant to me personally, especially the women even when discussing controversial things like terrorism. If discussion is even the word. As soon as I simply and earnestly ask their view or even try to lead them with something like: [quote]I sure was relived to learn in my dealings with muslims here that most don’t believe in jihad like Osama Bin Laden does[/quote] Almost to a man, blank uncomfortable stare followed by a quick change of the subject. The women tell me to ask their husband. I thought about recording some for the edification of people like yourself, but I’m usually in their home and it would be legal suicide. (computer repair customers of mine)
Keep on coddling them. It’s just what they want. For the record there are plenty of religions I reject whose proponents I would still welcome to this country before anybody tries that one. Islam is mortally dangerous. It’s incredible that that is still even being debated and we do so at our own peril. We will one day, probably long after it’s too late, recognize this. In the meantime the attacks will continue, the denunciations from other muslims will be few and measured and we will trip over ourselves trying to prove how inclusive and tolerant we are.[/quote]
So you have a few short, uncomfortable conversations with a few Muslims you deal with professionally, and suddenly you’re an expert on ALL Muslims everywhere?
It’s obvious from the way you’ve responded to my posts (ie: not actually addressing any of the points I’ve made), that rather than thinking critically about your point of view and how it stacks up to the world around you, you’ve made up your mind and aren’t going to let anything change it.
Close-mindedness is not a good quality to have, but at least you share something with the Muslim extremists.[/quote]
you madam are a “USEFUL IDIOT”. its old soviet political jargon. its the perfect description of people like you. you allie with, and defend a religion/political system. that holds you and your beliefs in utter contempt.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
I think some of the trouble here stems from thinking of Islam as some sort of monolithic whole, as if there is some central “Islamic authority”. There isn’t. Within Islam, there are many different sects, and within each of these sects there are sub-sects, and within these, there are many spiritual leaders. Therefore, there are a multitude of differing interpretations and practices within Islam. And many of them claim to be practicing “true” Islam while denouncing all the others.[/quote]
Hardly matters who is “right,” when so much senseless and heinous murder, oppression and abuse of other human beings goes on – all in THE NAME OF ISLAM.
BTW, given all you’ve written here, how can YOU be so sure that Tirib’s read on things isn’t the right one? Are you sure that you’re right?
PS: Last I checked, 3 or 4 of the major “schools” of Islam still condoned death for apostates. Care to comment?[/quote]
The point I was trying to arrive at in what you quoted above, is that there is no central Islamic church with the authority to denounce and “drive out” those who commit violent acts in the name of Islam. Not that it would stop them from doing so. Human beings have always used belief in a higher power as justification for “senseless and heinous murder, oppression and abuse of other human beings”. That territory does not belong solely to Muslims and Islam.
I remain open-minded; I could be proven wrong. However, I don’t believe that citing a handful of attempts at discussion with strangers, and study of the history and scripture of Islam, proves anything about what all Muslims actually think and feel in the present. Anthropological study has demonstrated that Muslims don’t all think/act/feel/etc in the same way. That seems pretty obvious to me.
Are we forgetting that Muslims, those who practice Islam, are human beings first and foremost? Human beings that span a very large portion of the globe, have had completely different life experiences, some very similar to yours and mine, and some vastly different?
As far as these major schools of Islam, which schools were they? I will say that I’m not denying that there is a faction within Islam that condones violence. However, again, let’s not decontextualize these movements within Islam, and let’s not use them to paint all Muslims, all over the world, with the same brush.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
<<< I highly recommend you pick up the book I recommended above, if you are at all interested in ACTUALLY informing yourself regarding the modern practice of Islam. But please, stop spewing bullshit when you’re clearly not so well-informed.
[/quote]
I satisfied myself on Islam over 20 years ago through several months of detailed study. Admittedly I haven’t kept up on it since, but it predates the 80’s by quite a bit. I don’t need to remember all the minutia to know the essentials of what I learned. What we see every day is exactly in line with the historical research I did then. I will say that I am up to my armpits in Muslims here in Detroit and have yet to meet the first one who will unequivocally condemn the 911 attacks, Osama Bin Laden or any other act of terror being committed by these people all over the world. We have the highest concentration of muslims in the U.S.
I will also say however that they are generally pleasant to me personally, especially the women even when discussing controversial things like terrorism. If discussion is even the word. As soon as I simply and earnestly ask their view or even try to lead them with something like: [quote]I sure was relived to learn in my dealings with muslims here that most don’t believe in jihad like Osama Bin Laden does[/quote] Almost to a man, blank uncomfortable stare followed by a quick change of the subject. The women tell me to ask their husband. I thought about recording some for the edification of people like yourself, but I’m usually in their home and it would be legal suicide. (computer repair customers of mine)
Keep on coddling them. It’s just what they want. For the record there are plenty of religions I reject whose proponents I would still welcome to this country before anybody tries that one. Islam is mortally dangerous. It’s incredible that that is still even being debated and we do so at our own peril. We will one day, probably long after it’s too late, recognize this. In the meantime the attacks will continue, the denunciations from other muslims will be few and measured and we will trip over ourselves trying to prove how inclusive and tolerant we are.[/quote]
So you have a few short, uncomfortable conversations with a few Muslims you deal with professionally, and suddenly you’re an expert on ALL Muslims everywhere?
It’s obvious from the way you’ve responded to my posts (ie: not actually addressing any of the points I’ve made), that rather than thinking critically about your point of view and how it stacks up to the world around you, you’ve made up your mind and aren’t going to let anything change it.
Close-mindedness is not a good quality to have, but at least you share something with the Muslim extremists.[/quote]
you madam are a “USEFUL IDIOT”. its old soviet political jargon. its the perfect description of people like you. you allie with, and defend a religion/political system. that holds you and your beliefs in utter contempt.
[/quote]
I’m simply asking those of you who use broad, sweeping generalizations to speak of Islam and Muslims to put on your critical thinking caps for a moment, soak up some of the available scholarship, and then arrive at a somewhat more informed opinion.
Since when is it idiotic to recognize that a situation is far more complex than came be encompassed by broad, sweeping, and biased generalizations?
I find it interesting these people spelled their idea as, “Hutaree” while the college-educated media spelled it as “Hatari.” It’s one of these rural uneducated versus urban educated spelling phonetics that shows the kind of cultural division we are dealing with, when looking at groups such as these.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
<<< So you have a few short, uncomfortable conversations with a few Muslims you deal with professionally, and suddenly you’re an expert on ALL Muslims everywhere?
It’s obvious from the way you’ve responded to my posts (ie: not actually addressing any of the points I’ve made), that rather than thinking critically about your point of view and how it stacks up to the world around you, you’ve made up your mind and aren’t going to let anything change it.
Close-mindedness is not a good quality to have, but at least you share something with the Muslim extremists.[/quote]
Look it’s like this. People like you claim that the vast majority of the world’s muslims are peace loving practitioners of many variations of charitable Islam and a small visible minority are the ones we always hear about carrying out the daily attacks.
If that is so then where is the near universal outcry from the hundreds of millions of offended muslims who’s religion and reputation are being harmed by this very small extremist minority?
My view of Islam was formed through study. Largely it’s historical theological roots. It left an impression on me. I have as I’ve already admitted, forgotten many of the individual details as it’s been a while. People do retain the overall thrust of many things in life the details of which may not be immediately recalled. When the 911 attacks happened it was for me a spectacular example of what I had previously learned were the general historical aspirations of Islam.
Everything we’ve seen since and what are actually a couple dozen and probably more personal conversations, have simply confirmed that. One would suppose that if the vast vast majority of muslims, especially in the United States, were religiously opposed to these extremists, that in the north American capitol of Islam they would be very prominently observed. They are not only not very prominent, but if they are here at all are damn near invisible.
Then I run into people like you, who are probably a very nice person BTW, I don’t know you, I have nothing against you, but who try to convince me through academic posturing that what I see isn’t the case. If your position is accurate there are at the very least a billion plus global muslims who have every reason to loudly condemn and denounce this small number of so called extremists yet we see almost none of that. What we do see are people who are not muslims curiously denouncing them on their behalf even in the face of their deafening silence.[/quote]
Tiribulus, perhaps these clients you attempted to speak to were uncomfortable speaking openly and honestly with you, since they don’t really know you. Maybe you phrased the question in such a way that it made them uncomfortable.
Speaking from my own personal experience, I have several Muslim friends, some living here in Canada, some from the UAE who I met while at university. They all denounce religious extremism of any sort.
On Canadian radio programs (for instance on CBC radio one), over the past several years, I have heard numerous interviews with Muslim scholars who denounce the violence. Forgive me for not recalling their names.
I am pretty sure there are a ton of people in the hot zones who denounce the violence. However, they’re a little busy dealing with poverty, murdered loved ones, etc, so they’re not jumping to speak with the media.
I just did a quick google search:
-Here is a group of Muslims condemning terrorism:
http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx
-Anti-terrorism fatwa:
Not so silent.