[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Might be of particular interest to those in California.
http://strictlyright.com/2010/11/was-that-a-chinese-missile-off-the-california-coast/
“Asian intelligence reports claim that the Chinese submarine that launched the ‘mystery missile’ cruised through the weakly defended South Pacific, getting to 35 miles off the California coast, from where the missile was fired.”[/quote]
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
They would have had nothing to stop him with.
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Nonsense. German army was literally non-existent before 1937. Between 37-39 it managed to get almost as big as the French army. When Germany invaded Poland they left literally nothing on the Rhine facing the Maginot Line. It was all bluff, audacity and the new “blitzkreig” tactics outlined by Guderian and others before the war. And Germany had been waging “fourth generation” warfare since the Nazis came to power.
The Anglo-French forces could’ve obliterated Germany whilst they were in Poland. They could’ve repelled the Western offensive in 1940 if they had not been stuck in a “static war” mindset.
Why am I not surprised to hear that?
Germany + Austria = 2 independent German states…1 + 1 = 2. Arabs are much better at this game than Germans.
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The occupation of the Rhineland did not help either. [/quote]
Didn’t do much good though did it? Krupp in Essen continued to produce heavy armaments in violation of the Versailles treaty all through the Weimar era.[/quote]
Yeah well, all other nations were allowed to have one nation, Austria was not allowed to join Germany, there were ethnic German minorities in a lot of nations.
Combine that with the invasion of Belgian and French forces of German demilitarized zones, an enclave in Danzig without any land corridor whatsoever and general terms after in Versailes that were appropriate (not wise, just appropriate) for a vanquished foe, not someone more or less in a stalemate.
The British hunger blockade did not help either.
So yes, there was a reason why most Germans and Austrians were right behind Hitler when it came to those issues.
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[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]revamp wrote:
China has sent out a few warnings to us aussies that we may be caught in a cross fire if we allow you yanks to build a base in aus.[/quote]
Yeah well, you might. [/quote]
Orion you really are a piece of work. The Aussies are a weak country with a vast amount of land and natural resources. They are temptingly close to several countries with massive populations that could use the Lebensraum. They aren’t an insignificant backwater that isn’t worth invading like Austria or Switzerland. So neutrality is not an option for them.
If they don’t ally with the US, who else are they going to ally themselves with? [/quote]
I dunno.
But if they ally themselves with the Americans they might get pulled into a conflict between the US and China.
Mere statement of fact. [/quote]
I don’t disagree that a conflict between the US and china could pull in our allies. But you are just trying to play on peoples irrational fears. The US isn’t just going to start a fight with China for no reason. It would be much more likely to be China that would start it by invading Taiwan.
If the Chinese start gobbling up their neighbors it will be very much in Australia’s interest to have a powerful ally that has a lot in common with them culturally. Besides that, the Chinese aren’t the only country in that part of the world that could use the lebensraum.
Otherwise who else are they going to ally with? India? The Indians are much more likely to get into a conflict with China than the US and the price for their help could be open their border to mass immigration.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
The US isn’t just going to start a fight with China for no reason. It would be much more likely to be China that would start it by invading Taiwan.
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Because only the US has a right to invade other country. The US is like the hand of god bringing peace and freedom to the world.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
To cultivate that relationship with a relatively free economy while still clinging to statist fantasies, that was the mistake.
The US could have outperformed China, but not with their hands tied, their feet hobbled and a ball gag. [/quote]
Incorrect, because the issue is not strictly economic outperformance. It is a strategic mistake to allow unfriendly rivals access to your markets so that rival can arm itself by virtue of that relationship. Even if you “outperform” them over 20 years, they grow and sharpen their fangs, and in the process become emboldened. That’s bad strategy - better to let an unfriendly rival wither on the vine than help it grow strong.[/quote]
Look, they send you stuff, you send them ever depreciating dollars.
You have no complaints, you play as dirty as they do.
But, this is not as it has to be, this is how you want it to be.
You cannot cheat an honest man, but that is not exactly what you are, is it?[/quote]
How on earth did you ever get such a stupid idea as “you cannot cheat an honest man”? You are getting sillier and sillier. An honest man is the easiest person to cheat and take advantage of. Because he is the most trusting and least likely to see it coming.
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Well then the US is in no danger, because their financial policies are far from honest.
Getting mad at the Chinese because they are better at it is just childish.
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I’m no fan of how powerful interests in the US have screwed this country dealing with the Chinese. We should have put our foot down over Tiananmen and we should have done something when they bought the Clinton’s. But seeing as how you live in a Euro country it very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
The Euro is a much worse example of dishonesty and it is threatening the entire world. They brought in countries whose finances were so sketchy that they only just, barely met the conditions for membership when they joined and as soon as they joined they went back to business as usual. Now it is the Euro more than anything else that is threatening to bring down the worldwide financial system. All because of the megalomaniacal ambitions of Euro federalists.
You are living way beyond your means, wasting money on stupid ideas, on credit and you are not doing the necessary belt tightening to avert a catastrophe that is going to affect the entire world.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
This is where US made its first major error RE China:
Mainichi Shimbun(Japanese newspaper) on hearing of MacArthur’s fate:
“MacArthur’s dismissal is the greatest shock since the end of the war. He dealt with the Japanese people not as a conqueror but a great reformer. He was a noble political missionary. What he gave us was not material aid and democratic reform alone, but a new way of life, the freedom and dignity of the individual… We shall continue to love and trust him as one of the Americans who best understood Japan’s position.”[/quote]
Actually the US first major mistake with China came long before that. When the communists had finally beat Chiang Kai Shek, Cow En Lai approached the US and asked for recognition of China. The US said no we don’t deal with communists. Because of that the US had no diplomatic relations with China going into the Korean conflict. If the US had an embassy in China they might have been able to keep the Chinese out of the conflict.
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
The US isn’t just going to start a fight with China for no reason. It would be much more likely to be China that would start it by invading Taiwan.
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Because only the US has a right to invade other country. The US is like the hand of god bringing peace and freedom to the world. [/quote]
Now you are just being stupid. It only takes a brief look at how the other great world powers that came before the US wielded their power to see that the US has been quite benevolent with it’s power. The American military has done a lot to make this world a better place. You are just jealous because your country can’t do shit to help anyone else.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
It only takes a brief look at how the other great world powers that came before the US wielded their power to see that the US has been quite benevolent with it’s power. The American military has done a lot to make this world a better place. [/quote]
You should become comedian.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
The hand of God[/quote]
Who else but God could save so many lives in one stroke?
(Well, 2 really.)[/quote]
Just don’t try and talk about that here!
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
The hand of God[/quote]
Who else but God could save so many lives in one stroke?
(Well, 2 really.)[/quote]
Just don’t try and talk about that here!
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No problems, come to Australia and we will buy u a beer and shake your hand and say thanks.
If we’d lost the war, we’d all have been prosecuted as war criminals.
General Curtis LeMay
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, all other nations were allowed to have one nation,
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Exactly. And the Germans get two. Then that’s not enough. All places where ethnic Germans live must be fuzed into a single state; and the following day the rest of Czechoslovakia then Poland, Norway & Denmark; then Belgium/France/Netherlands and Egypt/Libya plus Russia for the Lebensraum and so forth.
Bullshit. If Austria wanted Anschluss it could’ve been done by plebescite. Austrian National Socialist Party were fifth columnists.
Invasion? GTFO.
So what? Was there a land corridor between Brandenburg-Prussia and East Prussia before 1807? Was there a land corridor through Hanover linking the Rhineland with the rest of “Prussia” between 1866 and 1914?
Fantasy. Germany was collapsing - Navy and Army mutinies and dersertions; bankrupcy. Ludendorff recognised this after the failed Western offensive of 1918. Germany was spent - as were France and Russia for that matter.
There was no “hunger blockade” you goose. The Versailles terms were overly harsh - granted. That’s all.
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So yes, there was a reason why most Germans and Austrians were right behind Hitler when it came to those issues. [/quote]
Overly harsh. That’s all.
So, what’s China’s claim to Tibet, Vietnam, Korea, Mongolia, Taiwan, the Phillipines, ect? If you know anything about Chinese history, most of China was enlarged because “barbarians” conquered THEM. I’m talking Mongols and Manchus of course. And if China has a claim on Mongolia as Chinese territory, than it nulifies the claim that the “Chinese” always stayed “in their own backyard.”
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, all other nations were allowed to have one nation,
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Exactly. And the Germans get two. Then that’s not enough. All places where ethnic Germans live must be fuzed into a single state; and the following day the rest of Czechoslovakia then Poland, Norway & Denmark; then Belgium/France/Netherlands and Egypt/Libya plus Russia for the Lebensraum and so forth.
Bullshit. If Austria wanted Anschluss it could’ve been done by plebescite. Austrian National Socialist Party were fifth columnists.
Invasion? GTFO.
So what? Was there a land corridor between Brandenburg-Prussia and East Prussia before 1807? Was there a land corridor through Hanover linking the Rhineland with the rest of “Prussia” between 1866 and 1914?
Fantasy. Germany was collapsing - Navy and Army mutinies and dersertions; bankrupcy. Ludendorff recognised this after the failed Western offensive of 1918. Germany was spent - as were France and Russia for that matter.
There was no “hunger blockade” you goose. The Versailles terms were overly harsh - granted. That’s all.
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So yes, there was a reason why most Germans and Austrians were right behind Hitler when it came to those issues. [/quote]
Overly harsh. That’s all.[/quote]
Austria was not allowed to join Germany. Not with a plebiscite, not without one.
The hunger blockade killed several thousand German civilians. Look it up. The obsession with “Lebensraum” in the east did not come out for nowhere.
And yes, invasion. There were demilitarized zones in German which ought to have remained exactly that. However French and Belgian forces invaded and occupied them.
True, the German army was not in good shape. Hardly matters, the other armies were not really better off either. The French army had to deal with widespread mutinies.
Oh, look ye here, and all just a google search away…
Throughout the period from the armistice on 11 November 1918 until the signing of the peace treaty with Germany on 28 June 1919, the Allies maintained the naval blockade of Germany that had begun during the war. As Germany was dependent on imports, it is estimated that 523,000[1] civilians had lost their lives during the war, and a quarter-million more[2] died from disease or starvation in this eight month period.
On September 10, 1919, Chancellor Karl Renner signed the Treaty of Saint Germain and it was ratified by the national assembly on October 21. According to its provisions, the name of the republic was changed from “German Austria” to “Austria” and any efforts for the country to unify with Germany were banned. Article 88 of the treaty, sometimes called a “pre-Anschluss attempt”, states that “the independence of Austria is inalienable otherwise than with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations.” [1] Likewise, in the Treaty of Versailles dictating the terms of peace for Germany, there was a prohibition of unification. With these changes and the settling of Austria’s frontiers, the era of the Federal State of Austria, sometimes called the First Austrian Republic, began.
