[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh maybe this could help you think about it. Imagine deadlifting a bar, and now imagine there are rope handles on the bar and deadlifting it with those. The rope isn’t somehow requiring you to use less force, it’s simply a different means of linking you with something else through your hands.[/quote]
Although by using a rope, you can work in a stronger ROM than without, because you can redirect the application of force.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
A horse and bovine are prey animals. Not really comparable. Bulldogging a calf doesn’t take much strength at all though, you just hang on and bam, calf on the ground helpless. That works on calves, beeves, steers, (a recalcitrant milk cow if needed as well) and bulls if one is ballsy enough. If you really think a calf is a badass animal you should get out more. Seriously, go wave a stick at a cow. Better yet, pick up a pebble, and throw it at a big mean horse. Make sure you point when you throw it, you will own that horse. Moving animals generally isn’t a tough thing to do… But if you aren’t used to it then I understand it would be scary/tougher.[/quote]
Exactly.
After this thread, every time I see csulli post I will forever think, “That’s the guy who thinks he can beat up 11 wild dogs.”
I admire your confidence. It will bring you much success in life. Or, an early grave. But at least you’ll go out with a bang.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh maybe this could help you think about it. Imagine deadlifting a bar, and now imagine there are rope handles on the bar and deadlifting it with those. The rope isn’t somehow requiring you to use less force, it’s simply a different means of linking you with something else through your hands.[/quote]
Although by using a rope, you can work in a stronger ROM than without, because you can redirect the application of force.[/quote]
Try it. It’s actually harder. And enough with the rope! I make for a terrible physics teacher. Maybe spar4tee can come explain ropes to us or something.
^Reins allow more leverage on a horses head. Halter+reins and you can turn a horse of any size- not so with just a lead rope.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
After this thread, every time I see csulli post I will forever think, “That’s the guy who thinks he can beat up 11 wild dogs.”
I admire your confidence. It will bring you much success in life. Or, an early grave. But at least you’ll go out with a bang.
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Lol, thanks. I never really claimed to be able to take them all out though.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Their first directive is to survive, not die or lose half their pack for some meal they don’t really even need. I mean 11 is a big number of wild dogs, and if they wanted, I’d be dead. [/quote]
I just think I could have held them at bay for long enough, or possibly indefinitely depending on how tentative they were about taking on something much larger than themselves.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
That’s not proof of superior strength. You used two external man-made advantages (the rope and the post) to control the animal. [/quote]
Well the rope isn’t a mechanical advantage lol. The post was I suppose.[/quote]
Of course it is. Why do you think people even use ropes and reigns on animals if they don’t offer a mechanical advantage?
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Rope just links things together. If you set up a pulley, no one calls the rope a mechanical advantage, it’s the wheel system in the pulley that is the mechanical advantage. I’m not sure you’re really thinking about this. I guess you could say that the horse had the advantage of the rope too lol. How else was he going to “hold on” to me? Haha.[/quote]
The rope is not part of your body and it makes it easier for you to control the horse. From the horse’s POV you are controlling it by the head and neck and not having to contend with it on an even footing.
Go ahead and try the same without the rope before suggesting that I’m not thinking about it.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
A horse and bovine are prey animals. Not really comparable. Bulldogging a calf doesn’t take much strength at all though, you just hang on and bam, calf on the ground helpless. That works on calves, beeves, steers, (a recalcitrant milk cow if needed as well) and bulls if one is ballsy enough. If you really think a calf is a badass animal you should get out more.
Seriously, go wave a stick at a cow. Better yet, pick up a pebble, and throw it at a big mean horse. Make sure you point when you throw it, you will own that horse. Moving animals generally isn’t a tough thing to do… But if you aren’t used to it then I understand it would be scary/tougher.[/quote]
I worked on farms for years as a teen.
My point was even domestic livestock aren’t easily led like a puppy.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh maybe this could help you think about it. Imagine deadlifting a bar, and now imagine there are rope handles on the bar and deadlifting it with those. The rope isn’t somehow requiring you to use less force, it’s simply a different means of linking you with something else through your hands.[/quote]
What does pulling an inanimate object have to do with controlling a live horse?
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh maybe this could help you think about it. Imagine deadlifting a bar, and now imagine there are rope handles on the bar and deadlifting it with those. The rope isn’t somehow requiring you to use less force, it’s simply a different means of linking you with something else through your hands.[/quote]
What does pulling an inanimate object have to do with controlling a live horse?[/quote]
Don’t worry about it man. You missed the point several miles back lol.
Most of us would have dove in after that kid, even though witnesses said he was dead within seconds.
Wild Dogs are some of the most feared animals in Africa. Just because you yourself have an obedient dog doesn’t mean that a “NO” or “STAY” will do shit when you’re attacked by the wild dog pack… all at once.
Anything less than a gun will probably not increase your chances of not getting your ass torn up or killed.
Wild animals in survival mode have skills we have long since abandoned. Use it or lose it.
In that situation, you will smell like fear. The dogs know it. Points off for you.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
5. In that situation, you will smell like fear. The dogs know it. Points off for you.
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Pfft. Yeah right man. I would have smelled like delusional confidence and rage.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
5. In that situation, you will smell like fear. The dogs know it. Points off for you.
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Pfft. Yeah right man. I would have smelled like delusional confidence and rage.[/quote]
LOL!
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh maybe this could help you think about it. Imagine deadlifting a bar, and now imagine there are rope handles on the bar and deadlifting it with those. The rope isn’t somehow requiring you to use less force, it’s simply a different means of linking you with something else through your hands.[/quote]
What does pulling an inanimate object have to do with controlling a live horse?[/quote]
Don’t worry about it man. You missed the point several miles back lol.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m a tad slow, I admit. That’s why I asked you to elaboarate on how your comparison between deadlifts and horse coralling makes the use of a rope any less of an advantage.
I guess I’m confused by your claim that humans aren’t physically that far behind other mammals, but you had to use a rope and a post in order to bring one under control.
Very sportsmanlike of you to give the horse a fighting chance.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Most of us would have dove in after that kid, even though witnesses said he was dead within seconds.
Wild Dogs are some of the most feared animals in Africa. Just because you yourself have an obedient dog doesn’t mean that a “NO” or “STAY” will do shit when you’re attacked by the wild dog pack… all at once.
Anything less than a gun will probably not increase your chances of not getting your ass torn up or killed.
Wild animals in survival mode have skills we have long since abandoned. Use it or lose it.
In that situation, you will smell like fear. The dogs know it. Points off for you.
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In regard to 2) when you say they are some of the most feared animals in Africa, where did you hear this? I’m not disputing it, I have pretty much no knowledge on the subject, I’m just interested because the National Geographic article I posted earlier seems to suggest that they get along with humans just fine. It even talks about Kenyan children walking past them on a daily basis and never being troubled.
And just for reference, in my earlier posts when I suggested that they wouldn’t kill a grown man I didn’t mean that they weren’t physically capable of it if they are intent on doing so. I just think you’d be able to hold them at bay and encourage them to give up: I think that their instinct to survive would outweight their instinct to kill. Even one on one I think it would be almost impossible for a man to kill a wild dog.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
That’s not proof of superior strength. You used two external man-made advantages (the rope and the post) to control the animal. [/quote]
Well the rope isn’t a mechanical advantage lol. The post was I suppose. Still wasn’t that impressed with the horse.[/quote]
so is having four legs instead of two as well as a big ass neck
[quote]furo wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Most of us would have dove in after that kid, even though witnesses said he was dead within seconds.
Wild Dogs are some of the most feared animals in Africa. Just because you yourself have an obedient dog doesn’t mean that a “NO” or “STAY” will do shit when you’re attacked by the wild dog pack… all at once.
Anything less than a gun will probably not increase your chances of not getting your ass torn up or killed.
Wild animals in survival mode have skills we have long since abandoned. Use it or lose it.
In that situation, you will smell like fear. The dogs know it. Points off for you.
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In regard to 2) when you say they are some of the most feared animals in Africa, where did you hear this? I’m not disputing it, I have pretty much no knowledge on the subject, I’m just interested because the National Geographic article I posted earlier seems to suggest that they get along with humans just fine. It even talks about Kenyan children walking past them on a daily basis and never being troubled.
And just for reference, in my earlier posts when I suggested that they wouldn’t kill a grown man I didn’t mean that they weren’t physically capable of it if they are intent on doing so. I just think you’d be able to hold them at bay and encourage them to give up: I think that their instinct to survive would outweight their instinct to kill. Even one on one I think it would be almost impossible for a man to kill a wild dog.
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I watched a documentary years ago on the subject. However, feared as in by other animals.
If we can use our relationship with wild wolves as a model, then wild dogs would seem not to be a problem when encountering humans. However, this changes when dogs are pent up and restricted to a tiny territory, as in an enclosure of a zoo.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]furo wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Most of us would have dove in after that kid, even though witnesses said he was dead within seconds.
Wild Dogs are some of the most feared animals in Africa. Just because you yourself have an obedient dog doesn’t mean that a “NO” or “STAY” will do shit when you’re attacked by the wild dog pack… all at once.
Anything less than a gun will probably not increase your chances of not getting your ass torn up or killed.
Wild animals in survival mode have skills we have long since abandoned. Use it or lose it.
In that situation, you will smell like fear. The dogs know it. Points off for you.
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In regard to 2) when you say they are some of the most feared animals in Africa, where did you hear this? I’m not disputing it, I have pretty much no knowledge on the subject, I’m just interested because the National Geographic article I posted earlier seems to suggest that they get along with humans just fine. It even talks about Kenyan children walking past them on a daily basis and never being troubled.
And just for reference, in my earlier posts when I suggested that they wouldn’t kill a grown man I didn’t mean that they weren’t physically capable of it if they are intent on doing so. I just think you’d be able to hold them at bay and encourage them to give up: I think that their instinct to survive would outweight their instinct to kill. Even one on one I think it would be almost impossible for a man to kill a wild dog.
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I watched a documentary years ago on the subject. However, feared as in by other animals.
If we can use our relationship with wild wolves as a model, then wild dogs would seem not to be a problem when encountering humans. However, this changes when dogs are pent up and restricted to a tiny territory, as in an enclosure of a zoo. [/quote]
I also saw a documentary which featured painted dogs. The one I saw showed footage of them facing off against hyenas over a carcass. That made me realize how deceptively ferocious they can be.
It’s worth stressing that the dogs are in an environment where their natural instincts are preserved but they lose their fear of humans over time through frequent, visual contact with visitors.
I would just jump in the pit and ask the dogs to do me a kindness by not eating the child. They seem like reasonable creatures.
[quote]furo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
That’s a great question. I tell you what I’d rather fight a big cat or a bear over a croc, they just freak me out for some reason. I’ve been watching that show, “Outback Hunter,” I think it’s called and those dudes are nuts. In the last episode a guy is air lifted onto what looks like some branches in the water by a 15 croc he wants to kill. Dude had to wait an hour for his boat to be air lifted in. Then the croc rammed his boat and it started taking on water. FUCK THAT!![/quote]
I definitely agree haha. Mammals are just less scary than crocodiles or sharks or whatever.
As for where I’d draw the line - probably somewhere around wolves and the smaller big cats (leopards, panthers, jaguars etc). Lions, tigers, bears etc might be a step too far haha. I’m under no illusion that I’d win or anything, I just think if my child’s life was at risk I’d probably go in.
But as has already been said no one can predict what they’d do in that situation. Maybe my instinct to protect my child at all costs would kick in or maybe I’d just freeze.[/quote]
FUCK NO