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[quote]colton wrote:
Chuck24 wrote:
If you take into account male and female reproductive organs you can expand your thinking on evolution vs. creationism.
If evolution is the evolving of an orgap to a better organism as additions such as ears,eyes,fingernails,reproductive organs, etc. would develop basically into what we are today.

All this basically formed over time basically from nothing. Ok…If we evolved and got different features over long periods of time how did evolution know what ingrediants it would take for humans to reproduce?

Your not talking about 1 miracle now as in the evolving of 1 human but your talking now about an evolving 2nd type of human as in the female. Are you saying something intelligent that created itself knew how to do this and figured out male and female reproductive parts before everything became extinct?

Your not just talking about humans but the whole animal kingdom have VERY similar looking reproductive parts. Evolution seems to have figured all this out and said to itself “ok we got reproductive figured out now lets make this happen with all similar looking parts for the whole animal kingdom”.

Evolution could have done reproduction many ways but it happens almost all the same in every animal. Thats a very smart evolution. It figured out males and females and what it took to reproduce. Thats just the start of everything complicated thats left to discuss. I dont buy evolution whatsoever as everything its about agreed with itself and evolved all animals with the same looking and the same acting reproductive parts.

I believe we were created by an eternal creator who resides outside of time who got it right the first time. I dont believe Life came from no life, Intelligence came from non-intelligence, cause came from no cause and meaning came from no meaning.

so basically you dont believe in evolution because i have a penis??? wtf seriosuly worst argument ever, not to mention the fact that there are a variety of ways reproduction occurs if we take into acount organisms other than humans.
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Are you serious? Because you have a penis? I didnt say that. I also understand there are a variety of ways of reproduction but in order to reproduce something needs to figure out what both mates need for reproduction to happen.

Do you think “nothing” is that smart to figure that out? So the first organism comes from nothing, it needs to reproduce to keep its kind in existance. Do you think it knows that and thinks "i better get moving on creating my kind? HAHA.

Is it really that smart to produce another organism and make it a female counterpart? Its a miracle its even alive because before it WAS nothing and non-existant.

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[quote]mbm693 wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
Where is the evidence for God???

Romans 1:20

Circular much?[/quote]

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
mbm693 wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
Where is the evidence for God???

Romans 1:20

Huh???

Look it up

So, according this verse, anyone that doesn’t/didn’t believe in god, is condemned to hell, even if they had never been exposed to a monotheistic religion? Native Americans? Cave Men? Vikings? ect…

Never being exposed to a religion has nothing to do with it, if you read the verse. Creation alone is proof of God. That is what I was getting at.

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So your Bestseller fictional novel from the yesteryear is your proof but you dont believe in Darwins theory… I have read comics and they say lots of things. Now someone with limited mental capacity could read a comic and take it as truth, does that mean its true??? ofcourse not…

Your argument isnt very good man.

If i have a kid and tell him that there is a magical teapot hidden in the rings of saturn, and there is an old book that says that this teapot exists, and there is a place where he goes on the weekends to learn about this teapot. Dont you think he might just grow up thinking that there is a teapot hidden in the rings of saturn???

Im sry my friend but you have been brainwashed since an early age by your parents, teachers, neighbors and everyone around you. It is normal that you think this way.

Doesnt mean that its true.

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[quote]CCJDilla wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
Where is the evidence for God???

Romans 1:20

Huh???

Look it up

that is evidence to god???

Hahahahahahahaha your citing a passage from the bible as evidence. LOL

Your useless!

Poor little sheep… Bheeeeee

It appears that you are so closed minded into thinking that your so open minded, that you do not regard religion as a viable part of creation…

Because it is unknown to know how existence came into existence, you honestly regard your opinion as superior because Religion approaches the creation of life in a different manner???

I am not Christian, in fact, I believe in Evolution, but, to see someone so close minded like that, seriously needs a slap in the right direction, by a person who is of importance in his life, not us. Nothing we can do will be epiphal for him.
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I believe in things that are are explained to me and sound logical, not in things that i have to believe “just because”. His arguments have no foundation, “Because it says it in the bible”

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lokidj, I certainly hope your not in college, but, rather in highschool like me, it’s kind of sad how you refute all opinions simply because you believe that your own is correct.

The mindset you exemplified is ignorant, and, I’m sure many resent your close minded attitude.

You have limited your logic to what is only logical to your perspective. Logic and reasoning has an infinite amount of scopes, Science is only limited to the applicable knowledge it has for what is “logical” in it’s sense.

Hopefully, my brief explanation of UNDERSTANDING will aid you.

I cannot stress it enough, please be open minded and try to understand why others believe whatever they believe.

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
Chuck24 wrote:
Evolution could have done reproduction many ways but it happens almost all the same in every animal. Thats a very smart evolution. It figured out males and females and what it took to reproduce.

Thats just the start of everything complicated thats left to discuss. I dont buy evolution whatsoever as everything its about agreed with itself and evolved all animals with the same looking and the same acting reproductive parts.

This was an amusing post, but again it shows ignorance about evolution. The fact that so many different species have similar reproductive organs, as well as many other similar organs, is a fact that tends to prove evolution, not refute it. Organs evolve in order to adapt to changing conditions.

If a particular organ works well, then there is no need to replace it with something better. Evolution is based on the idea “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.” [/quote]

Amusing post as if you think your a genius. You know all. You think evolution is smart and can do all this stuff? Your post is amusing as well. Please enlighten me as to what was the first living thing that came about? Organs evolve in order to adapt? What did the first whatever have as a reproductive organ? Hell, it wasnt even reproduced. HAHA

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[quote]lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
mbm693 wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
Where is the evidence for God???

Romans 1:20

Huh???

Look it up

So, according this verse, anyone that doesn’t/didn’t believe in god, is condemned to hell, even if they had never been exposed to a monotheistic religion? Native Americans? Cave Men? Vikings? ect…

Never being exposed to a religion has nothing to do with it, if you read the verse. Creation alone is proof of God. That is what I was getting at.

So your Bestseller fictional novel from the yesteryear is your proof but you dont believe in Darwins theory… I have read comics and they say lots of things. Now someone with limited mental capacity could read a comic and take it as truth, does that mean its true??? ofcourse not…

Your argument isnt very good man.

If i have a kid and tell him that there is a magical teapot hidden in the rings of saturn, and there is an old book that says that this teapot exists, and there is a place where he goes on the weekends to learn about this teapot. Dont you think he might just grow up thinking that there is a teapot hidden in the rings of saturn???

Im sry my friend but you have been brainwashed since an early age by your parents, teachers, neighbors and everyone around you. It is normal that you think this way.

Doesnt mean that its true.

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The way I see it …

If I go through life believing in God, die, and find out there is no God, I have lost nothing. But if I go through life not believing in God, die, and find out there is a God … I’ve lost everything.

You’re entitled to your opinion bro, I’m not trying to force my views on anyone. I’m completely content with what I believe.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
mbm693 wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
Where is the evidence for God???

Romans 1:20

Huh???

Look it up

So, according this verse, anyone that doesn’t/didn’t believe in god, is condemned to hell, even if they had never been exposed to a monotheistic religion? Native Americans? Cave Men? Vikings? ect…

Never being exposed to a religion has nothing to do with it, if you read the verse. Creation alone is proof of God. That is what I was getting at.

So your Bestseller fictional novel from the yesteryear is your proof but you dont believe in Darwins theory… I have read comics and they say lots of things. Now someone with limited mental capacity could read a comic and take it as truth, does that mean its true??? ofcourse not…

Your argument isnt very good man.

If i have a kid and tell him that there is a magical teapot hidden in the rings of saturn, and there is an old book that says that this teapot exists, and there is a place where he goes on the weekends to learn about this teapot. Dont you think he might just grow up thinking that there is a teapot hidden in the rings of saturn???

Im sry my friend but you have been brainwashed since an early age by your parents, teachers, neighbors and everyone around you. It is normal that you think this way.

Doesnt mean that its true.

The way I see it …

If I go through life believing in God, die, and find out there is no God, I have lost nothing. But if I go through life not believing in God, die, and find out there is a God … I’ve lost everything.

You’re entitled to your opinion bro, I’m not trying to force my views on anyone. I’m completely content with what I believe.[/quote]

Agreed

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[quote]trav123456 wrote:
We should create a small country of weightlifters. We will worship all things iron, praying daily with barbells and clanging plates. Crimes will be punished with a long steady state cardio and being restricted to pink dumbells. Curls in the squat rack will be punishable by death.[/quote]

I am going to cast the first stone here (at least I haven’t seen it anywhere else) regarding curls in the squat rack…

Has anyone else seen Thib’s new arm workout video? It’s like a half hour of curls and triceps extensions in the squat rack!

Now if CT (could be compared to a “bishop” here in the “religion” of T-Nation) can set aside his HATE, DISDAIN, SHAME and FEAR (trav suggested death to those that curl in squat racks) by publicly displaying himself committing CRIME of squat rack curling, so that we, the “flock” can benefit from his sacrifice and the inevitable scorn and derision likely to ensue… in the interest of MUSCLE…

Then surely we, evolutionists and creationists alike, can put aside our hate, disdain, shame and fear… and meet together in a world where ALL people are loved, all religions are respected, where science is respected for what it is and how it can help humanity and we can all roll around in fields of gumdrops with puppy dogs licking our ears wearing fanny-packs filled with rainbow dicks… <<>>

Wait a minute! We can’t do that! Even if we were to “separate” the Christians would invade us in the name of GOD! Let’s guarantee everyone a spot in heaven, by going and killing a bunch of non-believers! (that’s not so different from another damn religion that guarantees 77 virgins if you blow yourself up in the name of allah) This whole concept of religion is for the weak of mind, IMHO. I read constant examples of this IGNORANCE and mental LAZINESS all the time and it came to a head in this thread.

I don’t care if you are mentally WEAK and choose to believe a fairy tale that was written and translated and rewritten and changed to suit King James and translated again… as fact. But keep it out of the schools that I pay for, and keep it out of the policies that were enacted that put us 8 years behind in stem cell research (you know, applied science that can help humanity?) and don’t call other countries EVIL and support a WAR against them because they are different, and that makes you afraid!

Or I’m gonna go to YOUR gym and curl in YOUR squat rack! In the name of MUSCLE, AMEN

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
If I go through life believing in God, die, and find out there is no God, I have lost nothing. But if I go through life not believing in God, die, and find out there is a God … I’ve lost everything.[/quote]

Pretty bad reason to believe if you ask me.

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It is completely possible that something divine created life. However, the question, “Who or what created life/the universe?”, is beyond the possibilities of human experience. Isn’t it arrogant and completely ridiculous for a person to claim to know the answer?

Evolution is a scientific theory based on a plethora of evidence. Is it possible that God made lifeforms able to genetically adapt to their environment over a course of millions of years? Absolutely, and science has never intended to refute that.

However, it is impossible to qualify what God is. You cannot tell me that the bible is true just because you say so.

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
You cannot tell me that the bible is true just because you say so.[/quote]

My opinion has no bearing on what is truth or what isn’t.

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Maybe Enoch was god, or he went and visited god came back and designed our world.

None the less hopefully this sparks something.

Awhile back someone posted something about whales evolving from wolves.HaHa funny sarcasm.There actually is existince of four legged whales, there called four legged whales.look it up.

Evolution is solid.As far as God, I dont beleive in this god the bible speaks of.Maybe there is a creator but it isnt like the one christians catholics and haji’s pray too.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

Pretty bad reason to believe if you ask me.[/quote]

I wasn’t asking you. And as if that’s the sole reason for my beliefs.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
You cannot tell me that the bible is true just because you say so.

My opinion has no bearing on what is truth or what isn’t.
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I was not talking about you specifically.

It is just irritating when religious people shit all over science, when the only ‘evidence’ they use is the word of the bible. No human being knows what God is/looks like.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Then surely we, evolutionists and creationists alike, can put aside our hate, disdain, shame and fear… and meet together in a world where ALL people are loved, all religions are respected, where science is respected for what it is and how it can help humanity and we can all roll around in fields of gumdrops with puppy dogs licking our ears wearing fanny-packs filled with rainbow dicks… <<>>

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Pure gold. Where do I sign up for that fanny pack?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Has anyone else seen Thib’s new arm workout video? It’s like a half hour of curls and triceps extensions in the squat rack!

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He’s just lucky he doesen’t live in travoria, such heretics would be made an example of. lol

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[quote]Chuck24 wrote:
MikeTheBear wrote:
Chuck24 wrote:
Evolution could have done reproduction many ways but it happens almost all the same in every animal. Thats a very smart evolution. It figured out males and females and what it took to reproduce. Thats just the start of everything complicated thats left to discuss. I dont buy evolution whatsoever as everything its about agreed with itself and evolved all animals with the same looking and the same acting reproductive parts.

This was an amusing post, but again it shows ignorance about evolution. The fact that so many different species have similar reproductive organs, as well as many other similar organs, is a fact that tends to prove evolution, not refute it. Organs evolve in order to adapt to changing conditions. If a particular organ works well, then there is no need to replace it with something better. Evolution is based on the idea “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.”

Amusing post as if you think your a genius. You know all. You think evolution is smart and can do all this stuff? Your post is amusing as well. Please enlighten me as to what was the first living thing that came about? Organs evolve in order to adapt? What did the first whatever have as a reproductive organ? Hell, it wasnt even reproduced. HAHA

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I’ll explain this again. Evolution just explains how the different species came about and does not try to explain how life started. That is a separate branch of science. Early organisms were likely single-celled organisms like bacteria. They reproduced by splitting off an exact copy of themselves.

BTW - Just because science can’t explain something doesn’t prove that a supreme being exists. It just means that science hasn’t found an explanation, no more, no less. Is it a reason to have faith in a divine being? Sure. The fact that science can’t explain everything leads me to think that there is some all-powerful force in the universe. But, unlike most religions, I don’t believe that this force intervenes in our lives or had a son who died on a cross. And I also recognize that this is a belief - it can’t be proven and it’s not a scientific explanation for what goes on in the universe.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
mbm693 wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
lokidj wrote:
Where is the evidence for God???

Romans 1:20

Huh???

Look it up

So, according this verse, anyone that doesn’t/didn’t believe in god, is condemned to hell, even if they had never been exposed to a monotheistic religion? Native Americans? Cave Men? Vikings? ect…

Never being exposed to a religion has nothing to do with it, if you read the verse. Creation alone is proof of God. That is what I was getting at.

So your Bestseller fictional novel from the yesteryear is your proof but you dont believe in Darwins theory… I have read comics and they say lots of things. Now someone with limited mental capacity could read a comic and take it as truth, does that mean its true??? ofcourse not…

Your argument isnt very good man.

If i have a kid and tell him that there is a magical teapot hidden in the rings of saturn, and there is an old book that says that this teapot exists, and there is a place where he goes on the weekends to learn about this teapot. Dont you think he might just grow up thinking that there is a teapot hidden in the rings of saturn???

Im sry my friend but you have been brainwashed since an early age by your parents, teachers, neighbors and everyone around you. It is normal that you think this way.

Doesnt mean that its true.

The way I see it …

If I go through life believing in God, die, and find out there is no God, I have lost nothing. But if I go through life not believing in God, die, and find out there is a God … I’ve lost everything.

You’re entitled to your opinion bro, I’m not trying to force my views on anyone. I’m completely content with what I believe.[/quote]

Well then you believe, “just in case” thats fine. You can believe what ever you want to believe, has nothing to do with me.

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[quote]Doc L wrote:
angry chicken wrote:

Then surely we, evolutionists and creationists alike, can put aside our hate, disdain, shame and fear… and meet together in a world where ALL people are loved, all religions are respected, where science is respected for what it is and how it can help humanity and we can all roll around in fields of gumdrops with puppy dogs licking our ears wearing fanny-packs filled with rainbow dicks… <<>>

Pure gold. Where do I sign up for that fanny pack?[/quote]

I’ll be handing out fanny packs filled with rainbow dicks outside of Church tomorrow. Swing by and pick one up!

EDIT: I should make that a Catholic Church - I hear they like dicks, especially YOUNG dicks