After reading more about this I definitely would not jump in. I’m not sure how I would handle the 14ft fall but mostly the dogs cannot be thought of as your typical dog, even an aggressive one if you have experience with that.
From wiki
The African wild dog has a bite force quotient (BFQ, the strength of bite relative to the animal’s mass) measured at 142, the highest of any extant mammal of the order Carnivora
Nearly 80% of all wild dog hunts end in a kill; for comparison, the success rate of lions, often viewed as ultimate predators, is only 30%
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I doubt 2-3 adult males would be able to defend against African wild dogs.
It would all depend on how long the kid would need to be defended. Wild dogs are known for their endurance. [/quote]
I’m sure wild dogs have great endurance, but are they known for their ability to not die when crushed and stabbed by something 3-4 times bigger than them? I still maintain that I would take my chances, even if alone.[/quote]
I think you underestimate the power and speed of wild animals in kill mode. [/quote]
No offense, but these aren’t your neighbors pair of labs. These are completely undomesticated, wild, violent animals. Once you enter that cage, it’s you or them, and you’re not killing 11 vicious wild dogs in attack mode. Those things would literally eat you alive.[/quote]
You don’t have to win or even survive; you just have to keep them away from your kid long enough for the people with guns to get there.
I’m in without thinking twice, and I’m not expecting to come out alive. I would just be hoping that I could distract them from my offspring long enough for the cavalry to arrive.
One of the core functions of a man is to protect his family. There are no exceptions to that for me.[/quote]
No doubt and that’s realistic. I think most Father’s would, without a second thought, jump in.
I don’t think many realize the power these animals have and that your chances of surviving are not much better than if you jumped in a cage with a lion, bear, etc… with numbers a guy or two won’t last long. Their instinct is to kill.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote: WARNING do not watch if you don’t want to see an animal die
Notice the group mentality. The Impala is small, but it only take one dog to take it down. [/quote]
GET SOME!!!
All im saying, is if were MY kid; i’d take my chances. Being bred in captivity, i doubt theyre going to attach a full size human but you have to get to the kid before the feeding frenzy starts. It’s impossible to tell exactly how theyd react, but ill be damned if im going to stand there and watch MY kid get eaten.
x2 on the parent living in hell, but she should be charged with the death of an endangered animal then. That level of stupidity shouldnt be ignored.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I doubt 2-3 adult males would be able to defend against African wild dogs.
It would all depend on how long the kid would need to be defended. Wild dogs are known for their endurance. [/quote]
I’m sure wild dogs have great endurance, but are they known for their ability to not die when crushed and stabbed by something 3-4 times bigger than them? I still maintain that I would take my chances, even if alone.[/quote]
I think you underestimate the power and speed of wild animals in kill mode. [/quote]
No offense, but these aren’t your neighbors pair of labs. These are completely undomesticated, wild, violent animals. Once you enter that cage, it’s you or them, and you’re not killing 11 vicious wild dogs in attack mode. Those things would literally eat you alive.[/quote]
You don’t have to win or even survive; you just have to keep them away from your kid long enough for the people with guns to get there.
I’m in without thinking twice, and I’m not expecting to come out alive. I would just be hoping that I could distract them from my offspring long enough for the cavalry to arrive.
One of the core functions of a man is to protect his family. There are no exceptions to that for me.[/quote]
I touched on this earlier, but it was ignored so I’ll bring it up again: that kid fell 14 feet. He was probably at least unconscious by the time he hit the ground, if not worse. I don’t have any children (that I know of) so have no point of reference, but if you enter that cage you’d better hope that you could hold them off til the Calvary arrived, 'cause you’re dead as fried chicken within 2 minutes tops.
[quote]csulli wrote:
I get where you all are coming from, but honestly, I think you guys underestimate human beings in “kill mode”. Nobody here is trying to equate wild African dogs to house pets (dunno why everyone is bringing that up). But nevertheless, a 50 or 60 pound creature can only be so powerful.[/quote]
I hate to break this to you, but humans are pretty far down the food chain when we don’t have weapons at our disposal. Wild dogs are killing machines see the post after yours. When they hunt they kill most of the time.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I hate to break this to you, but humans are pretty far down the food chain when we don’t have weapons at our disposal. Wild dogs are killing machines see the post after yours. When they hunt they kill most of the time. [/quote]
Well if I didn’t have my knife on me things would be different that’s for sure. You guys are no fun though. I think humans can be pretty tough.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I touched on this earlier, but it was ignored so I’ll bring it up again: that kid fell 14 feet. He was probably at least unconscious by the time he hit the ground, if not worse. I don’t have any children (that I know of) so have no point of reference, but if you enter that cage you’d better hope that you could hold them off til the Calvary arrived, 'cause you’re dead as fried chicken within 2 minutes tops.[/quote]
Doesn’t matter if he died in the fall, as a father I’m jumping in.
And I bet that if you started to put up a fight that other dads’ would also have jumped in. Those of you without kids don’t understand that instinct to protect a child. Of course some parents don’t understand it either…
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I hate to break this to you, but humans are pretty far down the food chain when we don’t have weapons at our disposal. Wild dogs are killing machines see the post after yours. When they hunt they kill most of the time. [/quote]
Well if I didn’t have my knife on me things would be different that’s for sure. You guys are no fun though. I think humans can be pretty tough.[/quote]
They (we) can, but it’s like comparing apples and calculators. You get in that cage alone, you die.
I’m on the jumping in bandwagon. I’ve turned the tables on a couple of aggressive dogs already, and considering the circumstances, would go all out- kill and/or be killed to protect my son.
As much as people are saying that these dogs are killing machines, they are survival machines. They know the score on another animal protecting one of its young, which is that they become extremely dangerous. If they want to survive, they will likely choose an easier prey than a full grown adult human protecting its baby.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
After reading more about this I definitely would not jump in. I’m not sure how I would handle the 14ft fall but mostly the dogs cannot be thought of as your typical dog, even an aggressive one if you have experience with that.
From wiki
The African wild dog has a bite force quotient (BFQ, the strength of bite relative to the animal’s mass) measured at 142, the highest of any extant mammal of the order Carnivora
Nearly 80% of all wild dog hunts end in a kill; for comparison, the success rate of lions, often viewed as ultimate predators, is only 30%[/quote]
No doubt it would fucking hurt if one bit you. Not like it would snap your arm or anything though like something bigger could. It is so high on the BFQ, because it’s so fucking small. In psi I think their bite force is around 300, which is slightly better than most, but not all, domestic dogs.
Awesome kill ratio as well. Obviously very smart and coordinated animals. I am not sure these domestic ones would even be in “kill mode” if a 200+ pound dude were in front of them though. I mean they have the instincts, but they get plenty to eat, and don’t have to hunt. I wonder if they would even risk it. In the wild these things go after prey that is around 120lbs tops. Sometimes the most badass packs will go after larger prey, but that’s rare, and I’m just not sure a bunch of zoo ones would be up to the task.
Their first directive is to survive, not die or lose half their pack for some meal they don’t really even need. I mean 11 is a big number of wild dogs, and if they wanted, I’d be dead. But they’d have to like all kamikaze in practically. If they tried to do it like they’d hunt a fucking gazelle when you have your back to the wall, they’d just get picked off.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I doubt 2-3 adult males would be able to defend against African wild dogs.
It would all depend on how long the kid would need to be defended. Wild dogs are known for their endurance. [/quote]
I’m sure wild dogs have great endurance, but are they known for their ability to not die when crushed and stabbed by something 3-4 times bigger than them? I still maintain that I would take my chances, even if alone.[/quote]
I think you underestimate the power and speed of wild animals in kill mode. [/quote]
No offense, but these aren’t your neighbors pair of labs. These are completely undomesticated, wild, violent animals. Once you enter that cage, it’s you or them, and you’re not killing 11 vicious wild dogs in attack mode. Those things would literally eat you alive.[/quote]
You don’t have to win or even survive; you just have to keep them away from your kid long enough for the people with guns to get there.
I’m in without thinking twice, and I’m not expecting to come out alive. I would just be hoping that I could distract them from my offspring long enough for the cavalry to arrive.
One of the core functions of a man is to protect his family. There are no exceptions to that for me.[/quote]
I’d be in there as well.
My point was if anyone thinks they would go in there and kick doggie ass, they would be gravely mistaken.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m on the jumping in bandwagon. I’ve turned the tables on a couple of aggressive dogs already, and considering the circumstances, would go all out- kill and/or be killed to protect my son.
As much as people are saying that these dogs are killing machines, they are survival machines. They know the score on another animal protecting one of its young, which is that they become extremely dangerous. If they want to survive, they will likely choose an easier prey than a full grown adult human protecting its baby.
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I almost brought this up. I broke up a serous dog fight a few months ago, and got my right arm ripped open with bone exposed, and could’ve lost my left thumb in the process (but saved the dogs). I did this without thinking, it was just reaction. This is not the same thing. Jumping in that cage all but ensures you’d share the same fate as the kid. No one here is scarring those dogs away from doing what they’ve evolved to do.
I agree that the dog’s focus is going to be on survival. I’m sure I’d get destroyed if they were intent on killing me, but I’d like to think I’d jump in there regardless if my child’s life was at stake.
I was going to say that I agree that they would recognise how dangerous and not worth their time it would be to attack another larger animal protecting it’s young, but then I saw this:
I can’t imagine the Hunting Dogs would gain much by attacking the hyena, but it didn’t seem to deter them. And I’m sure a hyena is better equipped to defend itself than a human.
In term sof being killed by hunting dogs, I’d be interested to know how it would be done. They are a maximum of 80lb and humans are pretty well designed in that vulnerable areas such as the throat are pretty far out of reach when standing. I don’t know how it would go down either way, it is interesting. I mean I’m sure the human would take loads of damage, but I’m not sure how the dogs would go about actually killing them. I guess they would have to spend ages dragging the guy to the ground and then it would be game over.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I almost brought this up. I broke up a serous dog fight a few months ago, and got my right arm ripped open with bone exposed, and could’ve lost my left thumb in the process (but saved the dogs). I did this without thinking, it was just reaction. This is not the same thing. Jumping in that cage all but ensures you’d share the same fate as the kid. No one here is scarring those dogs away from doing what they’ve evolved to do.[/quote]
They didn’t evolve to go get half or more of their pack killed so that they could take down a man just for the shit of it though. Unless they were starving, I think they would likely say “well I was going to go after that tiny defenseless thing, but now that there’s a big huge thing here, I think I’ll just fuck off and not risk it cuz they just fed me a steak like an hour ago”
I know that’s just speculative, but it makes sense doesn’t it? I mean, why would they risk trying to fight something so much bigger unless they really had to?
P.S. That hyena could really use a wall to back up against. I’m also curious how long it took them to win. IMO that sort of supports the argument to jump in. At that rate it would take the dogs fucking ages. You could have the damn National Guard there by the time they killed you if they were going at it like that, especially given that you wouldn’t be surrounded like the hyena was.
I touched on this earlier, but it was ignored so I’ll bring it up again: that kid fell 14 feet. He was probably at least unconscious by the time he hit the ground, if not worse. I don’t have any children (that I know of) so have no point of reference, but if you enter that cage you’d better hope that you could hold them off til the Calvary arrived, 'cause you’re dead as fried chicken within 2 minutes tops.[/quote]
He fell onto a safety net first, which I’m assuming would assist me in getting down there without breaking a leg or worse, getting knocked silly in the fall. But hell, even then the dogs might just decide to eat me and leave my kid alone. I’d make a decent meal for a small pack of dogs.
Like I said, I have no delusions about my probability of surviving this encounter. I’m fully aware that I may not be able to protect my kid either, but I’m sure as hell not going to stand there and do nothing. I have more than one child; how exactly am I supposed to look them in the eye and tell them that daddy watched while their sister or brother got eaten by fucking dogs, and then expect them to believe me when I tell them I love them and would do anything to protect them when all available empirical evidence points to the contrary? For that reason, I don’t think I could stand there and watch another person’s child get mauled either.
OK, since most people here would not jump in if it wasn’t their kid, would you be the second one to jump in? Assume you see the first person make the descent without injury.
How many people do you think it would take to scare the dogs away? There would have to be a less than 2:1 ratio of dogs:people to fight them off if they attacked, but I think 3-4 men could at least make them wary enough to stay away until help arrived.
I’m in for the free drinks forever after if I survive.
In all seriousness, examining this scenario from behind my computer, yes I jump in and try to save a child. I don’t do it because it’s heroic, but because I can’t imagine many worse ways to die than being eaten. In the moment, I don’t know. I’d probably stare like everyone else. Packs of humans are really good at staring.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
OK, since most people here would not jump in if it wasn’t their kid, would you be the second one to jump in? Assume you see the first person make the descent without injury.
How many people do you think it would take to scare the dogs away? There would have to be a less than 2:1 ratio of dogs:people to fight them off if they attacked, but I think 3-4 men could at least make them wary enough to stay away until help arrived.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s so much a matter of a ratio of dogs to men as just a minimum threshold of men. I really think 4 relatively big, fit and strategically minded men could hold off a pretty large group of dogs if they work together, back to back and don’t give any opportunities to the dogs. I really think the dogs would be forced to give up after a while. If they do work together and don’t leave the space and time for dogs to latch on and bring a guy to the ground I don’t think the dogs will be able to kill them, though undoubtedly they’d cause a lot of pain. There’s only so many times they’ll accept being kicked in the head before they’d give up.
I think this because it seems that hunting dogs are small and rely on overwhelming their opponents with volume. If it were a bigger animal with more ‘one shot kill’ power then it would be a completely different story and I wouldn’t fancy the humans chances at all.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I almost brought this up. I broke up a serous dog fight a few months ago, and got my right arm ripped open with bone exposed, and could’ve lost my left thumb in the process (but saved the dogs). I did this without thinking, it was just reaction. This is not the same thing. Jumping in that cage all but ensures you’d share the same fate as the kid. No one here is scarring those dogs away from doing what they’ve evolved to do.[/quote]
They didn’t evolve to go get half or more of their pack killed so that they could take down a man just for the shit of it though. Unless they were starving, I think they would likely say “well I was going to go after that tiny defenseless thing, but now that there’s a big huge thing here, I think I’ll just fuck off and not risk it cuz they just fed me a steak like an hour ago”
I know that’s just speculative, but it makes sense doesn’t it? I mean, why would they risk trying to fight something so much bigger unless they really had to?
P.S. That hyena could really use a wall to back up against. I’m also curious how long it took them to win. IMO that sort of supports the argument to jump in. At that rate it would take the dogs fucking ages. You could have the damn National Guard there by the time they killed you if they were going at it like that, especially given that you wouldn’t be surrounded like the hyena was.[/quote]
Dude, YOU ARE NOT KILLING half of their pack. If they attack you, you’re probably not getting one of them. If several of those things were to go at you all at the same time, you’re nothing more thand dinner. That’s it. You and your pocket knife wouldn’t do a thing. Those things would most certainly bite through your bones, specifically the smaller ones of the hands and lower arms.
