[quote]lixy wrote:
First of all, here’s the news of the day.
Secondly, I’m in Amsterdam right now, and I invite all the ones who doubt the benefits of multiculturalism to visit the town. I’m serious!
For those it may concern: I’m sorry for linking American foreign policy to modern-day terrorism. The debate shouldn’t be there. It’s indeed some ideology that’s the driving force.
Bill, I’ll get back to you later.[/quote]
Smoke a joint for me…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
BTW, this has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, at least to me.
[/quote]
Who here said it did? I mean, the fact that you would even make that remark is a little bizarre.
Ship the white Muslims back first for all I care. Actually, the Fort Dix jihadists were all white.
[quote]pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
First of all, here’s the news of the day.
Secondly, I’m in Amsterdam right now, and I invite all the ones who doubt the benefits of multiculturalism to visit the town. I’m serious!
For those it may concern: I’m sorry for linking American foreign policy to modern-day terrorism. The debate shouldn’t be there. It’s indeed some ideology that’s the driving force.
Bill, I’ll get back to you later.
Smoke a joint for me…[/quote]
Wow.
When you have other people smoking your joints, that is fucking lazy.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
BTW, this has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, at least to me.
Who here said it did? I mean, the fact that you would even make that remark is a little bizarre.
Ship the white Muslims back first for all I care. Actually, the Fort Dix jihadists were all white. [/quote]
I didn’t say you did either. I bring it up because inevitably somebody will attempt to equate a well placed mistrust of Islam with racism.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
BTW, this has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, at least to me.
Who here said it did? I mean, the fact that you would even make that remark is a little bizarre.
Ship the white Muslims back first for all I care. Actually, the Fort Dix jihadists were all white.
I didn’t say you did either. I bring it up because inevitably somebody will attempt to equate a well placed mistrust of Islam with racism.[/quote]
The fact that you’re worried about that means that the accusation of racism still has power.
The problem the Right faces is that it currently has a philosophy of “No enemies to the Left,” meaning that it is so worried about the Left’s intellectual terrorism that it is afraid of doing anything outside the bounds of the rules set by the Left. This, in effect, is allowing the Left to frame all discussion and control all discussion.
Simply learn to ignore people who accuse you of racism, and you won’t have to worry about it. People who yell, “Racism!” at everyone simply have no response to the arguments their interlocutors present. Vilification is all they have. Pathetic, really - but effective if you let it be.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
<<< The fact that you’re worried about that means that the accusation of racism still has power. >>>[/quote]
Indeed it does and indeed it should, but worried is the wrong way to characterize my comment. I regard authentic racism as every bit as abominable as authentic Islam. I would never want the legitimate charge of racism to lose it’s sting though I agree that it’s ridiculous overuse has garbled it’s significance.
[i]ABC News was reporting Monday that Hasan attempted to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, and a radical imam with ties to two 9/11 hijackers praised Hasan as a hero in a posting on his Web site.
ABC quoted two U.S. officials who have been briefed on classified information in the case as saying intelligence agency monitors intercepted Hasanâ??s attempt to communicate with suspected al Qaeda figures.
The network said it wasnâ??t clear whether the military had been advised of the attempts.
Meanwhile,the posting Monday on the Web site for Anwar al Awlaki, who was a spiritual leader at two mosques where three 9/11 hijackers worshipped, said American Muslims who condemned the deadly shooting last week are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.
Two U.S. intelligence officials told The Associated Press the Web site was Al Awlaki’s.
They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence collection.
Anwar said the only way a Muslim can justify serving in the U.S. military is if he intends to “follow in the footsteps of men like Nidal.”[/i]
http://www.kwtx.com/localnews/headlines/69567837.html
I can’t wait to hear what Nidal himself has to say.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[i]ABC News was reporting Monday that Hasan attempted to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, and a radical imam with ties to two 9/11 hijackers praised Hasan as a hero in a posting on his Web site.
ABC quoted two U.S. officials who have been briefed on classified information in the case as saying intelligence agency monitors intercepted Hasan�¢??s attempt to communicate with suspected al Qaeda figures.
The network said it wasn�¢??t clear whether the military had been advised of the attempts.
Meanwhile,the posting Monday on the Web site for Anwar al Awlaki, who was a spiritual leader at two mosques where three 9/11 hijackers worshipped, said American Muslims who condemned the deadly shooting last week are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.
Two U.S. intelligence officials told The Associated Press the Web site was Al Awlaki’s.
They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence collection.
Anwar said the only way a Muslim can justify serving in the U.S. military is if he intends to “follow in the footsteps of men like Nidal.”[/i]
www.kwtx.com/localnews/headlines/69567837.html
I can’t wait to hear what Nidal himself has to say. [/quote]
It would make absolutely zero difference if there were a million muslim march on the mall in DC demanding that there be a national holiday declared commemorating the Fort Hood massacre. This nation has become a laughable caricature of itself. The main stream media would be, without condoning the massacre mind you, reporting it as just the type of thing that freedom of speech and religion in America is all about.
Gambit Lost would be first to sprint to his computer and assure us that these extremists do not represent Islam.
The authentic muslims of the world possess 2 characteristics that far too many Americans do not.
First and foremost is an absolutely unwavering COMMITMENT to their cause.
Number 2 is the commensurate willingness to do anything to accomplish it.
They will lie, steal, traffic in black market drugs and weapons, engage in calculated campaigns of disinformation and kill kill kill to bring about allah’s kingdom on Earth. They are smart, incredibly motivated and well financed. They have graduated summa cum laude from the Ho Chi Minh school of warfare wherein it was wisely taught that defeating the Americans can be accomplished not on the battlefield, but with surprising ease in their schools and on their television sets.
I wonder if the jihadists have an expression similar to the one the Soviets had of “useful idiots” ?
Or, if wishing the probable direct-equivalence translation, deaf-mutes?
By the way, on that, this passage from Lenin is I think interesting if viewed in the context of how the jihadists may see things:
The so-called cultural element of Western Europe and America are incapable of comprehending the present state of affairs and the actual balance of forces; these elements must be regarded as deaf-mutes and treated accordingly.
A revolution never develops along a direct line, by continuous expansion, but forms a chain of outbursts and withdrawals, attacks and lulls, during which the revolutionary forces gain strength in preparation for their final victory.
We must:
(a) In order to placate the deaf-mutes, proclaim the fictional separation of our government from the Comintern, declaring this agency to be an independent political group. The deaf-mutes will believe it.
(b) Express a desire for the immediate resumption of diplomatic relations with capitalist countries on the basis of complete non-interference in their internal affairs. Again, the deaf- mutes will believe it. They will even be delighted and fling wide-open their doors through which the emissaries of the Comintern and Party Intelligence agencies will quickly infiltrate into these countries disguised as our diplomatic, cultural, and trade representatives.
Capitalists the world over and their governments will, in their desire to win Soviet market, shut their eyes to the above-mentioned activities and thus be turned into blind deaf-mutes. They will furnish credits, which will serve as a means of supporting the Communist parties in their countries, and, by supplying us, will rebuild our war industry, which is essential for our future attacks on our suppliers. In other words, they will be laboring to prepare their own suicide.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I wonder if the jihadists have an expression similar to the one the Soviets had of “useful idiots” ?[/quote]
Kamran Pasha
[quote]Valor wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
More news of the day:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-11-08-voa5.cfm
You’re clearly taking that out of context… lol[/quote]
what’s interesting to me is Major Nidal Malik Hasan was allegedly linked to Al-Qaeda sponsored websites and killed because he was conflicted because he was being sent to a Muslim nation where American forces were killing Muslims…
He must realize that Al-Qaeda and the Taliban have been killing a ton of Muslims in terror attacks across the globe.
Are Muslims allowed to kill other Muslims? Why was there no conflict there?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_muslims
what about the Al-Qaeda Iman who praises Hasan and “said American Muslims who condemned the attacks on the Texas military base last week are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.”
Doesn’t this Iman realize Al-Qaeda is also responcible for killing Muslims? Hasn’t he also committed treason against his religion?
The killing of a less-pious or considered-wrongly-pious Muslim by a more-pious one, either because of being insufficiently pious or just from being in the way and his death somehow serving Islam, seems to be either completely okay or at least nothing the more-pious worry about too much.
I am just going from responses in saying that. I didn’t find such a thing directly stated in the Koran, though perhaps it could be derived from Mohammed’s casual killing of at least one of his own men when convenient.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_muslims
what about the Al-Qaeda Iman who praises Hasan and “said American Muslims who condemned the attacks on the Texas military base last week are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.”
Doesn’t this Iman realize Al-Qaeda is also responcible for killing Muslims? Hasn’t he also committed treason against his religion?[/quote]
They have a work-around for that:
Officially, any Muslim who joins an infidel army to fight other Muslims could be considered an apostate. The same goes for any Muslims that oppose the spread of shari’ah law. “Moderate” Muslims know this which is why they don’t speak out against terrorist acts or attempts to implement shari’ah.
When is the press and this admin going to admit this was an act of terror? And that Islam had a part in it?
[quote]Valor wrote:
When is the press and this admin going to admit this was an act of terror? And that Islam had a part in it?
[/quote]
Agreed, it’s getting a little ridiculous.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Valor wrote:
When is the press and this admin going to admit this was an act of terror? And that Islam had a part in it?
Agreed, it’s getting a little ridiculous.
Edit: And the only reason they won’t admit it is so they can claim there haven’t been any acts of terror on American soil, similar to what Bush supporters say since the 9/11 attacks. [/quote]
Bush supporters can’t say that. There were other jihads, just not on the scale of 9/11.
Good one from Iowahawk:
BTW…
Obama’s FBI has decided to address CAIR. You know, the group they call terrorists…Cute.
[quote]Valor wrote:
When is the press and this admin going to admit this was an act of terror? And that Islam had a part in it?
[/quote]
That would be nice, but no we must be politically correct so as to not offend those who want to kill us. After all, if we offend them then it will be our fault when they kill us, so the media tells us.
Political correctness does allow for the open mocking and insulting of Jews and Christians. That’s ok, but don’t hurt the feelings of muslims, gays, minorities, hermaphrodites, or murderers, that’s not ok, according the the rules of political correctness.