Christian Church Burning Korans

orion · September 2, 2010, 12:42pm

[quote]Chushin wrote:
From Orion’s link http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm

Al-Qa’ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers

Ha ha.

Nice objective source there.

And I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you to read that Bush actually prayed for guidance!

Oh, the outrageousness of it all![/quote]

The point was that the idea that president Bush actually said that he was told by God to wage war is nit something someone pulled out of thin air.

Calling this war a “crusade” did not help either, but would be quite consistent with the first point.

Finally Bush DID call the “evildoers” until the spinmeisters got to him and slapped this and the crusade bullshit out of him.

It is hardly the sources fault that Bush did and said outrageously stupid things.

thunderbolt23 · September 2, 2010, 2:08pm

[quote]orion wrote:

The point was that the idea that president Bush actually said that he was told by God to wage war is nit something someone pulled out of thin air.

Calling this war a “crusade” did not help either, but would be quite consistent with the first point.

Finally Bush DID call the “evildoers” until the spinmeisters got to him and slapped this and the crusade bullshit out of him.

It is hardly the sources fault that Bush did and said outrageously stupid things.
[/quote]

Good Lord. Bush referred to terrorists as “evildoers” and mentioned that the war on terror was a “crusade” - and this is proof he thinks God instructed him to go to war? Pathetic.

Actually, Orion, if you had any sense, you’d know that this “rumor” got started when certain members of Palestinian leadership swore that Bush told them that God instructed him to go to war - that is, self-interested Palestinian leaders that had an agenda to work the Muslim world into a furor against the West to advance their cause against Israel.

Orion, you’re a clown. And a bad one at that.

Cockney_Blue · September 2, 2010, 7:04pm

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
How’d those books get in the country in the first place?!?

Oh, sorry, we’re not talking Bibles and Saudi Arabia, are we.[/quote]

Do you really set the bar for the US that low?[/quote]

I’m now (sincerely) beginning to wonder if you can read.[/quote]

You are equating laws and practices in the US to laws and practices in Saudi. Therefore you are comparing the US to Saudi therefore that is where you are setting the bar for the US. To me, I would expect more of the US than of Saudi at this stage.

I am now (sincerely) beginning to wonder how you manage to operate a computer.

hungry4more · September 2, 2010, 8:16pm

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
How’d those books get in the country in the first place?!?

Oh, sorry, we’re not talking Bibles and Saudi Arabia, are we.[/quote]

Do you really set the bar for the US that low?[/quote]

I’m now (sincerely) beginning to wonder if you can read.[/quote]

You are equating laws and practices in the US to laws and practices in Saudi. Therefore you are comparing the US to Saudi therefore that is where you are setting the bar for the US. To me, I would expect more of the US than of Saudi at this stage.

I am now (sincerely) beginning to wonder how you manage to operate a computer.[/quote]

Comparing 2 countries to each other does not=setting the standard for them by one another. I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s too large a leap of false logic. He was alluding to the USA being more tolerant than Saudi Arabia; in this instance it IS relevant, since we’re discussing the predominant religions in the 2 countries, and how they interact with each other.

Cockney_Blue · September 2, 2010, 8:50pm

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
How’d those books get in the country in the first place?!?

Oh, sorry, we’re not talking Bibles and Saudi Arabia, are we.[/quote]

Do you really set the bar for the US that low?[/quote]

I’m now (sincerely) beginning to wonder if you can read.[/quote]

You are equating laws and practices in the US to laws and practices in Saudi. Therefore you are comparing the US to Saudi therefore that is where you are setting the bar for the US. To me, I would expect more of the US than of Saudi at this stage.

I am now (sincerely) beginning to wonder how you manage to operate a computer.[/quote]

Comparing 2 countries to each other does not=setting the standard for them by one another. I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s too large a leap of false logic. He was alluding to the USA being more tolerant than Saudi Arabia; in this instance it IS relevant, since we’re discussing the predominant religions in the 2 countries, and how they interact with each other. [/quote]

He is saying that it is OK to burn Korans in the US because Bibles are not allowed in Saudi.

Personally, if someone wants to burn a Koran, fine by me. I think it is a dumb protest but I would defend their right to do it.

hungry4more · September 3, 2010, 2:02am

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
How’d those books get in the country in the first place?!?

Oh, sorry, we’re not talking Bibles and Saudi Arabia, are we.[/quote]

Do you really set the bar for the US that low?[/quote]

I’m now (sincerely) beginning to wonder if you can read.[/quote]

You are equating laws and practices in the US to laws and practices in Saudi. Therefore you are comparing the US to Saudi therefore that is where you are setting the bar for the US. To me, I would expect more of the US than of Saudi at this stage.

I am now (sincerely) beginning to wonder how you manage to operate a computer.[/quote]

Comparing 2 countries to each other does not=setting the standard for them by one another. I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s too large a leap of false logic. He was alluding to the USA being more tolerant than Saudi Arabia; in this instance it IS relevant, since we’re discussing the predominant religions in the 2 countries, and how they interact with each other. [/quote]

He is saying that it is OK to burn Korans in the US because Bibles are not allowed in Saudi.

Personally, if someone wants to burn a Koran, fine by me. I think it is a dumb protest but I would defend their right to do it.[/quote]

Comparing practices and rights (or in Saudi’s case, lack thereof) does NOT equal justifying an action BECAUSE of the oppressive country’s practices. It is simply comparing them. Leave it to girls to inaccurately read into things, at least they have boobs for us to look at while they spew bullshit.

orion · September 3, 2010, 5:19am

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
From Orion’s link http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm

Al-Qa’ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers

Ha ha.

Nice objective source there.

And I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you to read that Bush actually prayed for guidance!

Oh, the outrageousness of it all![/quote]

The point was that the idea that president Bush actually said that he was told by God to wage war is nit something someone pulled out of thin air.

Calling this war a “crusade” did not help either, but would be quite consistent with the first point.

Finally Bush DID call the “evildoers” until the spinmeisters got to him and slapped this and the crusade bullshit out of him.

It is hardly the sources fault that Bush did and said outrageously stupid things.

[/quote]

Yeah, I guess it’s really outlandish to call people who fly commercial planes into skyscrapers to kill civilians “evil.” My bad. Perhaps “the unauthorized pilots pursuing their noble but mistaken beliefs abroad” would be better?

And tell me, if TBolt can see it, and I can see it, why can’t YOU see that the source of that (the Palistinians) likely had their own agenda?

But again, really reliable source there, O. [/quote]

That was not my point, that was TB backpadelling.

Of course you can question the source, but the typically condescending attitude of TB was in no way warranted because this was quite a big story out there.

Cockney_Blue · September 3, 2010, 5:34am

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

He is saying that it is OK to burn Korans in the US because Bibles are not allowed in Saudi.

[/quote]

Yep, that settles it.

Either you can’t read, or you can’t comprehend what you read, or you’re completely blinded by your own biases.

I hate giving up on the less fortunate, though; let me suggest that you go back and re-read what the previous poster wrote. Slowly.[/quote]

Why did you even bring up Saudi and there rules? We are talking about whether something should be done in the US. If you are mentioning Saudi then you are comparing the US to Saudi that means on some level that is where you are setting the bar.

If you cannot comprehend that then you are the one that is a lost cause.

Cockney_Blue · September 3, 2010, 5:36am

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
How’d those books get in the country in the first place?!?

Oh, sorry, we’re not talking Bibles and Saudi Arabia, are we.[/quote]

Do you really set the bar for the US that low?[/quote]

I’m now (sincerely) beginning to wonder if you can read.[/quote]

You are equating laws and practices in the US to laws and practices in Saudi. Therefore you are comparing the US to Saudi therefore that is where you are setting the bar for the US. To me, I would expect more of the US than of Saudi at this stage.

I am now (sincerely) beginning to wonder how you manage to operate a computer.[/quote]

Comparing 2 countries to each other does not=setting the standard for them by one another. I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s too large a leap of false logic. He was alluding to the USA being more tolerant than Saudi Arabia; in this instance it IS relevant, since we’re discussing the predominant religions in the 2 countries, and how they interact with each other. [/quote]

He is saying that it is OK to burn Korans in the US because Bibles are not allowed in Saudi.

Personally, if someone wants to burn a Koran, fine by me. I think it is a dumb protest but I would defend their right to do it.[/quote]

Comparing practices and rights (or in Saudi’s case, lack thereof) does NOT equal justifying an action BECAUSE of the oppressive country’s practices. It is simply comparing them. Leave it to girls to inaccurately read into things, at least they have boobs for us to look at while they spew bullshit. [/quote]

Bollocks, he was either making a morale equivalence between the two or his point was totally irrelevant, either way he is being stupid.

hungry4more · September 3, 2010, 12:33pm

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
How’d those books get in the country in the first place?!?

Oh, sorry, we’re not talking Bibles and Saudi Arabia, are we.[/quote]

Do you really set the bar for the US that low?[/quote]

I’m now (sincerely) beginning to wonder if you can read.[/quote]

You are equating laws and practices in the US to laws and practices in Saudi. Therefore you are comparing the US to Saudi therefore that is where you are setting the bar for the US. To me, I would expect more of the US than of Saudi at this stage.

I am now (sincerely) beginning to wonder how you manage to operate a computer.[/quote]

Comparing 2 countries to each other does not=setting the standard for them by one another. I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s too large a leap of false logic. He was alluding to the USA being more tolerant than Saudi Arabia; in this instance it IS relevant, since we’re discussing the predominant religions in the 2 countries, and how they interact with each other. [/quote]

He is saying that it is OK to burn Korans in the US because Bibles are not allowed in Saudi.

Personally, if someone wants to burn a Koran, fine by me. I think it is a dumb protest but I would defend their right to do it.[/quote]

Comparing practices and rights (or in Saudi’s case, lack thereof) does NOT equal justifying an action BECAUSE of the oppressive country’s practices. It is simply comparing them. Leave it to girls to inaccurately read into things, at least they have boobs for us to look at while they spew bullshit. [/quote]

Bollocks, he was either making a morale equivalence between the two or his point was totally irrelevant, either way he is being stupid.[/quote]

Wrong. He wasn’t pointing out an equivalence, but rather making a distinction between the two. Saying a pineapple is bigger than an apple is emphasizing a difference between them, not a similarity. Noting that Saudi (predominantly Muslims) won’t let Bibles in their nation, while America (predominantly Christians) freely allows Qur’ans in the country is the same thing. It’s emphasizing how much more tolerant and forgiving we are, even to a fault. Not comparing similarities. Your point of view is jaded beyond repair it would seem…

zecarlo · September 3, 2010, 1:56pm

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Humans can do terrible things, even with the best of models to emulate. Fortunately Catholics, and Christians in general, had/have Christ, his apostles, and their instructions on how to prostelyze and interact with the world. So, for us, there’s always a right path to find one’s way back to. There is a clear model to wake up to one day and say “How have we gone so wrong?!” Now the Prophet Mo? Not so much.
[/quote]

So what do the Jews have to find the right path? The OT with all of its smiting and genocide? BTW, Islam considers Christ a prophet so does that mean they are a little closer to the right path than Jews? I’m just curious as to how you rank Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, etc., on your scale of goodness.

Cockney_Blue · September 3, 2010, 5:38pm