[quote]Christine wrote:
Yeah, this thread got really silly quick.
No one defended her. The school took action and expelled her.
I really don’t understand the ‘debate’.[/quote]
Basically this.
How is it even an issue beyond that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
What do you have to say about “Beat Whitey” nights and dozens of flash mob attacks on white people by blacks?[/quote]
I have never even heard of this so why are you acting like this is some hugely public and supported issue? Since I have never heard of it, I would have to research it to have any opinion at all. Why would I need to have an opinion of things I don’t even know exist?
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What do you think of the THOUSANDS of murders and rapes of white farmers in South Africa and Zimbabwe… BECAUSE THEY’RE WHITE? What do you think of the tribal songs of Africans that exclaim, “Kill the White Boers!”? [/quote]
You are speaking of some other country…once again an issue I know little of so why would I be expected to comment on some issue I do not know the history or motive or any details of?
You are saying I can’t champion any cause without championing EVERY CAUSE on the planet? WTF?
They don’t get attention because these are issues that occur in places with poorer income and social status. Blacks aren’t being “racially profiled” by other blacks if that is what you are implying.
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Granted, the killing of Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. Whether George Zimmerman is innocent or not is beyond me; I’m not a lawyer. However, your complete lack of recognizing that whites are often targeted because they’re white is completey out of touch with what goes on.[/quote]
Uh, that wasn’t stated. What was stated blatantly WAS BEING ATTACKED AND/OR PROFILED BY AUTHORITY FIGURES. Please show this happening in majority to whites…or else you have no point. It is not my duty to be aware of ever atrocity on the planet just so I can have an opinion on this one. We are speaking of racial issues IN THIS COUNTRY, not all over the globe in places I do not know the history of.
The real question would be, "If “beat Whitey Night” is such a risk to your happiness and life, why are you not standing against it with every other white person?
Why only bring it up if a black person gets tired of being racially profiled by authority figures?
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As a matter of fact, a white co-worker of mine has a teenage kid who was regularly abused at a school… BECAUSE HE’S WHITE.
What do you think about all this? [/quote]
I think we only have your word on this…with ABSOLUTELY NO DETAILS, so why would I have an opinion at all about something I don’t know anything about?
How is he abused? Why are his parents keeping him in that school if his life is at risk daily? Why aren’t you and your co-worker making his attacks public if they are completely race based and his life is at risk?
What do I think of it? I think if my kid was being abused every day like you claim, I would make it so that didn’t happen. Why hasn’t your coworker protected his own kid yet and stepped in? Are you saying he has no other choices in schools if his life is at risk?[/quote]
Thanks for the thorough response.
I find it surprising that you can’t even offer an opinion or recognize the wrongness of an event simply by its title, “Beat Whitey Night”, and instead say you’d have to look into the matter, as if there can be a justifiable reason for targeting people of any race for shits and giggles. And if you looked into it, do you think you’d come across a justifiable reason to beat the piss out of innocent people at a state fair? A 14 year old boy was nearly beaten to death, and was kept alive because an elderly lady chose to shield him with her body.
It’s also interesting that what seems to matter to you only for discussion in this thread is an authority figure profiling someone, rather than acknowledging people are targeted because of their race not only by authority figures.
My co-worker removed her son from that school.
I guess only the lives of blacks and whites in this country are all that matter, and also that you just might come across a justifiable excuse for the rapes and murders of innocent people if you look into the history of a country.
Again, thanks for the responses.
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
Thanks for the thorough response.
I find it surprising that you can’t even offer an opinion or recognize the wrongness of an event simply by its title, “Beat Whitey Night”, and instead say you’d have to look into the matter, as if there can be a justifiable reason for targeting people of any race for shits and giggles. And if you looked into it, do you think you’d come across a justifiable reason to beat the piss out of innocent people at a state fair? A 14 year old boy was nearly beaten to death, and was kept alive because an elderly lady chose to shield him with her body.
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I just looked it up and it looks like some sort of gang activity.
This reports 30-40 individuals beating up random white people at a fair. I assume I have to write out that I am against ANYONE being attacked like this for no reason no matter what color they are.
Why would I try to justify this?
Oh, wait…you expect me to act like you.
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It’s also interesting that what seems to matter to you only for discussion in this thread is an authority figure profiling someone, rather than acknowledging people are targeted because of their race not only by authority figures. [/quote]
Being targeted by authority figures means people in power. Yes, that is a larger threat to my happiness and the progress of this country as a whole than random crime by someone who has no authority over me.
Like I said, please show this happening to white in majority. if you can’t, then admit there are very few instances in the life of a white person in this country where authority figures label their skin color as a negative and use it to form profiling practices that cause NON OFFENDERS to be attacked.
Good for them. We still have few details and you could be making all of this up.
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I guess only the lives of blacks and whites in this country are all that matter, and also that you just might come across a justifiable excuse for the rapes and murders of innocent people if you look into the history of a country.
Again, thanks for the responses. [/quote]
?? You are delusional. That is all.
I have also read blogs just now of “Beat Whitey Night” and apparently authorities dictated it was not racially motivated. This seems to be some hot topic for racist blogs. There isn’t much info about it at all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have also read blogs just now of “Beat Whitey Night” and apparently authorities dictated it was not racially motivated. This seems to be some hot topic for racist blogs. There isn’t much info about it at all.[/quote]
You can also find out about it from established news outlets.
I’m sure the Trayvon Martin case is a hot topic on racist websites as well.
Apparently you put more faith in the workings of our authorities than I do and in their honesty (same goes for most mainstream media), which I find ironic considering you have such a problem with these same authorities who wrongfully profile your kind.
I apologize if I used the wrong tone in addresssing you.
It was nice talking with you. Take care.
I was visiting friends in Nacogdoches, TX one weekend; home to Stephen F. Austin State University and also in deep east Texas. The town was a weird mix of “old south” sensibilities and suburban Houston and Dallas college kids looking for parties.
Any ways, some local blacks actually did organize a “beat whitey night” and beat up white kids, usually a car full of blacks to one “whitey”, real bad asses you know? Evidently it was a recurring weekend event.
Well, the local KKK chapter organized a peaceful march in response. Guess who got the strongest negative publicity?
The group a “woe is me” sensationalistic story could be built around, both times though from a different angle.
The black dudes did make a mistake of jumping a kid in the Kappa Alpha Order fraternity outside the KA house one weekend though. Trucks blocked the road and as I heard it things got pretty sick. I guess karma is a bitch.
Moral of the story don’t be a dumb ass I guess. And understand most scenarios are a two way street whether you are the initiator or receiver. Double standards built around reactionary, knee jerk temperaments are a fucking joke. Hell, objectively speaking, the Klan looked like white knights in shining armor compared to the blacks and frats, no pun intended.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Yeah, this thread got really silly quick.
No one defended her. The school took action and expelled her.
I really don’t understand the ‘debate’.[/quote]
Basically this.
How is it even an issue beyond that?[/quote]
This.
And seriously, if anyone on here legitimately does not understand why a white person’s racism against a black person (I hate the term “black”) is treated differently than a black person’s racism against a white person…just crack open a history book. Or better yet, head down to some parts of the deep South, and it’ll make a lot more sense.
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have also read blogs just now of “Beat Whitey Night” and apparently authorities dictated it was not racially motivated. This seems to be some hot topic for racist blogs. There isn’t much info about it at all.[/quote]
You can also find out about it from established news outlets.
I’m sure the Trayvon Martin case is a hot topic on racist websites as well.
Apparently you put more faith in the workings of our authorities than I do and in their honesty (same goes for most mainstream media), which I find ironic considering you have such a problem with these same authorities who wrongfully profile your kind.
I apologize if I used the wrong tone in addresssing you.
It was nice talking with you. Take care. [/quote]
He trusts the authorities when it suits his personal views. Dude is a walking cess pool of double standards and hypocrisies. When he comes to terms with the fact that he himself is a closet racist, maybe we will at least get some consistency out of him.
[quote]MentorSorg wrote:
Apparently you put more faith in the workings of our authorities than I do and in their honesty (same goes for most mainstream media), which I find ironic considering you have such a problem with these same authorities who wrongfully profile your kind.
I apologize if I used the wrong tone in addresssing you.
It was nice talking with you. Take care. [/quote]
? This post doesn’t make sense. You avoided every single direct question tossed at you. You may want to avoid jumping into discussion at all in the future if avoidance and unsupported responses are all we have to look forward to.
Why would I be against this level of racial profiling yet also put faith in authority figures after what was written here?
Edit: Nevermind.
[quote]four60 wrote:
If I seen a Giant Kodiak Bear with diarrhea Shooting a Scar 17 at everyone within 60yrd the last thing on my mind is that the Bear has the shits.
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LMFAO!
This HAS to go down in TN history as one of the best lines ever said here… along with Ct Rockula’s “…mist of hatred and broccoli” line!
Oh hey it’s Brick!
[quote]debraD wrote:
Oh hey it’s Brick![/quote]
Dear lord, woman. Just do what normal people do when they’re bored.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Oh hey it’s Brick![/quote]
Dear lord, woman. Just do what normal people do when they’re bored.
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I already ate =D
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Oh hey it’s Brick![/quote]
Dear lord, woman. Just do what normal people do when they’re bored.
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I already ate =D[/quote]
…Just watch I love the 80’s. Difficult Canadian.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Yeah, this thread got really silly quick.
No one defended her. The school took action and expelled her.
I really don’t understand the ‘debate’.[/quote]
Basically this.
How is it even an issue beyond that?[/quote]
This.
And seriously, if anyone on here legitimately does not understand why a white person’s racism against a black person (I hate the term “black”) is treated differently than a black person’s racism against a white person…just crack open a history book. Or better yet, head down to some parts of the deep South, and it’ll make a lot more sense.[/quote]
I don’t think there actually are people who don’t understand. I do think there are a whole lot who try really hard not to…like comparing some crazy woman getting kicked out of school so fast I doubt a full week went by to a man being allowed to simply walk home without even an escort or a piss test after killing a kid.
“racism is racism” would be completely missing the point…but seriously, you know and I know and even they know that already.
But admitting no one is turning the color “white” into a scare tactic or criminal profile must be pretty tough.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Yeah, this thread got really silly quick.
No one defended her. The school took action and expelled her.
I really don’t understand the ‘debate’.[/quote]
Basically this.
How is it even an issue beyond that?[/quote]
This.
And seriously, if anyone on here legitimately does not understand why a white person’s racism against a black person (I hate the term “black”) is treated differently than a black person’s racism against a white person…just crack open a history book. Or better yet, head down to some parts of the deep South, and it’ll make a lot more sense.[/quote]
This argument is so tired. We don’t live in the 1830’s or even 1960’s. It’s a new generation closer than ever to genuine equality; double standards hold that progress back by institutionalizing differences whether it is with good intent or bad, as in the case of racial profiling. Either way, intent is not all that matters.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This.
And seriously, if anyone on here legitimately does not understand why a white person’s racism against a black person (I hate the term “black”) is treated differently than a black person’s racism against a white person…just crack open a history book. Or better yet, head down to some parts of the deep South, and it’ll make a lot more sense.[/quote]
Yeah but lumping all “whites” together is not right either. My family didn’t come to the US until after slavery had been abolished for 30+ years. And from what I have read, being Irish in America during that time was no picnic.
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This.
And seriously, if anyone on here legitimately does not understand why a white person’s racism against a black person (I hate the term “black”) is treated differently than a black person’s racism against a white person…just crack open a history book. Or better yet, head down to some parts of the deep South, and it’ll make a lot more sense.[/quote]
Yeah but lumping all “whites” together is not right either. My family didn’t come to the US until after slavery had been abolished for 30+ years. And from what I have read, being Irish in America during that time was no picnic.[/quote]
“The majority” is what gets lumped together since “the majority” is pretty much in control of most of America. Once again, that is why I keep mentioning AUTHORITY FIGURES…because minorities are the ones at risk of losing out by the people chosen to “protect”.
I am not in control of another man’s actions just like you aren’t. It is not my fault that some other black guy steals a car across town. It isn’t your fault that this kid was targeted, but one thing we do know is that authority figures had a racial profile…not an “action profile”.
Trayvon fit the description because of his skin color. That was why he was followed and that is why he is now dead.
He died because he was essentially being held accountable for the actions of others…things he had no control over.
If you can’t see the problem there even after a story like this, it is just because you don’t want to.
No white person is at risk of the same tonight. You won’t be targeted and shot tonight by AUTHORITY FIGURES just for being white.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This.
And seriously, if anyone on here legitimately does not understand why a white person’s racism against a black person (I hate the term “black”) is treated differently than a black person’s racism against a white person…just crack open a history book. Or better yet, head down to some parts of the deep South, and it’ll make a lot more sense.[/quote]
Yeah but lumping all “whites” together is not right either. My family didn’t come to the US until after slavery had been abolished for 30+ years. And from what I have read, being Irish in America during that time was no picnic.[/quote]
“The majority” is what gets lumped together since “the majority” is pretty much in control of most of America. Once again, that is why I keep mentioning AUTHORITY FIGURES…because minorities are the ones at risk of losing out by the people chosen to “protect”.
I am not in control of another man’s actions just like you aren’t. It is not my fault that some other black guy steals a car across town. It isn’t your fault that this kid was targeted, but one thing we do know is that authority figures had a racial profile…not an “action profile”.
Trayvon fit the description because of his skin color. That was why he was followed and that is why he is now dead.
He died because he was essentially being held accountable for the actions of others…things he had no control over.
If you can’t see the problem there even after a story like this, it is just because you don’t want to.
No white person is at risk of the same tonight. You won’t be targeted and shot tonight by AUTHORITY FIGURES just for being white.[/quote]
I was with you until you then tried to abstract ‘profiling’ from the Trayvon case. He fit the description of prior break-ins, it just so happened to be that the description was young and black.
If tonight in my town, a mid 20s white male breaks some law the causes police be on the lookout, and I am wandering the streets as a mid 20s white male who matches his description, I will be ‘profiled.’ That’s not racial profiling, that’s police work(or neighborhood watch work, but that discussion is for the actual Trayvon thread).
This post is in no way asserting that racial profiling hasn’t ever or doesn’t still happen, but the Trayvon case is a terrible example.