2 Brooklyn cops murdered execution style, in what seems to be in retaliation to the Eric Garner and Michael Brown deaths.
The shooter’s final Instagram post said… “I?m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours?? Let?s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner #RIPMikeBrown This May Be My Final Post.”
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
2 Brooklyn cops murdered execution style, in what seems to be in retaliation to the Eric Garner and Michael Brown deaths.
The shooter’s final Instagram post said… “I?m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours?? Let?s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner #RIPMikeBrown This May Be My Final Post.”
Holder and Obama are directly responsible for inciting this.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
2 Brooklyn cops murdered execution style, in what seems to be in retaliation to the Eric Garner and Michael Brown deaths.
The shooter’s final Instagram post said… “I?m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours?? Let?s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner #RIPMikeBrown This May Be My Final Post.”
My heart goes out to the families of the slain officers.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
2 Brooklyn cops murdered execution style, in what seems to be in retaliation to the Eric Garner and Michael Brown deaths.
The shooter’s final Instagram post said… “I?m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours?? Let?s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner #RIPMikeBrown This May Be My Final Post.”
Holder and Obama are directly responsible for inciting this.[/quote]
It’s about to get real ugly in NYC.
I’m sure Al, Jessie, Obama, and Holder all share your sentiments. NOT.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
2 Brooklyn cops murdered execution style, in what seems to be in retaliation to the Eric Garner and Michael Brown deaths.
The shooter’s final Instagram post said… “I?m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours?? Let?s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner #RIPMikeBrown This May Be My Final Post.”
Holder and Obama are directly responsible for inciting this.[/quote]
It’s about to get real ugly in NYC.
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I suppose you’ve heard about the left-wing academics who attacked police:
College professor charged with throwing a garbage can at police.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
2 Brooklyn cops murdered execution style, in what seems to be in retaliation to the Eric Garner and Michael Brown deaths.
The shooter’s final Instagram post said… “I?m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours?? Let?s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner #RIPMikeBrown This May Be My Final Post.”
Holder and Obama are directly responsible for inciting this.[/quote]
It’s about to get real ugly in NYC.
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I suppose you’ve heard about the left-wing academics who attacked police:
College professor charged with throwing a garbage can at police.[/quote]
And I just love how the Left lauds their “bravery” and the Mayor defends their right to protest and understands their justifiable anger.
What a disgrace.
Now I’m not advocating the death of anyone. But does this really surprise anyone? New York has been fucking with people and violating their civil rights for YEARS. More like DECADES… Then the Garner video surfaces and the entire world sees a man get choked to death by an NYPD officer. NO CHARGES FILED… CLOSED DOOR HEARING… MOVE ALONG FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE… On TOP of all the racial tension from Ferguson. On TOP of the 12 year old kid shot.
Look at the reaction from the citizens of New York… They were CHEERING. They took to twitter saying “I guess those two ‘can’t breath’ now”. This is the reaction of a people who have been systematically ABUSED by the NYPD and FINALLY feel they’ve got some justice. The chickens have come home to roost…
I believe the death of these officers can be laid directly at the feet of the prosecutor who failed to charge officer Pantaleo even with negligent homicide or third degree manslaughter… I mean SOMETHING. This was not the Michael Brown case where witnesses were lying and the evidence pointed to Brow assaulting the officer. This was a fucking VIDEO where a man was clearly killed for selling loosies… And the officer WALKED…
How do you think the citizens of New York were treated under the draconian “zero tolerance” and “stop and frisk” policies of Giuliani?
A population can be pushed to a breaking point. And we witnessed that this weekend.
For the record, I’m not “glad” that two innocent people were shot. Regardless of the fact that they were police officers. I’ve been on the wrong end of a night stick for no good reason and I understand the frustration that ordinary people have with bad police.
I won’t drive in PG county anymore. I got my ass kicked on the side of the road one night. I went to the station and complained. Wanna know what the result was? I got my ass kicked THREE MORE TIMES over the next few years.
When you read about these things happening it’s one thing. But when YOU are the one pissing blood for a week so some fucking pig can get his kicks it’s a different story. One time they kicked me in the balls so hard and so many times, I couldn’t get it up for a week. (the pissing blood was from the first time when they went to work on my kidneys) Now I’m not reckless enough to go out and start knocking down police officers. I have a life and a family and I won’t risk that. But I’d be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind.
When the SYSTEM lets cops abuse and KILL people without consequence this is what happens.
Sorry AC, the overwhelming majority of people don’t share your opinion. Most reasonable people see that these two police officers were assassinated by a cowardly piece of shit for no legitimate reason and that’s it.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
The coroner ruled the cause of death was asphyxiation due in large part to the choke. This isn’t some armchair quarterback diagnosis. It’s the coroners ruling. [/quote]
Only it’s not the coroner’s ruling:
[quote] Breitbart wrote:
Garner did not die of asphyxiation, as the head of the Patrolmenâ??s Benevolent Association noted at the time. The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garnerâ??s windpipe or neck bones…
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Why do you keep misrepresenting the coroner’s findings? You’re running with the phoney narrative of the left. He wasn’t choked to death. I don’t understand why everyone keeps pretending otherwise. It’s institutionalised racism. A white cop can’t arrest anyone now without having to worry about these civil rights shysters and the AG and the President will throw him to the wolves.
[quote]Will207 wrote:
Sorry AC, the overwhelming majority of people don’t share your opinion.
[/quote]What “opinion” did I give? I’ve stated CLEARLY that I’m not “glad” they were shot and that I do not advocate the death of anyone. I have not offered an opinion that these murders are in ANY way “justified”.[quote]
Most reasonable people see that these two police officers were assassinated by a cowardly piece of shit for no legitimate reason and that’s it. [/quote]
I agree that there’s no “legitimate” reason and that “REASONABLE” people agree that this was an assassination. The operative word in that sentence is “REASONABLE”. And for the record, the man who shot them was a nut job who shot his girlfriend in Baltimore before he drove to NY and posted everything he was about to do on social media. Baltimore notified NY that he was on the way.
Now let’s get back to “reasonable”. These people are NOT reasonable. I am able to offer a unique PERSPECTIVE on this due to my past. Notice that I’m not offing an opinion, just a perspective. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m not saying it’s justified. All I’m saying is I’M NOT SURPRISED.
Like it or not and if it’s “Politically correct” to talk about it or not, the police ALL OVER the country abuse their power. From New York to LA and everything in between. How often are they brought to justice? How many BAD COPS go to PRISON? Sure, some of them are reprimanded or get fired, but how many actually receive the JUSTICE they would get from their actions if they were NOT police?
There are THOUSANDS of DOCUMENTED incidents of police abusing their power, how many indictments?
Did any of the police who burned that baby’s face off get in trouble? Nope…
THEY ARE NOT GODS!!! There HAS to be accountability!!!
There needs to be accountability and JUSTICE, or we will see more people taking “justice” into their own hands. We’ve reached a tipping point. I think the MEDIA and the liberal race mongering has pushed us there. But make no mistake about it: we NEED to see more accountability from the police when they hurt/kill/maim/shoot people. It can’t just “go away” anymore. People are angry and rightfully so. And in this climate, the “mentally unbalanced” among us will start to act on the IMPULSE that many of us that have been abused by the police have repressed.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
The coroner ruled the cause of death was asphyxiation due in large part to the choke. This isn’t some armchair quarterback diagnosis. It’s the coroners ruling. [/quote]
Only it’s not the coroner’s ruling:
[quote] Breitbart wrote:
Garner did not die of asphyxiation, as the head of the Patrolmenâ??s Benevolent Association noted at the time. The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garnerâ??s windpipe or neck bones…
[/quote]
Why do you keep misrepresenting the coroner’s findings? You’re running with the phoney narrative of the left. He wasn’t choked to death. I don’t understand why everyone keeps pretending otherwise. It’s institutionalised racism. A white cop can’t arrest anyone now without having to worry about these civil rights shysters and the AG and the President will throw him to the wolves.[/quote]
Here’s the rub. There was a VIDEO showing a police officer CHOKING the shit out of a man who says over and over and over “I CAN’T BREATH” and that man DIED. THAT’S IT! The coroner ruled the cause of death a HOMICIDE. THAT’S IT!
You can talk about all of the “well his neck bones weren’t damaged” all you want, but the entire WORLD saw a police officer CHOKE A MAN TO DEATH. That’s what they SAW.
They also saw the response: a CLOSED HEARING with not even a CHARGE against the officer. We don’t know what he was charged with. We don’t know how the DA presented the evidence. WE KNOW NOTHING.
All we know is a cop killed a guy on camera with no consequence. AGAIN.
You don’t think that’s enough to make people angry?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I agree that there’s no “legitimate” reason and that “REASONABLE” people agree that this was an assassination. The operative word in that sentence is “REASONABLE”. And for the record, the man who shot them was a nut job who shot his girlfriend in Baltimore before he drove to NY and posted everything he was about to do on social media. Baltimore notified NY that he was on the way.[/quote]
Brinsley was arrested 19 times in the last 10 years for various gun related offenses and parole violations. The “system” that cleared the police officers in the Garner case also allowed Brinsley to walk the streets. It works both ways.
I’m not surprised it happened, either. It doesn’t surprise me that a violent criminal was able to roam the streets. It doesn’t surprise me he was able to obtain a firearm and re-offend. Nothing about this is surprising.
I could care less about what is PC or not. You would have to define what a “bad cop” is and after that we can discuss why they don’t go to prison. I’d also like to discuss why “bad people” don’t go to prison. I’ll let you define what “bad” is.
How many of those thousands are worthy of an indictment? Doing a criminal records check on your babysitter is considered an abuse of power. Should a police officer be indicted for that?
Maybe we are at a tipping point. The NYPD has done a fantastic job reducing crime in the city over the last 20 years. Maybe it’s time to put the brakes on and adopt a reactive style to policing. I wouldn’t be surprised if patrol members changed the way they operate in the next little while.
[quote]Will207 wrote:
Maybe we are at a tipping point. The NYPD has done a fantastic job reducing crime in the city over the last 20 years. Maybe it’s time to put the brakes on and adopt a reactive style to policing. I wouldn’t be surprised if patrol members changed the way they operate in the next little while. [/quote]
Street crime has significantly dropped in NYC since an aggressive shift in police tactics started in 1990. So to a certain extent I suspect the NYC community does need to decide between less or more street crime and less or more aggressive police tactics.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Will207 wrote:
Maybe we are at a tipping point. The NYPD has done a fantastic job reducing crime in the city over the last 20 years. Maybe it’s time to put the brakes on and adopt a reactive style to policing. I wouldn’t be surprised if patrol members changed the way they operate in the next little while. [/quote]
Street crime has significantly dropped in NYC since an aggressive shift in police tactics started in 1990. So to a certain extent I suspect the NYC community does need to decide between less or more street crime and less or more aggressive police tactics. [/quote]
I agree.
[quote]Will207 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I agree that there’s no “legitimate” reason and that “REASONABLE” people agree that this was an assassination. The operative word in that sentence is “REASONABLE”. And for the record, the man who shot them was a nut job who shot his girlfriend in Baltimore before he drove to NY and posted everything he was about to do on social media. Baltimore notified NY that he was on the way.[/quote]
Brinsley was arrested 19 times in the last 10 years for various gun related offenses and parole violations. The “system” that cleared the police officers in the Garner case also allowed Brinsley to walk the streets. It works both ways.
[/quote]I haven’t looked at specific charges, but parole violations and “gun charges” are chickenshit reasons that add up and sound impressive. We all know that criminals get guns and do bad things. And if someone early on in life fucks up and catches a charge, you no longer have the “RIGHT” to carry a gun (even though the second amendment clearly states the right to bear arms shall not be infringed… but I digress, that’s another discussion). But that does not mean you don’t NEED a gun for protection. It just means that the police have an excuse to lock you up if they catch you with it. See the difference? There are plenty of people who have guns for protection that don’t commit crimes. Locking people up for carrying the means to defend themselves is PUSHING that individual toward a life of crime by stripping him of his freedom, employment, etc… Brinsley was also mentally unstable and suicidal - a fact that you didn’t mention. Do you think it’s possible that if Brinsley’s MENTAL HEALTH issues were addressed in a reasonable way instead of just incarcerating him that maybe, JUST MAYBE he wouldn’t have been arrested 20 times? Food for thought…[quote]
I’m not surprised it happened, either. It doesn’t surprise me that a violent criminal was able to roam the streets. It doesn’t surprise me he was able to obtain a firearm and re-offend. Nothing about this is surprising.
[/quote]Again, you call him a violent criminal. What were his charges? I grew up in Baltimore and let me tell you, I carried a gun as soon as I was old enough to hold one. THAT didn’t make me a “violent criminal”, it made me ALIVE… When you take someone’s rights away and then put them back in the meat grinder, don’t be surprised when they find a way to protect themselves. And you didn’t even begin to address his mental illness…[quote]
I could care less about what is PC or not. You would have to define what a “bad cop” is and after that we can discuss why they don’t go to prison. I’d also like to discuss why “bad people” don’t go to prison. I’ll let you define what “bad” is.
[/quote]Speaking from my PERSONAL experience, I would define a “bad cop” as a police officer who pulls you over, orders you out of the car at gunpoint, shines a flashlight in your eyes and beats the piss out of you and leaves you bleeding on the side of the road. I would define a bad cop as one who takes pictures of the perps he’s shot and shows them to me at a party talking about how he “shot that nigger when he was trying to get away from the asswhuppin”. I would say a cop is bad if they frisk you and “confiscate” your money with no receipt and then let you go with out charges. I think a cop is bad when they choke someone out using a move banned by their department and that man DIES. I think a cop is bad when they shoot someone in the chest for just reaching for their wallet. Or pulling people over on the side of the road and sticking their finger in their girlfriend’s pussy while there’s nothing you can do about it. There’s LOT’s of ways to define a bad cop.[quote]
How many of those thousands are worthy of an indictment? Doing a criminal records check on your babysitter is considered an abuse of power. Should a police officer be indicted for that?[/quote]Was it part of a legitimate investigation? Did he have a warrant? Did it VIOLATE that CITIZEN’S CIVIL RIGHTS? If I did it would I be arrested? If so, then YES, the offending officer SHOULD be arrested and indicted.
Why should YOU as a police officer have the power to just check up on ANYONE you want without probable cause? WE don’t have that power. What makes YOU so fucking special? If I kick someone’s ass, I get charged, arrested, serve time. If YOU kick someone’s ass, your boss buys you a fucking doughnut and covers it up. (did I say “BUY”, LOL you guys get your doughnuts for free, I forgot)[quote]
Maybe we are at a tipping point. The NYPD has done a fantastic job reducing crime in the city over the last 20 years. Maybe it’s time to put the brakes on and adopt a reactive style to policing. I wouldn’t be surprised if patrol members changed the way they operate in the next little while. [/quote]
Here’s the rub: IF when a cop does it, there’s no charges but when a civilian does it they go to jail, we have a problem. The police need to be accountable JUST LIKE THE REST OF US when they break the law, or when they hurt/maim/kill/shoot someone.
Why is that concept so hard to fucking understand?
For the record, I am friends with several police, my cousin is cop and I harbor NO ILL WILL towards GOOD police. But on the flip side, I hope that all BAD police get locked up and get butt fucked by the guys who’s rights they violated and incarcerated.
EDIT: notice, I didn’t say “I hope they get randomly shot”. I want them to have due process JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. But in order for them to have due process, FIRST THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE CHARGED.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Will207 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I agree that there’s no “legitimate” reason and that “REASONABLE” people agree that this was an assassination. The operative word in that sentence is “REASONABLE”. And for the record, the man who shot them was a nut job who shot his girlfriend in Baltimore before he drove to NY and posted everything he was about to do on social media. Baltimore notified NY that he was on the way.[/quote]
Brinsley was arrested 19 times in the last 10 years for various gun related offenses and parole violations. The “system” that cleared the police officers in the Garner case also allowed Brinsley to walk the streets. It works both ways.
[/quote]I haven’t looked at specific charges, but parole violations and “gun charges” are chickenshit reasons that add up and sound impressive. We all know that criminals get guns and do bad things. And if someone early on in life fucks up and catches a charge, you no longer have the “RIGHT” to carry a gun (even though the second amendment clearly states the right to bear arms shall not be infringed… but I digress, that’s another discussion). But that does not mean you don’t NEED a gun for protection. It just means that the police have an excuse to lock you up if they catch you with it. See the difference? There are plenty of people who have guns for protection that don’t commit crimes. Locking people up for carrying the means to defend themselves is PUSHING that individual toward a life of crime by stripping him of his freedom, employment, etc… Brinsley was also mentally unstable and suicidal - a fact that you didn’t mention. Do you think it’s possible that if Brinsley’s MENTAL HEALTH issues were addressed in a reasonable way instead of just incarcerating him that maybe, JUST MAYBE he wouldn’t have been arrested 20 times? Food for thought…[quote]
I’m not surprised it happened, either. It doesn’t surprise me that a violent criminal was able to roam the streets. It doesn’t surprise me he was able to obtain a firearm and re-offend. Nothing about this is surprising.
[/quote]Again, you call him a violent criminal. What were his charges? I grew up in Baltimore and let me tell you, I carried a gun as soon as I was old enough to hold one. THAT didn’t make me a “violent criminal”, it made me ALIVE… When you take someone’s rights away and then put them back in the meat grinder, don’t be surprised when they find a way to protect themselves. And you didn’t even begin to address his mental illness…[quote]
I could care less about what is PC or not. You would have to define what a “bad cop” is and after that we can discuss why they don’t go to prison. I’d also like to discuss why “bad people” don’t go to prison. I’ll let you define what “bad” is.
[/quote]Speaking from my PERSONAL experience, I would define a “bad cop” as a police officer who pulls you over, orders you out of the car at gunpoint, shines a flashlight in your eyes and beats the piss out of you and leaves you bleeding on the side of the road. I would define a bad cop as one who takes pictures of the perps he’s shot and shows them to me at a party talking about how he “shot that nigger when he was trying to get away from the asswhuppin”. I would say a cop is bad if they frisk you and “confiscate” your money with no receipt and then let you go with out charges. I think a cop is bad when they choke someone out using a move banned by their department and that man DIES. I think a cop is bad when they shoot someone in the chest for just reaching for their wallet. Or pulling people over on the side of the road and sticking their finger in their girlfriend’s pussy while there’s nothing you can do about it. There’s LOT’s of ways to define a bad cop.[quote]
How many of those thousands are worthy of an indictment? Doing a criminal records check on your babysitter is considered an abuse of power. Should a police officer be indicted for that?[/quote]Was it part of a legitimate investigation? Did he have a warrant? Did it VIOLATE that CITIZEN’S CIVIL RIGHTS? If I did it would I be arrested? If so, then YES, the offending officer SHOULD be arrested and indicted.
Why should YOU as a police officer have the power to just check up on ANYONE you want without probable cause? WE don’t have that power. What makes YOU so fucking special? If I kick someone’s ass, I get charged, arrested, serve time. If YOU kick someone’s ass, your boss buys you a fucking doughnut and covers it up. (did I say “BUY”, LOL you guys get your doughnuts for free, I forgot)[quote]
Maybe we are at a tipping point. The NYPD has done a fantastic job reducing crime in the city over the last 20 years. Maybe it’s time to put the brakes on and adopt a reactive style to policing. I wouldn’t be surprised if patrol members changed the way they operate in the next little while. [/quote]
Here’s the rub: IF when a cop does it, there’s no charges but when a civilian does it they go to jail, we have a problem. The police need to be accountable JUST LIKE THE REST OF US when they break the law, or when they hurt/maim/kill/shoot someone.
Why is that concept so hard to fucking understand?
For the record, I am friends with several police, my cousin is cop and I harbor NO ILL WILL towards GOOD police. But on the flip side, I hope that all BAD police get locked up and get butt fucked by the guys who’s rights they violated and incarcerated.
EDIT: notice, I didn’t say “I hope they get randomly shot”. I want them to have due process JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. But in order for them to have due process, FIRST THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE CHARGED.[/quote]
EXCELLENT POST. Police officers should have no privileges or rights that any other citizen does not have. Police officers should not be allowed to resort to force at the first hint of uncooperativeness. Police officers should not act as thugs; an officer should be law-abiding to an even greater extent than those he has been given power over. I urge anyone who agrees to at least look into supporting the Oath Keepers organization.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
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I’m not going to create a wall of text. I’ll address your post in point form.
Oh, you believe violent, mentally unstable people should have the right to possess and carry firearms? Interesting. What about the two people who were killed and the woman who was shot? What about their rights?
So, how do we deal with violent mentally ill people? Make them take their meds? I’ve worked in that field and it’s a revolving door. They come in, get their meds, leave, feel good for a while, stop taking their pills, and the cycle starts all over again. What do you suggest we do to help the mentally ill?
I refer to him as a violent criminal because he had a litany of charges ranging from obstructing police, theft, and robbery among other things. His own mother was afraid of him.
If you read my post, you would see that I wrote checking your babysitter’s background IS an abuse of power and it’s written in the agreement that I signed prior to be given access to that particular system. It’s an administrative issue, not a criminal one . What would you be arrested for if
you used a similar system for purposes it wasn’t intended for? What is the crime?
If someone is hurt while I’m arresting them, my bosses do not buy me a donut. Instead, I am informed that I’m under investigation for doing my job and then I’m interviewed by the Professional Standards section. If I’m not found criminally responsible for my actions, I may face administrative sanctions.
As for free donuts, why do you care what a private business does with it’s products? If they choose to give certain people coffee and donuts, why do you care? I suppose you have a problem with business’ offering discounts to military personnel and vets too, right?
[quote]Will207 wrote:
So, how do we deal with violent mentally ill people? Make them take their meds? I’ve worked in that field and it’s a revolving door. They come in, get their meds, leave, feel good for a while, stop taking their pills, and the cycle starts all over again. What do you suggest we do to help the mentally ill?
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-Society should stop worrying about mental illness. Crime should be punished. Some “mental illness” diagnosis should not excuse crime or justify a lesser punishment. I’m not at all a fan of the death penalty for any offense in the current climate, but I would have no problem with the liberal application of capital punishment IF it was applied in a relatively just way(A kills B and it’s declared murder? Death. C kills D and it’s declared murder? Death. E kills F and it’s declared murder? E’s family is friends with the prosecutor and gets a different penalty from A and C? I have a problem.)
Let the “mentally ill” have all the guns they can obtain, but punish them just like anybody else.