Charles Lindbergh - Sept 11, 1941

Deja Vu.

Des Moines Speech: September 11, 1941

"It is now two years since this latest European war began. From that day in September, 1939, until the present moment, there has been an over-increasing effort to force the United States into the conflict.

That effort has been carried on by foreign interests, and by a small minority of our own people; but it has been so successful that, today, our country stands on the verge of war.

At this time, as the war is about to enter its third winter, it seems appropriate to review the circumstances that have led us to our present position. Why are we on the verge of war? Was it necessary for us to become so deeply involved? Who is responsible for changing our national policy from one of neutrality and independence to one of entanglement in European affairs?

Personally, I believe there is no better argument against our intervention than a study of the causes and developments of the present war. I have often said that if the true facts and issues were placed before the American people, there would be no danger of our involvement.

Here, I would like to point out to you a fundamental difference between the groups who advocate foreign war, and those who believe in an independent destiny for America.

If you will look back over the record, you will find that those of us who oppose intervention have constantly tried to clarify facts and issues; while the interventionists have tried to hide facts and confuse issues.

We ask you to read what we said last month, last year, and even before the war began. Our record is open and clear, and we are proud of it.

We have not led you on by subterfuge and propaganda. We have not resorted to steps short of anything, in order to take the American people where they did not want to go…

The subterfuge and propaganda that exists in our country is obvious on every side. Tonight, I shall try to pierce through a portion of it, to the naked facts which lie beneath…

National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our population favored a similar course for America. But there were various groups of people, here and abroad, whose interests and beliefs necessitated the involvement of the United States in the war. I shall point out some of these groups tonight, and outline their methods of procedure. In doing this, I must speak with the utmost frankness, for in order to counteract their efforts, we must know exactly who they are.

The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt administration.

Behind these groups, but of lesser importance, are a number of capitalists, Anglophiles, and intellectuals who believe that the future of mankind depends upon the domination of the British empire. Add to these the Communistic groups who were opposed to intervention until a few weeks ago, and I believe I have named the major war agitators in this country.

I am speaking here only of war agitators, not of those sincere but misguided men and women who, confused by misinformation and frightened by propaganda, follow the lead of the war agitators.

As I have said, these war agitators comprise only a small minority of our people; but they control a tremendous influence. Against the determination of the American people to stay out of war, they have marshaled the power of their propaganda, their money, their patronage.

Let us consider these groups, one at a time.

First, the British: It is obvious and perfectly understandable that Great Britain wants the United States in the war on her side. England is now in a desperate position. Her population is not large enough and her armies are not strong enough to invade the continent of Europe and win the war she declared against Germany.

Her geographical position is such that she cannot win the war by the use of aviation alone, regardless of how many planes we send her. Even if America entered the war, it is improbable that the Allied armies could invade Europe and overwhelm the Axis powers. But one thing is certain. If England can draw this country into the war, she can shift to our shoulders a large portion of the responsibility for waging it and for paying its cost.

As you all know, we were left with the debts of the last European war; and unless we are more cautious in the future than we have been in the past, we will be left with the debts of the present case. If it were not for her hope that she can make us responsible for the war financially, as well as militarily, I believe England would have negotiated a peace in Europe many months ago, and be better off for doing so.

England has devoted, and will continue to devote every effort to get us into the war. We know that she spent huge sums of money in this country during the last war in order to involve us. Englishmen have written books about the cleverness of its use.

We know that England is spending great sums of money for propaganda in America during the present war. If we were Englishmen, we would do the same. But our interest is first in America; and as Americans, it is essential for us to realize the effort that British interests are making to draw us into their war.

The second major group I mentioned is the Jewish.

It is not difficult to understand why Jewish people desire the overthrow of Nazi Germany. The persecution they suffered in Germany would be sufficient to make bitter enemies of any race.

No person with a sense of the dignity of mankind can condone the persecution of the Jewish race in Germany. But no person of honesty and vision can look on their pro-war policy here today without seeing the dangers involved in such a policy both for us and for them. Instead of agitating for war, the Jewish groups in this country should be opposing it in every possible way for they will be among the first to feel its consequences.

Tolerance is a virtue that depends upon peace and strength. History shows that it cannot survive war and devastations. A few far-sighted Jewish people realize this and stand opposed to intervention. But the majority still do not. Their greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government.

I am not attacking either the Jewish or the British people. Both races, I admire. But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war.

We cannot blame them for looking out for what they believe to be their own interests, but we also must look out for ours. We cannot allow the natural passions and prejudices of other peoples to lead our country to destruction.

The Roosevelt administration is the third powerful group which has been carrying this country toward war. Its members have used the war emergency to obtain a third presidential term for the first time in American history. They have used the war to add unlimited billions to a debt which was already the highest we have ever known. And they have just used the war to justify the restriction of congressional power, and the assumption of dictatorial procedures on the part of the president and his appointees.

The power of the Roosevelt administration depends upon the maintenance of a wartime emergency. The prestige of the Roosevelt administration depends upon the success of Great Britain to whom the president attached his political future at a time when most people thought that England and France would easily win the war. The danger of the Roosevelt administration lies in its subterfuge. While its members have promised us peace, they have led us to war heedless of the platform upon which they were elected.

In selecting these three groups as the major agitators for war, I have included only those whose support is essential to the war party. If any one of these groups – the British, the Jewish, or the administration – stops agitating for war, I believe there will be little danger of our involvement…

They planned: first, to prepare the United States for foreign war under the guise of American defense; second, to involve us in the war, step by step, without our realization; third, to create a series of incidents which would force us into the actual conflict. These plans were of course, to be covered and assisted by the full power of their propaganda.

Our theaters soon became filled with plays portraying the glory of war. Newsreels lost all semblance of objectivity. Newspapers and magazines began to lose advertising if they carried anti-war articles. A smear campaign was instituted against individuals who opposed intervention. The terms “fifth columnist,” “traitor,” “Nazi,” “anti-Semitic” were thrown ceaselessly at any one who dared to suggest that it was not to the best interests of the United States to enter the war. Men lost their jobs if they were frankly anti-war. Many others dared no longer speak.

Before long, lecture halls that were open to the advocates of war were closed to speakers who opposed it. A fear campaign was inaugurated. We were told that aviation, which has held the British fleet off the continent of Europe, made America more vulnerable than ever before to invasion. Propaganda was in full swing.

There was no difficulty in obtaining billions of dollars for arms under the guise of defending America. Our people stood united on a program of defense. Congress passed appropriation after appropriation for guns and planes and battleships, with the approval of the overwhelming majority of our citizens. That a large portion of these appropriations was to be used to build arms for Europe, we did not learn until later…

Ever since its inception, our arms program has been laid out for the purpose of carrying on the war in Europe, far more than for the purpose of building an adequate defense for America.

Now at the same time we were being prepared for a foreign war, it was necessary, as I have said, to involve us in the war. This was accomplished under that now famous phrase “steps short of war.”…

The war groups have succeeded in the first two of their three major steps into war. The greatest armament program in our history is under way.

We have become involved in the war from practically every standpoint except actual shooting. Only the creation of sufficient “incidents” yet remains; and you see the first of these already taking place, according to plan [ill.] – a plan that was never laid before the American people for their approval.

Men and women of Iowa; only one thing holds this country from war today. That is the rising opposition of the American people. Our system of democracy and representative government is on test today as it has never been before. We are on the verge of a war in which the only victor would be chaos and prostration. We are on the verge of a war for which we are still unprepared, and for which no one has offered a feasible plan for victory – a war which cannot be won without sending our soldiers across the ocean to force a landing on a hostile coast against armies stronger than our own.

We are on the verge of war, but it is not yet too late to stay out. It is not too late to show that no amount of money, or propaganda, or patronage can force a free and independent people into war against its will. It is not yet too late to retrieve and to maintain the independent American destiny that our forefathers established in this new world.

The entire future rests upon our shoulders. It depends upon our action, our courage, and our intelligence. If you oppose our intervention in the war, now is the time to make your voice heard…

There, we can still make our will known. And if we, the American people, do that, independence and freedom will continue to live among us, and there will be no foreign war.

No doubt about it then. America should have kept it’s nose out of WW2, just think what a better place the world would be today!

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
No doubt about it then. America should have kept it’s nose out of WW2, just think what a better place the world would be today![/quote]

The point is, some people saw the set-up and the events being “created” to rally public support for a war.

“Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship… Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
–Hermann Goering

Are you going to be happy when we’re in another full scale world war because Iran said some “words” and MIGHT be a threat at SOME POINT in the FUTURE?

Lindbergh is obviously an anti-semite! LOL

Amazing stuff.

65+ years later and that same group (hint: not the English) are trying to get us to attack Iran by using the same techniques.

Wake up people.

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
No doubt about it then. America should have kept it’s nose out of WW2, just think what a better place the world would be today![/quote]

Exactly. That way Hitler could have finished the Final Solution and made JustTheFacts a happy man.

Lindbergh eventually regretted his opposition to the war and his support of the fascists.

Good post, JTF! But…we were attacked. We cut off oil and supplies to the Japanese because of what they were doing to the Chinese, so they attacked us.

Lots of people tried to ignore or get along with the Nazis and most of them died, often horrible deaths. In the end, we HAD to fight.

War is evil and stupid, always a last resort. If the dude in Iran keeps saying he wants to nuke us, should we ignore him?

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:

Are you going to be happy when we’re in another full scale world war because Iran said some “words” and MIGHT be a threat at SOME POINT in the FUTURE?[/quote]

“Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, international Jewry.”
-Adolf Hitler, 1945

Are those the kinds of WORDS that led to the Americans immoral participation in WW2? Are you going to be happy when the Muslims have pried themselves out from underneath the oppressive thumb of international Jewry, and are aiming their wrath at some other group of infidels?

[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Lindbergh is obviously an anti-semite! LOL

Amazing stuff.

65+ years later and that same group (hint: not the English) are trying to get us to attack Iran by using the same techniques.

Wake up people.

[/quote]

He was a well known anti-semite.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Cunnivore wrote:
No doubt about it then. America should have kept it’s nose out of WW2, just think what a better place the world would be today!

Exactly. That way Hitler could have finished the Final Solution and made JustTheFacts a happy man.
[/quote]

Come to think of it, it did make some people happy…

A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People
by the Rt. Hon. Winston Churchill
Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920

…It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical…

A Home for the Jews.

Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism, it presents to the Jew a national idea of a commanding character. It has fallen to the British Government, as the result of the conquest of Palestine, to have the opportunity and the responsibility of securing for the Jewish race all over the world a home and a centre of national life. The statesmanship and historic sense of Mr. Balfour were prompt to seize this opportunity. Declarations have been made which have irrevocably decided the policy of Great Britain. The fiery energies of Dr. Weissman, the leader, for practical purposes, of the Zionist project, backed by many of the most prominent British Jews, and supported by the full authority of Lord Allenby, are all directed to achieving the success of this inspiring movement.

Of course, Palestine is far too small to accomodate more than a fraction of the Jewish race, nor do the majority of national Jews wish to go there. But if, as may well happen, there should be created in our lifetime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire…
http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zionchurch.html

Just one of those “convenient” tragedies I guess…

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
“Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, international Jewry.”
-Adolf Hitler, 1945

Are those the kinds of WORDS that led to the Americans immoral participation in WW2? Are you going to be happy when the Muslims have pried themselves out from underneath the oppressive thumb of international Jewry, and are aiming their wrath at some other group of infidels?[/quote]

The monied class ALWAYS start and profit from wars – Muslims are not the problem, just the excuse.

Someone has to profit from wars or they wouldn’t occur. What better way to get rich than have a country mortgage its future to build up its military?

The only question is: if the world collapses into chaos, what prevents the leadership, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, from being wiped out too? I realize that their likelihood of survival is a lot higher than mine, but in a very chaotic world, some bunch of starving, unemployeds might go ‘hunting’.

Just out of curiosity, Jtf, how many do you understand to have died during the holocaust?

JTF-
Do you know any jewish people first hand?

They don’t have horns in case you were wondering

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Cunnivore wrote:
No doubt about it then. America should have kept it’s nose out of WW2, just think what a better place the world would be today!

Exactly. That way Hitler could have finished the Final Solution and made JustTheFacts a happy man.

Lindbergh eventually regretted his opposition to the war and his support of the fascists.[/quote]

Maybe if the US had kept out of WWI there would have been no Hitler?

It is one intervention that makes the next necessary and the next and the next…

Sounds familiar?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Someone has to profit from wars or they wouldn’t occur. What better way to get rich than have a country mortgage its future to build up its military?

The only question is: if the world collapses into chaos, what prevents the leadership, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, from being wiped out too? I realize that their likelihood of survival is a lot higher than mine, but in a very chaotic world, some bunch of starving, unemployeds might go ‘hunting’.[/quote]

It’s unnerving reading the words of past Presidents:

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
–U.S. President Woodrow Wilson

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the U.S. government since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
–U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt

“You are a den of vipers! I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.”
–U.S. President Andrew Jackson

1833 Democratic cartoon shows Jackson destroying the devil’s Bank

Oddly enough:
On January 30, 1835 an unsuccessful attack occurred in the United States Capitol Building; it was the first assassination attempt made against an American President.

[quote]orion wrote:
Maybe if the US had kept out of WWI there would have been no Hitler?

It is one intervention that makes the next necessary and the next and the next…

Sounds familiar?
[/quote]

Interesting excerpt from “War is a Racket” by Major General Smedley…

[i]"Had secrecy been outlawed as far as war negotiations were concerned, and had the press been invited to be present at that conference, or had radio been available to broadcast the proceedings, America never would have entered the World War. But this conference, like all war discussions, was shrouded in utmost secrecy. When our boys were sent off to war they were told it was a “war to make the world safe for democracy” and a “war to end all wars.”

Well, eighteen years after, the world has less of democracy than it had then. Besides, what business is it of ours whether Russia or Germany or England or France or Italy or Austria live under democracies or monarchies? Whether they are Fascists or Communists? Our problem is to preserve our own democracy.

And very little, if anything, has been accomplished to assure us that the World War was really the war to end all wars."[/i]
– “War is a Racket” by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935