[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< And again, this conversation is wholly irrelevant to talking about fucking guns, which is what the conversation WAS about until you sidetracked it so badly >>>[/quote]
Fair enough, I apologize. I’ll save it for another time.[/quote]
Thing is…it’s not irrelevant. He himself brought it up and actually claimed the “right” to keep and bear arms is a right secondary to the insane, stupendous notion of the “right” not to hear creationism taught in the schools. He himself brought up the insane, stupendously moronic notion that the “right” to abortion, which he admits is a relatively recent one, supersedes the basic right to self defense, a right that goes back to the dawn of time.
The thing about FI is, he really doesn’t grasp the concept of what’s actually going on here. He thinks it’s about “fucking guns.” It’s not. It’s really not about the “fucking guns.” It’s about the fucking freedom.[/quote]
Well that’s fair enough too. I thought I started the hijack with the SCOTUS post, but if not then I retract my apology. Though yes, he has always struggled with understanding the larger system of thought that this nation was founded on.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Make no mistake about it, FI, I appreciate your support for gun rights but I’m here to ejucate ya on why you should appreciate 'em and it shouldn’t be just cuz you think guns are kewl.[/quote]
Believe me, I need no education from you or anyone else on why guns are important to a free society.
the creationism thing, just to explain why it’s important:
We’re not all Christians in this country. It means a lot that we do not force children to study religion in public school. It means that everybody, regardless of religion (or lack thereof) have an equal place in America. Teaching a religious subject in public school would be teaching little kids that they don’t belong, they just have to suck it up and pretend to fit in, that it’s not really their country. I don’t want that.
Guns might be more important just in the sense that they can save your life. But that doesn’t mean I don’t care about what kind of life it is.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
the creationism thing, just to explain why it’s important:
We’re not all Christians in this country. It means a lot that we do not force children to study religion in public school. It means that everybody, regardless of religion (or lack thereof) have an equal place in America. Teaching a religious subject in public school would be teaching little kids that they don’t belong, they just have to suck it up and pretend to fit in, that it’s not really their country. I don’t want that.
Guns might be more important just in the sense that they can save your life. But that doesn’t mean I don’t care about what kind of life it is. [/quote]
Not going to let this thread unravel into a defense of the good sense of teaching only the SCIENTIFIC PRECEPTS of the creation model in schools BUT I will say it again, if you too Alisa believe that there is a “right” not to hear creationism and you equate this “right” with the eternal right of self defense then you too are deluded as to what the term “right” means. You too would then need an ejucation on how to gain a proper perspective.
The “teaching little kids that they don’t belong, they just have to suck it up and pretend to fit in, that it’s not really their country. I don’t want that” sap is a distinct hijack as well. This is not meant to be an emotive thread. I don’t think.[/quote]
In another thread, you admitted (or at least told me) that creationism is faith based and you were saying that evolution is faith based too. Has there been a major change in that particular thought process?
the emotion was a way of communicating, though maybe it fell flat.
To be more direct: freedom of religion matters. It’s as much a part of a free society as the right to bear arms. I don’t want to have to choose between the two.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
the emotion was a way of communicating, though maybe it fell flat.
To be more direct: freedom of religion matters. It’s as much a part of a free society as the right to bear arms. I don’t want to have to choose between the two.[/quote]
Yes freedom of religion is as important as the right to bear arms. 100% agree. However allowing a public school to teach about religion is not a violation of these rights.
The federal government forcing a school to teach a religion would be a violation. The government forcing students to pray etc would be a violation. The government prohibiting prayer at school would be a violation. Etc etc etc. A school deciding to teach an opt-out religious class IS NOT a violation.
The federal government forcing schools to teach about creationism is a clear violation. A school deciding they were going to include some information on creationism would not be a violation.
I don’t feel that a school should be teaching creationism because I think it is a load of junk. However it is not a violation of your freedom of religion rights.