No that’s pretty much right. If you went to get tested it means you think you might have something more than the common cold. It’s not the same as everyone here has done and been convinced that “no I’m fine, it’s just allergies”…you had enough concern to go get tested but then were completely callous enough to say “fuck you I’ll do what I want even though I’m sick”.
You didn’t mention that in your first post.
I didn’t realize that Police can enforce medical orders anywhere in this country. Scary.
You could. Of course, a wellness check is just that…a check. Verify that the guy is okay, and that’s about it. I don’t know what your state lockdown order looks like, but there may be some charge that could be made.
You’re correct. I was posting off the cuff, I should have been more thorough.
In many areas, the chief county or state public health officer can essentially enact orders during time of crisis (declared “state of emergency”, etc) like executive decisions. Leaving beside your distaste of the idea, it’s an established part of law. A centuries old parallel would be the medical officer on a ship of war having the power to declare the captain unfit for duty.
It’s high risk for those at high risk, and low risk for those at low risk. Should be the other way around if anything. Why should the sick and elderly still be going out to buy groceries? The grocery store is the most likely place to get infected right now. Instead they shut down construction.
A guy in Ottawa got a $700 fine for letting his kid play in an empty field. Things are bring taken to the extreme over here, and there is no logic to that at all.
That’s why I’m proposing to keep the elderly and those with certain health conditions at home rather than sending them to the grocery store with everyone else. Those are the ones who are dying, there is the odd story about a young person dying or getting real sick because they had an undiagnosed condition, but those stories are few and far in between.
In Ontario, half of the people who have died are nursing home residents. A different approach would have reduced that as well. They wait until people get sick to let employees wear masks, but the problem is that the residents are getting sick from the employees in the first place. That would be an easy problem to solve.
This is all fine. I have no idea what your state orders look like. Mine would not permit that, and the call to Police would likely have been filtered out by tele-service.
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Absolutely no argument here. That’s crazy.
In many areas, a full 40% of the people hospitalized are people between 20-50. Just saying
Because the high risk folks would likely self-isolate. Gotta create some misery.
He should be on his knees thanking God that he wasn’t executed for such reckless behavior.
They’ve already sacrificed. They deserve to go out while everyone else stays locked up.
Hopefully there’ll be more, because over 400,000 Americans died in WWII.
They could’ve lived for years. Nursing home death rates are typically lower than kindergarten classes’.
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How will an economy function with half the people at home? That’s more people than are home right now.
Maybe part of the disagreement between me and some of you American guys has to do with the fact that few place in the US have measures anywhere near as strict as what we now have in place. For example, in Toronto you can be fined up to $5000 for standing too close to another person in public. It’s totally irrational and does very little to solve the problem of people getting critically ill or dying.
That’s definitely a cause for concern, but do you have any data on preexisting health conditions? I’m willing to bet a large portion of those have another health issue which made them more susceptible.
In Ottawa, 38% of those who have been hospitalized for coronavirus are 44-64 and 48% are 65%. Zero under 20 years old.
So based on those numbers it only makes sense to isolate seniors since they account for half of serious cases.
If that’s the case in the US then maybe you guys really need a full shutdown of everything that isn’t essential.
And does it matter if they stay home? I don’t think many 20 year olds are essential to running the economy.
I’m not aware that they are in giant numbers. I’m sure some elderly do and I’m sure some sick do. But I wouldn’t think the overwhelming majority are. Plus one way to lower the risk for all is to limit that stuff anyways. Like everyone regardless of age and health. I have pointed out why it would be difficult for us at this moment to do something different but I would support ways to get essentials to these people. I would guess a lot of these people aren’t having to go get essentials themselves often.
That’s stupid.
Death maybe but sickness isn’t few and far between. And it’s been pointed out and you’ve acknowledged that any sickness which requires hospitalization needs to be avoided while we recover from what we have. The situation may be quite a bit different in Canada, but if I was Canadian I would certainly support steps that kept the country from being in the boat the US is in.
Undoubtedly we can Monday morning quarterback this thing to death. But changing course now might have worse effects than doing what we are doing. Worse effects for health in the short term and worse effects for the economy in the long term.
Impossible to say for sure but certainly worth considering.
But the total number of cases among the other half will go up as infection will spread quicker. You do know that very smart people have come up with how to best deal with the spread of this disease and lessen its impact on human lives.
Do you? Do we know the status of every Canadian in regards to this? Maybe you do I have no idea. We certainly don’t here.
Does data suggest that people under 20 can’t infect others? This may be worth reading.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/73B19AD2-6DCD-11EA-8762-407E1360EFBA
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Let’s see, doctors and nurses are overwhelmed, even with the lockdowns in place. Doctors and nurses have died because of covid 19. The solution therefore is to make it so they will be even more overwhelmed and at greater risk of getting sick and/or dying just so we can go to the movie theater?
They have no choice but to deal with the stress and risks associated with this virus while we can’t deal with the stress of staying home, social distancing and not eating out. Something doesn’t make sense about that.
A lot of kids in America have asthma.
No, but its highly relevant.
From the article you linked:
Only 8% of the cases of coronavirus in New York City are from people above 75, as of Friday morning, according to the city’s health department. However, 50% of the city’s 366 total deaths were people older than 75, and 97% of the deaths were people who had underlying conditions
You see what I’m saying?
Just for reference I work in a nursing home, and we have a possible coronavirus outbreak right now.
And where do they go if they need serious medical intervention?
Hospital of course. What kind of question is that?
My argument here is that stricter measures need to be put in place to stop the sick and elderly from getting infected, and while shutting down some things might be a good idea they are going too far. $700 fine for letting your son play in an empty field.
That is probably true
No, and outside of previously documented general demographic data I don’t believe many others do either.