China Rising, We're Number 2

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Screw all the military tech. All they have to do is collectively use their qi to blow up Manhattan.

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It could be. The Taiwanese military sucks balls from what I’ve heard.

I think they just don’t give a fuck.

Didn’t Mao mandate Tai chi as a cure for tuberculosis?

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TBH, that’s not a bad recommendation… AFTER real treatment (ie antibiotics) have been given

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He said so much nonsense I can’t keep up lol. Even in the 90s or 2000s, they were making claims worldwide that Traditional Chinese Medicine managed to cure severe brain damage one newscaster suffered that Western Medicine couldn’t. In the 80s and 90s, the State also claimed they had people with telekinetic powers, which resulted in some of the most hilarious HK movies ever made and launched the career of Stephen Chow(All for the Winner).

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Probably projection from Westerners who are saturated in political news daily, and assume everyone else is obsessively doing the same thing too (not to mention the sad quality of much news).

I don’t know that I’ve encountered this view of rabid communism personally. There’s a consensus that they’re saturated in propaganda from the State, but you already know that with your wife’s TV habits.

Maybe in the sense that westerners probably feel that the Chinese population believes a lot of the propaganda (not unreasonable, but we’re also on the other side of the world and uninformed about the vibe there).

Nah, mostly we view this part as just the CCP leadership

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I think there’s misunderstanding on both sides, or to put it in terms of food:

China: US food is crap, all they eat is hamburgers and fries
US: Chinese food? I’ve had Chinese food, went to Panda express the other day.

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That got me to chuckle. I think this is an excellent analogy.

Also, hungry are we? Lol

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no, my stats class is using an example with food preferences :laughing:

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I think it’s more like:
US: Chinese food? You mean bats, cats and dogs?

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good point

Don’t forget the pangolin. I hear they are very tasty deep fried.

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No one eats pangolin

Pangolin is dried, ground into powder and mixed into some medical concoction.

Stewed endangered salamander is a (highly illegal) delicacy though

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No, you really cannot. Germany for instance, has had 3 different governments in the 20th century. One prior to WW1, one before WW2 and one after. So it has essentially been 3 countries divided along political lines. While you can criticize the US for some of it’s history, that history does not include genocide and mass murder (especially as policy) and the CCP very much does. And it’s not a critique of chinese people at all. I am pretty sure most of the surf class doesn’t have much regard for the CCP. It’s still very much Mao’s China.

I know some Native Americans who may take issue with this.

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In other words, people go to where the money is at. If it’s the US, fine. If it’s China, that’s fine too as long as they get paid. That’s what leaves the US in a very precarious situation. Breaking news, is that the US has joined the EU in China sanctions and that joining was very much as a result of the failed talks in Alaska.
We’ve already felt the results of moving too much of our core infrastructure to China, who is in no uncertain terms, an enemy. Promises to bring back infrastructure to the US are not obviously being done in practice.
All China has to do is quit sending us antibiotics. Between the time of the cessation and the ramping up of US production, a lot of people will die. China wants to crush us and they are using us against ourselves to great effect.

IDK, systemic racism and the insane incarceration rates aren’t exactly great

Agreed.
To be fair, disease did most of the actual killing, but the US government policy probably counts as cultural genocide

The policy wasn’t of mass murder- it was stupid policy decision and excessive attachment to ineffective ideology that resulted in multiple catastrophic famines. They didn’t even have mass slave labour camps like the Soviets, but that’s mostly because the government had minimal organization powers
To be fair, Chiang Kai Shek (the guy who escaped to Taiwan and set up their government) authorized the blowing up a dam which caused massive flooding leading to a massive famine in Henan

Mao would turn in his grave if he saw the extent of consumer culture in China today. @dt79

This I agree with. While trade is good, a country should be able to produce it’s own essential infrastructure, particularly medical equipment/supplies

no they don’t. They want to get rich off of the world buying their shit.

Both nations need to stop treating each other as enemies and start making each other rich

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I agree with a lot of your perspective in response to pat, but I don’t think these things are comparable at all to genocide and mass murder. Incarceration by definition is justice for something wrong that was done, so cannot be construed as either. We can definitely debate whether so much is good or bad, or needs correction, but fundamentally it’s payment for a crime.

Systemic racism is different too. Not good, but much different. If you want to compare slavery, that’s more applicable but also long dead in the country thankfully.

Disease wasn’t intentional, more a result of completely not understandimg the germ theory and hygiene. But the transformation of government policy from the beginnings to it’s eventual end is simply awful. A sad, sad chapter.

They’re doing that already. The problem is what happens if this equilibrium changes for one reason or the other.

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There is also good money to be made convincing people that we are soon to be enemies, and that we (the US) will lose power and wealth.

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