[quote]jzl1388 wrote:
haha thanks for the support guys; this morning i had a really great workout of deads and squats…i think i needed the carbs
back to low carb for me though, at least another week until i reintroduce carbs around my workout and then move from there
i miss my teens…metabolism slower every year[/quote]
Maybe your metabolism is slower because you are not consuming any carbs.You know, you can get very lean with carbs in your diet.I have several friends who are natural bodybuilders, who never ever go below 200 g of carbs/day when preparing for a show.Its all about calories, suffcient protein (1-2g/lb), and slow weight loss.
Infact,it is scientifically proven that no carb dieting will seriously make you lose a lot of lean mass and strength, mess with you hormone levels(higher estrogen,lower test,higher cortisol),and decrease protein utilization.you need carbs to utilize protein.
No carb dieting is good, IMO, for seriously overweight individuals who have a lot of energy to utilize (from around the lovehandles), but not good for a natural athlete looking to get ripped, and retain his lean mass and strength. Just saying…maybe you should consider reintroducing carbs in your diet.
I disagree. As Joel Marion points out in his “Cheat to Lose” book, cheat meals raise leptin levels which keeps your metabolism high, prevents starvation mode, and ultimately leads to higher fat loss.
Theory aside, I have a full cheat day every week and find it works better for fat loss than when I was eating 100% clean. It’s a lot more fun too.
I disagree. As Joel Marion points out in his “Cheat to Lose” book, cheat meals raise leptin levels which keeps your metabolism high, prevents starvation mode, and ultimately leads to higher fat loss.
Theory aside, I have a full cheat day every week and find it works better for fat loss than when I was eating 100% clean. It’s a lot more fun too.[/quote]
yes but a SINGLE MEAL will do nothing to reverse dieting adaptations.
just as skipping one meal wont cause you to go into “starvation mode”, adding a single high carb meal won’t do anything to convince your body that starvation has ceased. This takes at least a day or do, up to a few weeks (in the case of long term calorie restriction)
According to Joel, it only takes a day to fully restore leptin levels for most people. But you’re right, one cheat meal isn’t as beneficial as a full cheat day.
[quote]forlife wrote:
According to Joel, it only takes a day to fully restore leptin levels for most people. But you’re right, one cheat meal isn’t as beneficial as a full cheat day.[/quote]
His diet also has a very very low success rate. The benefits of Leptin manipulation are not proven and IMO anecdotal at best.
Have you read the book? He cites scientific research which supports the basic premise of the diet.
More importantly, it has worked for me. I was in a metabolic rut before trying the diet, and have since seen good progress toward my fitness goals. Your mileage may vary, but it is the most effective/enjoyable nutrition plan I’ve tried so far. I plan to continue it with some adaptation for the foreseeable future.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Have you read the book? He cites scientific research which supports the basic premise of the diet.
More importantly, it has worked for me. I was in a metabolic rut before trying the diet, and have since seen good progress toward my fitness goals. Your mileage may vary, but it is the most effective/enjoyable nutrition plan I’ve tried so far. I plan to continue it with some adaptation for the foreseeable future.[/quote]
I was in his very first test group for the diet. I know he has refined it a bunch since then but the first iteration of it was horrible- and based on the same supposed science. I’m happy for you that you are seeing results from it. One thing that was very clear from the trials was it is not a one-size-fits-all diet like he claimed it to be. Insulin sensitivity plays a major factor on if you will see results with the diet. Same with low carb plans. Same with high carb plans. And so on.
I agree there is no perfect diet for everyone. The thing I like about Cheat to Lose is that it is more a nutrition plan than a diet, which you can comfortably maintain for the rest of your life. It allows and even encourages enjoying good foods in moderation, rather than demonizing every cheat as counterproductive.
It worked for me because it broke my body out of a metabolic plateau, and continues to keep my body guessing. I had been following Berardi’s Precision Nutrition diet and initially saw good results, but found that my metabolism bottomed out, and even a small cheat would lead to fat gain.
Strategic cheating paired with regular exercise has been good for me, and I have lost fat as a result.
Berardi’s GSD calls for a refeed day every 2 weeks, that worked very well for me
i am not a expert on leptin levels, but i do know when I did the GSD those refeed days made me feel Very happy and invincible and in addition seemed to help my progress.
There are few pleasures as wonderful as when ‘cheat meal’ day, deadlift day, and ‘refeed’ day all fall on the same day during a growth/strength cycle.
As I read this and feeling bad for those cutting, my posterior is screaming at me from the workout yet is being replenished by the pizza I had earlier and the oh, so, pleasurable, evil, protein enhanced ice cream… Oh, the sacrelige…