[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Let’s consider an “Orion Introductory Tour,” a guide to America’s supposedly monolithic mindset:
Fly into Oakland, and hitch-hike to the People’s Republic of Berkeley.
Detour to the Soviet of Santa Monica.
Don’t bypass Provo, Utah, or Austin, Texas. Pensacola, FL, can be a little frightening for some who have fear of uniforms.
Cambridge, Mass, is off the tour, though. Too European.[/quote]
Lol. Good one!
Maybe he was talking about the new Rambo movie just out.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
BigMike wrote:
presidente hugo chaves continues to be a shinning light for all latinos across the americas , not just latinos but all opressed people around the word. many of you do not understand he gives hope to indigenous peoples of the americas and miniorities.expliotation and neo-liberalism will not go challenged in latin america. el pueblo unido !!!
Why don’t you move down to Venezuela if you like him so much?[/quote]
I think BigMike is joking. If not, cool!! Lixy needs a buddy on here. 
[quote]Chushin wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
Of course we have. We do not have the American worship of the military though.
What the hell are you talking about?
The whole “allegiance to the flag”, “thank you for serving”, “heroes in uniform” thing you got going on.
Gkhan, Rainjack, Chushin,
“Worship of the military?”
Now we have proof that Orion has never set foot in the US.
Let’s consider an “Orion Introductory Tour,” a guide to America’s supposedly monolithic mindset:
Fly into Oakland, and hitch-hike to the People’s Republic of Berkeley.
Detour to the Soviet of Santa Monica.
Don’t bypass Provo, Utah, or Austin, Texas. Pensacola, FL, can be a little frightening for some who have fear of uniforms.
Cambridge, Mass, is off the tour, though. Too European.
LMAO. He’s still hiding from my direct question on another thread about his experience (or, more accurately, lack thereof) living in the US.
Didn’t you know that reading about it in the media makes you a bona fide expert? Really…I read that on the internet! [/quote]
I was just refraining from pointing out the stupidity of the argument.
Since any one of you actually only knows 99,9 of the US from the media your argument was mind numbingly stupid even if I never had visited the US.
Second, there is no European country where a president could possibly score points by landing on an aircraft carrier, bullshitting people, we do not masturbate to our flags and waste millions of dollars discussing if, how or when they can be burned, flown upside down or any other shit, our kids are not forced to pray to our flag from kindergarten on upwards and “supporting the troops” or questioning the opponents "patriotism " was never an issue in any election I remember.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
It is so sad that Europeans today are not capable of thinking about any other issues, not even the ones that are close to home. ie The EU parliament is forcing a constitution upon the people in an undemocratic manner yet all Europeans can do is piss and moan about Iraq. [/quote]
Actually very good point!
[quote]Franck wrote:
Sifu wrote:
It is so sad that Europeans today are not capable of thinking about any other issues, not even the ones that are close to home. ie The EU parliament is forcing a constitution upon the people in an undemocratic manner yet all Europeans can do is piss and moan about Iraq.
Actually very good point!
[/quote]
Well, they are forcing it us through elected governments which is as close to a direct democracy as most constitutions that are ratified.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Since any one of you actually only knows 99,9 of the US from the media your argument was mind numbingly stupid even if I never had visited the US.
ROTFLMAO!!! This is, without a modicum of doubt, the absolute most inane, absurd, ridiculous and downright FUCKING STUPID thing I have EVER read ANYWHERE on T-Nation.
I nominate this for the dickhead post of the year!
Ha hah hah hah hah!
Unbelievable!
Hey genius, you should have told me this 15 years ago; I wouldn’t have wasted all these years living in Japan to increase my understanding of it’s people, culture and society. Who knew? All I had to do was read the internet!
Ha ha hah hah ha!
Listen, be smart and go away for a year or 2 and maybe MOST of us will forget this brilliant argument of yours…[/quote]
What worries me is that you think you actually made a point with this post.
[quote]Franck wrote:
Sifu wrote:
It is so sad that Europeans today are not capable of thinking about any other issues, not even the ones that are close to home. ie The EU parliament is forcing a constitution upon the people in an undemocratic manner yet all Europeans can do is piss and moan about Iraq.
Actually very good point! [/quote]
Huh? How many people did the European constitution kill so far? Did it turn a country into a hell-hole and a terrorist breeding ground?
What “is so sad”, is that some idiots think that this issue takes precedence over human life.
You guys need to stop putting words into orion’s and lixy’s mouth, mostly orion. It’s just retarded how you keep pretending they are saying things they didn’t.
Blowing yourself up to kill a foreign enemy you have no chance of deafeating elsewise, and doing it for the people you care about isn’t cowardice. it’s a huge sacrifice.
Setting upa position on a roof and shooting kids in a schoolyard, then making off IS COWARDICE
Seriously, if you argue with this you need to understand that self sacrifice to help other’s is one of the most honorable things someone can do.
It’s just that a lot of the bomber’s are doing it due to religeous///biased views///propaganda when regaurdless of what bush wantsmost of our soldiers in iraq want to HELP PEOPLE.
Now, I don’t support lixy, but twisting people’s words makes you off as an arrogent, prick without a substantial arguement.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Blowing yourself up to kill a foreign enemy you have no chance of deafeating elsewise, and doing it for the people you care about isn’t cowardice. it’s a huge sacrifice.
[/quote]
Reread what was written.
We’re talking about them attacking an unarmed civilian populace which has NO chance of defending themselves. They are racking up a huge death toll in Iraq, which the US gets blamed for, even though the US is fighting to defeat these “brave” insurgents.
What is remarkable is how the same people who bitch when a civilian gets shot in Iraq by US soldiers, cheers every time 50 people are blown to bits in a suicide attack on a market or some shit because they want the US to fail so bad they can excuse attacks on helpless people.
That, my friend, is the argument here.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Since any one of you actually only knows 99,9 of the US from the media your argument was mind numbingly stupid even if I never had visited the US.
ROTFLMAO!!! This is, without a modicum of doubt, the absolute most inane, absurd, ridiculous and downright FUCKING STUPID thing I have EVER read ANYWHERE on T-Nation.
I nominate this for the dickhead post of the year!
Ha hah hah hah hah!
Unbelievable!
Hey genius, you should have told me this 15 years ago; I wouldn’t have wasted all these years living in Japan to increase my understanding of it’s people, culture and society. Who knew? All I had to do was read the internet!
Ha ha hah hah ha!
Listen, be smart and go away for a year or 2 and maybe MOST of us will forget this brilliant argument of yours…[/quote]
Yep. He’s sooo smart, and knows sooo much about the US, its history, its and its people, why, he doesn’t need to leave his basement.
In fact, he’s sooooo smart, and he didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
You guys need to stop putting words into orion’s and lixy’s mouth, mostly orion. It’s just retarded how you keep pretending they are saying things they didn’t.
Blowing yourself up to kill a foreign enemy you have no chance of deafeating elsewise, and doing it for the people you care about isn’t cowardice. it’s a huge sacrifice.
…[/quote]
Yes, those women shopping in the market are a real foreign enemy.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Blowing yourself up to kill a foreign enemy you have no chance of deafeating elsewise, and doing it for the people you care about isn’t cowardice. it’s a huge sacrifice.
Reread what was written.
We’re talking about them attacking an unarmed civilian populace which has NO chance of defending themselves. They are racking up a huge death toll in Iraq, which the US gets blamed for, even though the US is fighting to defeat these “brave” insurgents.
What is remarkable is how the same people who bitch when a civilian gets shot in Iraq by US soldiers, cheers every time 50 people are blown to bits in a suicide attack on a market or some shit because they want the US to fail so bad they can excuse attacks on helpless people.
That, my friend, is the argument here.[/quote]
It is just that you claim that they are attacking civilians, which is just that, an unproven claim.
Like “fighting al Quaeda in Iraq” when more than 90% of the insurgents are not al Quaeda and never were.
Sad that your own intelligence community has shown again and again that this administrations talking points are BS and yet you still fall for them.
But you are right though.
If the Iraqis just stopped to resist the US occupation there would be less violence. Had the Slowenian Partisans or the Resistance stopped fighting the Wehrmacht…
When you are the occupying aggressor you do not get to make that argument. Yes a rape might end quicker when she stops fighting back, yet you are still irresponsible for any further damage to her body when she doesn´t.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Since any one of you actually only knows 99,9 of the US from the media your argument was mind numbingly stupid even if I never had visited the US.
ROTFLMAO!!! This is, without a modicum of doubt, the absolute most inane, absurd, ridiculous and downright FUCKING STUPID thing I have EVER read ANYWHERE on T-Nation.
I nominate this for the dickhead post of the year!
Ha hah hah hah hah!
Unbelievable!
Hey genius, you should have told me this 15 years ago; I wouldn’t have wasted all these years living in Japan to increase my understanding of it’s people, culture and society. Who knew? All I had to do was read the internet!
Ha ha hah hah ha!
Listen, be smart and go away for a year or 2 and maybe MOST of us will forget this brilliant argument of yours…
Yep. He’s sooo smart, and knows sooo much about the US, its history, its and its people, why, he doesn’t need to leave his basement.
In fact, he’s sooooo smart, and he didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn.[/quote]
Well, after this post I know now that I am smarter than you.
Not that I feel that that is any accomplishment.
[quote]orion wrote:
…It is just that you claim that they are attacking civilians, which is just that, an unproven claim.
…[/quote]
All those dead bodies are not enough for you?
[quote]orion wrote:
…
It is just that you claim that they are attacking civilians, which is just that, an unproven claim.
[/quote]
You have got to be shitting me! Are you being obtuse on purpose? LOL!! I needed a good laugh today. Thanks!
[quote]orion wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Since any one of you actually only knows 99,9 of the US from the media your argument was mind numbingly stupid even if I never had visited the US.
ROTFLMAO!!! This is, without a modicum of doubt, the absolute most inane, absurd, ridiculous and downright FUCKING STUPID thing I have EVER read ANYWHERE on T-Nation.
I nominate this for the dickhead post of the year!
Ha hah hah hah hah!
Unbelievable!
Hey genius, you should have told me this 15 years ago; I wouldn’t have wasted all these years living in Japan to increase my understanding of it’s people, culture and society. Who knew? All I had to do was read the internet!
Ha ha hah hah ha!
Listen, be smart and go away for a year or 2 and maybe MOST of us will forget this brilliant argument of yours…
Yep. He’s sooo smart, and knows sooo much about the US, its history, its and its people, why, he doesn’t need to leave his basement.
In fact, he’s sooooo smart, and he didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn.
Well, after this post I know now that I am smarter than you.
Not that I feel that that is any accomplishment.
[/quote]
Yes, I would agree only in that you have no accomplishements,
Let’s see your collected random thoughts:
–An apologist for targeting civilians in “war”
–In favor of “bombing bastards” but apparently only Orion is capable of naming them, and the bombs must be provided by others, because Europe hs no such force
–Those who send the retarded as walking bombs–against civilians (yes, only undefended civilians)–are not cowards
–A dupe of the Church of Rockwell, Anti-Lincoln accolytes
–an expert on all things American, who has not worked. lived or even set foot in America, but an expert nonetheless because he “reads on the internet.”
I would affirm that:
–you have no moral authority whatsoever, and any attempt at authority is risible
–you are a poseur. Can someone translate that for me into German?
–you should stick to things you know about, and because you are so dense and obstinate, I will enumerate them for you:
1. Lederhosen
2. Edelweiss
3. Dampfknodel–and any culture that could invent THAT should be condemned to its obscurity.
Ach, farewell…leave, you are an unmasked fraud and, Poseur, I fart in your general direction.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…It is just that you claim that they are attacking civilians, which is just that, an unproven claim.
…
All those dead bodies are not enough for you? [/quote]
Excuse me, have you both not be up and in arms, because I think that the fact that the US is not intentionally killing civilians is not so important if Americas military actions lead to hundreds of thousands dying preventable deaths.
Or are the rules for our opponents different?
Sounds like moral relativism to me.