[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
One of the women (from Pittsburgh) on another forum I frequent tells me a lot of people hold their kids up on that railing!
WTF? [/quote]
Dude, the average person on the street would be dead inside of 12 hours if left all alone in the middle of a jungle.
Society is so far removed from nature at this point, a simple world wide black out for over 2 months would kill half the population.
It doesn’t surprise me that some people feel so ridiculously safe that the thought of being hurt by “nature” doesn’t even cross their minds even when staring right at it’s sharp teeth.[/quote]
True. Common sense isn’t common.
THANK YOU.
This is something Ive known for years. What we call common sense has been dead in Modern society for over half a century.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I think she deserves blame, as i am somewhat of a fussy grandma when it comes to safety. I mean I hate people that text and drive. I mean I hate them a lot.
What the boy went through before dying is a true nightmare some to life. To fall like that and then to die in that way [/quote]
A litigious culture breeds irresponsibility. I don’t blame the mother for what happened when it’s become the norm to hand over your personal safety to other people.
I don’t blame the zoo either: they had safeguards in place but didn’t anticipate parents standing their kids on the rails. IMO, the mother and the rest of the visitors never expected that to happen and could only look on in horror.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I think she deserves blame, as i am somewhat of a fussy grandma when it comes to safety. I mean I hate people that text and drive. I mean I hate them a lot.
What the boy went through before dying is a true nightmare some to life. To fall like that and then to die in that way [/quote]
A litigious culture breeds irresponsibility. I don’t blame the mother for what happened when it’s become the norm to hand over your personal safety to other people.
I don’t blame the zoo either: they had safeguards in place but didn’t anticipate parents standing their kids on the rails. IMO, the mother and the rest of the visitors never expected that to happen and could only look on in horror.
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Roy, I agree the zoo is not to blame (and no violations were found after the fact), however, the railing on which she held her son had been constructed so that it tilted at nearly a 45 degree angle TOWARD the platform, in the event someone held a child there, they’d more than likely fall away from the habitat toward the platform.
No matter what, this news item keeps coming back to me and brings me down. Everyone there lost something that day.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
it tilted at nearly a 45 degree angle TOWARD the platform, in the event someone held a child there, they’d more than likely fall away from the habitat toward the platform.
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well irrelevant since it wasn’t really designed to be stood on anyway.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I think she deserves blame, as i am somewhat of a fussy grandma when it comes to safety. I mean I hate people that text and drive. I mean I hate them a lot.
What the boy went through before dying is a true nightmare some to life. To fall like that and then to die in that way [/quote]
A litigious culture breeds irresponsibility. I don’t blame the mother for what happened when it’s become the norm to hand over your personal safety to other people.
I don’t blame the zoo either: they had safeguards in place but didn’t anticipate parents standing their kids on the rails. IMO, the mother and the rest of the visitors never expected that to happen and could only look on in horror.
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Roy, I agree the zoo is not to blame (and no violations were found after the fact), however, the railing on which she held her son had been constructed so that it tilted at nearly a 45 degree angle TOWARD the platform, in the event someone held a child there, they’d more than likely fall away from the habitat toward the platform.
No matter what, this news item keeps coming back to me and brings me down. Everyone there lost something that day.
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I think the rail was designed to stop adults falling into the enclosure, just as the net was designed to catch a fully grown human. A backward falling rail with a toddler standing just that fraction too far forward would slide the kid straight into the pit.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
One of the women (from Pittsburgh) on another forum I frequent tells me a lot of people hold their kids up on that railing!
WTF? [/quote]
Dude, the average person on the street would be dead inside of 12 hours if left all alone in the middle of a jungle.
Society is so far removed from nature at this point, a simple world wide black out for over 2 months would kill half the population.
It doesn’t surprise me that some people feel so ridiculously safe that the thought of being hurt by “nature” doesn’t even cross their minds even when staring right at it’s sharp teeth.[/quote]
I completely agree.
Next time any of you are on a train or in an airport or walking down a sidewalk in a busy city look around you and gauge how many folks, percentage wise, are going to survive a serious survival situation. It flat out aint happenin’ for a huge chunk of our population.[/quote]
My wife and I were just discussing this very topic 2 nights ago. We were at a rest stop on the way to Baltimore. The number of folks apparently oblivious to the goings on around them is the first indicator. The illusion of safety.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
One of the women (from Pittsburgh) on another forum I frequent tells me a lot of people hold their kids up on that railing!
WTF? [/quote]
Dude, the average person on the street would be dead inside of 12 hours if left all alone in the middle of a jungle.
Society is so far removed from nature at this point, a simple world wide black out for over 2 months would kill half the population.
It doesn’t surprise me that some people feel so ridiculously safe that the thought of being hurt by “nature” doesn’t even cross their minds even when staring right at it’s sharp teeth.[/quote]
I completely agree.
Next time any of you are on a train or in an airport or walking down a sidewalk in a busy city look around you and gauge how many folks, percentage wise, are going to survive a serious survival situation. It flat out aint happenin’ for a huge chunk of our population.[/quote]
My wife and I were just discussing this very topic 2 nights ago. We were at a rest stop on the way to Baltimore. The number of folks apparently oblivious to the goings on around them is the first indicator. The illusion of safety.
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I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.[/quote]
Oh man! I remember that one particular attempted rape. The woman (Alexandra Zapp) fought the fucker off (he was a repeat sex offender), but he ended up killing her in the bathroom stall.
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.[/quote]
Oh man! I remember that one particular attempted rape. The woman (Alexandra Zapp) fought the fucker off (he was a repeat sex offender), but he ended up killing her in the bathroom stall.
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This is a common rest stop along a highway I used to frequently travel.
Maybe you shouldn’t take your wife to places where the chance of rape is high?
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.[/quote]
I would think the person who puts himself in a compromised position for little to no gain is exactly the kind of person who doesn’t survive.
If you can’t stop at a safe place, why even stop? You’d rather risk being raped than hold your piss until you reached a safe area?
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.[/quote]
Oh man! I remember that one particular attempted rape. The woman (Alexandra Zapp) fought the fucker off (he was a repeat sex offender), but he ended up killing her in the bathroom stall.
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This is a common rest stop along a highway I used to frequently travel.
Maybe you shouldn’t take your wife to places where the chance of rape is high?
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Nice picture. Again, the illusion of safety.
You have thousands of people of all types coming and going daily. Not like the airport which is so heavily surveilled.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
If one couldn’t figure it out from my previous post I’ll make it clear I’m absolutely going in if it’s my kid and there’s a very strong likelihood I’m going in after yours.
My kids, no matter what their age, get my protection at all costs til my dying day…even if it kills me.
If there’s nothing in this life worth dying for you really have nothing to live for.
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Couldn’t finish the thread, but pretty much this.
I’d like to think I’d go in and not freeze. I’d probably die though.
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.[/quote]
Oh man! I remember that one particular attempted rape. The woman (Alexandra Zapp) fought the fucker off (he was a repeat sex offender), but he ended up killing her in the bathroom stall.
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This is a common rest stop along a highway I used to frequently travel.
Maybe you shouldn’t take your wife to places where the chance of rape is high?
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Nice picture. Again, the illusion of safety.
You have thousands of people of all types coming and going daily. Not like the airport which is so heavily surveilled.
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This is one of many along the highway I traveled. Are there shitty trucker stops? You bet. I don’t stop there because I don’t want the problems associated with shitty trucker stops. Especially when I’m with my wife.
Everyone should have a sense situational awareness. It doesn’t mean I think everyone should be in condition orange when they leave the house.
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.[/quote]
Oh man! I remember that one particular attempted rape. The woman (Alexandra Zapp) fought the fucker off (he was a repeat sex offender), but he ended up killing her in the bathroom stall.
[/quote]
This is a common rest stop along a highway I used to frequently travel.
Maybe you shouldn’t take your wife to places where the chance of rape is high?
[/quote]
Nice picture. Again, the illusion of safety.
You have thousands of people of all types coming and going daily. Not like the airport which is so heavily surveilled.
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This is one of many along the highway I traveled. Are there shitty trucker stops? You bet. I don’t stop there because I don’t want the problems associated with shitty trucker stops. Especially when I’m with my wife.
Everyone should have a sense situational awareness. It doesn’t mean I think everyone should be in condition orange when they leave the house.
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I agree. Though I do keep my eye on everything around me, no matter where I am with my wife and son.
I think it’s hard to judge someone’s survivability based on their appearance or their demeanor in a public place. Rest stops are relatively safe places for families to relax and get a meal while on the road from my experience. I’ve seen some pretty shady stops in the past though.
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LOL
I would think the person who sees a rest stop as “safe” is exactly who we are talking about.
LOL @ “family rest stops”…aka, where to get raped.[/quote]
Oh man! I remember that one particular attempted rape. The woman (Alexandra Zapp) fought the fucker off (he was a repeat sex offender), but he ended up killing her in the bathroom stall.
[/quote]
This is a common rest stop along a highway I used to frequently travel.
Maybe you shouldn’t take your wife to places where the chance of rape is high?
[/quote]
Nice picture. Again, the illusion of safety.
You have thousands of people of all types coming and going daily. Not like the airport which is so heavily surveilled.
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This is one of many along the highway I traveled. Are there shitty trucker stops? You bet. I don’t stop there because I don’t want the problems associated with shitty trucker stops. Especially when I’m with my wife.
Everyone should have a sense situational awareness. It doesn’t mean I think everyone should be in condition orange when they leave the house.
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There’s a part of me that’s glad that you really don’t see the danger. That you really don’t see how something could go wrong in broad daylight, and nobody would even notice. I’m glad you’re not able to see “how could someone take advantage of the situation”. I feel a bit safer.
On the other hand, well, I think you’d be better off if you did see it.
This is one of many along the highway I traveled. Are there shitty trucker stops? You bet. I don’t stop there because I don’t want the problems associated with shitty trucker stops. Especially when I’m with my wife.
Everyone should have a sense situational awareness. It doesn’t mean I think everyone should be in condition orange when they leave the house.
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Once again…spoken like someone who likely hasn’t experienced much “danger” in real life.
Just so you can’t claim no one told you, I am sure many men here (especially those with military service) wouldn’t consider anything outside of their own home where they can control the environment to be “safe”…and then only as long as no one else breaks in or a fire isn’t started.
You are the kind of guy who loses his child in a restroom to a guy selling candy.
I mean…what if he was dressed nice and smiled a lot?
We once had a discussion here where people argued that it was strange for me to be on the look out when at a gas station at 3am. Many were convinced that if they had to be alert during these times, that it meant you were paranoid.
People like that are who criminals look for. They call that being a “mark”.
